Cork GAA Discussion Thread

I was shocked to see Cork abysmal and lethargic performamance yesterday as they were cleaned out. Knew Cork were gone after 55 mins as they couldn't close it in.

I recalled back then that John Cleary applied for that job given his u21 track record but i was puzzled that CCB rejected him and plumped for Cuthbert.

Was it that of dual players that CCB wanted to protect Cork hurling ??? Never heard of Cuthbert until he was appointed to that job as i sort of vaguely heard of his name re his role in Cork young developmemt squads/ planning etc.

Why did CCB pick him instead of Cleary?

Missed Brolly, what did he say about Cork performance?

Deaf student wrote: »

I was shocked to see Cork abysmal and lethargic performamance yesterday as they were cleaned out. Knew Cork were gone after 55 mins as they couldn't close it in.

I recalled back then that John Cleary applied for that job given his u21 track record but i was puzzled that CCB rejected him and plumped for Cuthbert.

Was it that of dual players that CCB wanted to protect Cork hurling ??? Never heard of Cuthbert until he was appointed to that job as i sort of vaguely heard of his name re his role in Cork young developmemt squads/ planning etc.

Why did CCB pick him instead of Cleary?

Missed Brolly, what did he say about Cork performance?

Cuthbhertt was part development squads and is excellent administration and planning be fair and said it before should been in that but coaching not strongest point
Dualism was a factor but also cuthbhertt groomed job in after minor selector couninhan

Deaf student wrote: »

Missed Brolly, what did he say about Cork performance?

It was in sky so no Brolly.

The jist of what the panel said was that Cork lacked leaders on the pitch, looked lethargic and didn't track the runners or make much running themselves.

Kildare were just more clinical with their finishing

Gary I genuinely love your enthusiasm and energy you bring and your passionate cork man but seriously trying say this nicest possible way your post is miles off logic cork would won if no black card and o connor and would won well
Some optimism there

Everyone agree whether they blame different things one thing all agree on is Cork deserved loose so your excuses aren't justified imo

Last week you said it rained and affected game plan
Not drop rain tonight no excuse
Whether cork win more possession wouldn't mattered because two half forwards can run all day long can't kick fast ball or create and problem is Cork no supply

Your way off loughrey best defender
He's not out best man marker never was and burned by defender and don't blame him i blame management picking him there
He is outstanding half back though


If dorman goal went in, if cork beat kerry ist day, if didn't rain, if and buts let's control controllable

Again I ask you why has blanket defence conceded huge score again in every league challenge championship game this year?
Why can't cork score play lot? Why do cork do long spell out scoring like waterford McGrath cup and tippeary, tippeary last year kerry this year twice and last Dublin twice and mayo?
Why gould brought on had poor game deane not played
Why did outstanding Brian o Driscoll get played corner back
Kevin outstanding three games why played out position centre forward
Why did cork make no change bar enforced one up half time
Why didn't Brian start
Why didn't dorman stay on
Why doesn't donnacha play at eleven in the pocket like sheehan and sullivan for kerry

There the question you should ask as to be fair all these problems have been all year


Not if and but we would won well bar black card
No we wouldn't in Kildare better like said half time Cork had changed things win
They didn't
Kevin o Driscoll like Hayes sending off last year are not dirty players at all but frustration shows in them with ill discipline sending off
Cork deserved to loose unfortunately it sad me to say
Why do cork fold under pressure
Imo no belief in the system
Even allowing for qualifier there's no excuse loose by that much to a division three team
Cork had enough of a panel to win this game

keeponhurling wrote: »

It was in sky so no Brolly.

The jist of what the panel said was that Cork lacked leaders on the pitch, looked lethargic and didn't track the runners or make much running themselves.

Kildare were just more clinical with their finishing[/Q

Thanks a mil.:)

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Same reasons cunningjham never got hurling job and Denis Walsh writer gave podcast news talk saying Cork politics
Same other got other jobs no record and better qualified didn't
Cuthbhertt has should be involved cork gaa we need people like him but not coaching
It's in words horses for courses
Good administration not coaching imo

Thanks a mil.

D Walsh's case reminded me so much of CCB's politics which i detested it so much. It had made Cork hurling a huge laughing stock, that said it really showed their hand that they (CCB) have no real interest in chasing trophies or lack of their winning mentality.

Stoner wrote: »

I wouldn't think they are to be honest. I fancied Kildare because of a number of factors none of them were to to with the squad as both seem to have other options outside of their current squads. It was mainly for physiological and motivation reasons..

I don't think Cork had much to gain from a win in this game.

