Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 09:53PM

The White Feather wrote: »

I am putting forward TTMs name to the CCB.

Who will second the motion?

Can you picture the laptop on the touchline with players waiting for the latest post?! Team talks would require Wireless broadband!

I have to laugh and joke right now as I am still trying to stop being angry!

I have honesty and balls love cork football know better than me in qualified coaches like English Cleary do job

To bring bit light hearted laughter hear as I'm all cried out now I need laugh like you

If I was going in I'd bring sean mac we probably have tense debates but we get job done
I'd have shamboc for he's expirence and ciarrailusith who knows cork football inside out kerry man
I'd have gary Neville purely as pr man he wouldn't be left near coaching though as he's job is talk media and put pr spin when needed and when things rock bottom he's still type try convince all were fine

My last selector would be wackokid as yes we had our debates but he's heart philosophy right place cork football and lot he says I agree
We would not have like each other but we'd work fine look ger Cunningham and jbm
Wackokid was right regards this management many times

Jokes aside we need right man charge
I hope next management in charge if no experience i critsed that please will people stop saying I agenda just cause don't on performance rate management
To be fair I have taken lot stuff here month on month and still posted views before games as when people critsed me as against cork that was unfair but look i only want best cork so when I'm harsh not harsh for sake it I usually back up logic

Slingerz right cork needs come together unite sake cork football east west north south
Cork football needs unity and good manager and doesn't matter what club is once record proven
English Cleary McCarthy should be in job
Kissane should get minor

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 09:54PM

youngbob wrote: »

I'll second that motion. even it's just to put a face to this mystery man & besides he would be the most entertaining manager Cork ever had. I think CCB wouldn't stand a chance against OUR LEGEND. Only downside is I'd miss Cork,s very own Stig & I mean that. Frank would have found his match

Well move on from talk myth sense me etc as this goes on some will think I'm glad we lost as if be vindicated by my posts

Honestly nothing farther truth is wanted be so wrong with this management as meant cork would do well
So back to football as what only thing counts
All jokes aside who would you have now
English can play blanket
Cleary management
Flangan stay on
Gene optional
James McCarthy also

Slingerz right cork media some have stand up be counted ask hard questions now if he's get another term

And if jbm goes tomorrow hopefully lesson learned here is next time unproven management go in if it's for example tomas mulchay that playing records forgotten but poor management record is questions and highlighted

Gael85 · 25-07-2015 09:56PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I said it 2 years ago that Cuthbert was out of his depth.
A shocking appointment.
His championship results will surely prove him to be the worst Cork manager.
Brutal display.
Well done Kildare.

Cuthbert championship record

Played 8 Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 4 Scored 8-125(149) Conceded 10-120(150)

He had better league record

Played 17 Won 11 Drew 1 Lost 5 Scored 27-235(316) Conceded 19-247(304)

ShamoBuc · 25-07-2015 09:59PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Cuthbert championship record

Played 8 Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 4 Scored 8-125(149) Conceded 10-120(150)

He had better league record

Played 17 Won 11 Drew 1 Lost 5 Scored 27-235(316) Conceded 19-247(304)

Muster final debacle last year

League debacle v Dublin

Tonight's offering ( did I hear 87 years since Kildare beat Cork ?? How long since they hammered us !!!!)

Think that's more than enough.

slingerz · 25-07-2015 10:04PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Cuthbert championship record

Played 8 Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 4 Scored 8-125(149) Conceded 10-120(150)

He had better league record

Played 17 Won 11 Drew 1 Lost 5 Scored 27-235(316) Conceded 19-247(304)

That is a horrifying stat.

At this stage I'd take Ned English as the manager. At least they'd play the blanket properly anyway.

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:08PM

smiley_face wrote: »

No fault to him for effort, but why was Colm O'Driscoll playing as a wing forward, when to my mind he is more of a man-marking defender?
Especially seeing as Kevin O'Driscoll was already selected on the other wing. I would consider KO'D as a back, or possibly centre-field, but purely a workhorse and not a scoring forward.
Neither player are going to score many points and we definitely didn't need the two of them on at the same time in the forwards.
To make it worse Kerrigan, wearing 14, was playing as an extra wing-back and kicked some awful shots when he got forward. Though to be fair to him, he had to run forward as there were no proper wing-forwards able to shoot themselves!
Any one of those 3 selections in isolation would have been acceptable, but why all together?
We don't need 6 wing backs on the pitch.
Surely there are one or two scoring wing-forwards around the county that could have played instead of one or both of the O'Driscolls.
Or play Kerrigan wing forward and let one of the O'Driscolls play as the extra wing-back.
I'm no expert, but very early in the match even I could see that Cork were lacking a scoring forward on the wing, yet they waited way too late to bring on Hurley.
I reckon if they changed the selection they would have won comfortably.
I don't blame the players, but the game-plan was rubbish, and they wasted their energy in the first half the way they were set up to play.
O'Connor should have started on the wing, with Goulding or Hurley in the corner. That switch alone would have made a huge difference I feel.
Cuthbert will have to accept the responsibility for this game-plan, and should be removed immediately.

All true greater inditement this set up was drop Brian Driscoll then bring him on sub and play him out position corner back
They done same loughrey
Same dorman before
Dorman made scape goat again

Look at dorman plays ucc under Morgan to dorman under cuthbhertt
See my point
Sean right should resign
If he gets another term nothing against him but only field play poor reflection cork and I'll be honest I have to think about going to games again if same set up there as hard watch good players made look poor played out position

Gael85 · 25-07-2015 10:10PM

slingerz wrote: »

That is a horrifying stat.

At this stage I'd take Ned English as the manager. At least they'd play the blanket properly anyway.

Would Paudie Kissane be considered as a coach in new set up? He was highly regarded in Clare footballers set up last year

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:12PM

slingerz wrote: »

That is a horrifying stat.

At this stage I'd take Ned English as the manager. At least they'd play the blanket properly anyway.

I wouldn't have ned as manager as be too defence
Cleary management English coach
That would been set up two years ago if Cleary got job
Here you have attack blended defence

Love hate English style no one can deny