Kildare have already been beaten by Dublin and could have gone into a game against Dublin (other results aside) only needing to do better than last time to have shown progress.

You could argue Kildare had nothing to lose.

Cork were there for the taking, it was a huge scalp for them and fair play.
I think down the line some will say it was a false dawn for them as cork were so poor, but it was their win. I'm delighted for Kildare and it has brightened the championship and its good for Leinster football. They have some great posters in their forum.

From a Cork perspective I don't think it's that damming. They appeared like a team low on confidence going into this game, it was always a banana skin game for Cork. If they won they'd have beaten a division 2/3 team hammered by Dublin. If they lost they would remain in a bad place.

Cork needed something refreshing last year and now too imho.

Cork were playing a team from a footballing county that could make their season by winning. Yet Corks potential reward for victory was significantly less.

Fair play to Kildare, but Cork have great players all you need is a manager, much better than the other way around. I think this game was won in the Kildare players minds and lost in the Cork players minds. Second day in a row when there was no decent ball inside. The right management team wound address lots of what we saw from cork over the past couple of games imho.

You read the situation perfectly.

It was going to take an exceptional effort for Cork to get their heads right after all the energy and effort expended in Killarney. A week was unlikely to enough in normal circumstances, a fact already acknowleded but was never enough in these exceptional circumstances. I regarded it as a 50/50 game at best but deep down, I was desperately worried.

Whilst it's early to judge the season - it seems unlikely that the current management has the tactical nous so necessary for success in the modern game.

Gary Neville wrote: »

You read the situation perfectly.

It was going to take an exceptional effort for Cork to get their heads right after all the energy and effort expended in Killarney. A week was unlikely to enough in normal circumstances, a fact already acknowleded but was never enough in these exceptional circumstances. I regarded it as a 50/50 game at best but deep down, I was desperately worried.

Whilst it's early to judge the season - it seems unlikely that the current management has the tactical nous so necessary for success in the modern game.

Ah lad seriously

You said not to judge after kerry
You said not to judge after drawn game
Not judge after tonight
When do you want to judge
You do realise this early exit means we can train in November again and were now in august nearly
To simply put it that's three month

Cork have to review this in next week or two and put new management in place as they want own selector and takes time
If cork get right team this can be turned around cork being competitive quickly
Unfortunately we lost ground kerry last two years playing catch-up their

Gary Neville wrote: »

You read the situation perfectly.

It was going to take an exceptional effort for Cork to get their heads right after all the energy and effort expended in Killarney. A week was unlikely to enough in normal circumstances, a fact already acknowleded but was never enough in these exceptional circumstances. I regarded it as a 50/50 game at best but deep down, I was desperately worried.

Whilst it's early to judge the season - it seems unlikely that the current management has the tactical nous so necessary for success in the modern game.

Where do you now stands current situation
Has this year been successful or not
Try not to deviate if and buts keep it simple
Would you give management new term
Who would you get in

Would yourself accept defence was poor all year and today another example and attack from play never function way it can? Would you agree cork play individual rather than a team to

Aya Little Tail wrote: »

TTM, just curious as you seem to be a knowledgable GAA man.. What do you think the footballers were capable of over the past 10 or so years if they played to their full potential? I think it's beyond doubt that with the players we've had we've underachieved. With better coaching and management do you think Cork would have won more than the one All-Ireland we made very hard work of in 2010?

I know this may seem like a pointless question but as a not-so-knowledgeable GAA man I always like hearing the opinion of those who know more.

If this team panel players were got two years ago cork with proper coaching would be top four at least and would won munster
With good management we can be better but huge worry is we lost huge ground to kerry and when we were could been ahead them before loosing two years given some their players edge over cork something hasn't under twenty one and taken edge cork players



I posted article by o rourke two days ago
It proves you must have record management
Players need something belief in
This set up could worked day one if appointment of proven selection team but Davis and sexton and sullivan wonderful football men but huge ask expect them learn against expirence in Horan o Neill gavin Buckley mcguimness fitzmaurice
Ryan solid manager nothing great but way more expirenced than Cork and out thought cork



Yes cork were bit tired
Yes kerry took bit out them
Fair point but no no simply no excuse for play half back Driscoll corner deane getting no game over gould o rourke not starting hurley being dropped etc
Soon cork team named we were never going be great in that team had no balance


Do we blame players
I don't as driscoll isn't corner back
Barry isn't half back
Dorman good but defence too attack minded and confidence shot being dropped too many times
Look him under Morgan ucc great player
Cronin isn't half back but corner
Gould tried hard but too many times proved not best cork have
Kerrigan runner and only work if you have other players kick
Two o Driscoll game lads not creative
Kevin should been half back not half forward
Donnacha boxes in corner which wrong
Colm o Neill get little ball


You see when you break down overall hard blame players as this team lacked balance
It's not be being wise after in i said this many times about team
Brian Driscoll should be ten Kevin seven
Some coaching aspects here basic are poor kicking spatial awareness game management subs etc team selection and unfortunately that's management job


Sullivan sexton etc may had future coaching but ran before walked and could set them coaching wise back now
Cuthbhertt should get administration role new stadium as he has strength and Cork need new coaching set up


Hurling key key game now
Like limerick hurling defeat though real real question like how Ryan got three year term should be asked how management got job and hard questions should be asked board and made sure cork never ever again make hurling football appointment with no proven record
Management appointment are not hard in truth you just look at the football records
It really that simple
Most times I'm rarely wrong judge any management any county in there's no great skill to it just look records don't believe all hype
I said here during week fermanagh beat westmeath and I don't know much on fermanagh but what do know is Pete McGrath two time all ireland down winning manager is very good get best he's team
I also all year said watch Galway Kevin Walsh
Galway two years will win connaught possible all ireland
There coming team with outstanding manager who proven


Regarding all ireland five years ago good management tactically would steam rolled cork all ireland and wouldn't struggled over limerick and poor down team in final
We would won handy
Couninhan was tactical manager but for he faults cork were competitive under him
And no we should not get Conor back as we need tactical master mind compete football terms in tactical evolution football now is

sean mac wrote: »

Until I hear Cuthbert is gone I wont believe it, I hope he does go as it has been a disaster and that's accepting he tried his best. If the ccb were serious about wehre cork go now they would ask conor counihan, billy and eamon ryan to select the next manger and his coach and selectors. But of course we will have frank, ger lane and some other green velvet table chappie with a few lads from the clubs to select -NONE of whom are qualified for this.
The last 3 years have been disastrous for cork football, if things go wrong again it will be a lost decade. When I consider the following players who were not involved : kevin Crowley, Vaughan, sean kiely, sean dineen, alan Cronin, maceoin and look at who was involved last night I have to really wonder what the **** was going on, we ended up with 3 town players and 3 from caheragh on the field last night no direpsect but only brian o driscoll and ohallorha are up to this level, dormans form from dominant ucc and cork u21 to bit part nervous wreck under cutrhbert is unreal to me.
The talent is in cork to be a top 4 team, but until we get the right man in charge we are ****ed, as said don't be surprised if frank et al try to brazen this out by getting another year for this inept management team. If Cuthbert does the right thing and leaves and presuming we wont go outside the county then john cleary as manager with paudie kissane as coach is the right start for 2016

Totally agree


What about those that might seem your views could be harsh like we're too negative

And what do you make of we were bad ref beating kerry
Some I talk to said he should get another term
I can't believe that

hard luck yesterday lads. colm oneill is a savage player absolutely brilliant imo.

cork will be back strong and hard as we all know they are a class act on their day.

good luck in the hurling and fair play for cork boardsies being very gracious in defeat.

sean mac wrote: »

Until I hear Cuthbert is gone I wont believe it, I hope he does go as it has been a disaster and that's accepting he tried his best. If the ccb were serious about wehre cork go now they would ask conor counihan, billy and eamon ryan to select the next manger and his coach and selectors. But of course we will have frank, ger lane and some other green velvet table chappie with a few lads from the clubs to select -NONE of whom are qualified for this.
The last 3 years have been disastrous for cork football, if things go wrong again it will be a lost decade. When I consider the following players who were not involved : kevin Crowley, Vaughan, sean kiely, sean dineen, alan Cronin, maceoin and look at who was involved last night I have to really wonder what the **** was going on, we ended up with 3 town players and 3 from caheragh on the field last night no direpsect but only brian o driscoll and ohallorha are up to this level, dormans form from dominant ucc and cork u21 to bit part nervous wreck under cutrhbert is unreal to me.
The talent is in cork to be a top 4 team, but until we get the right man in charge we are ****ed, as said don't be surprised if frank et al try to brazen this out by getting another year for this inept management team. If Cuthbert does the right thing and leaves and presuming we wont go outside the county then john cleary as manager with paudie kissane as coach is the right start for 2016

Kevin Crowley
Cathal Vaughan
Sean Kiely
Sean Dineen
Alan Cronin
Dan McEoin
John O'Rourke
Ian Maguire

Are them lads injured?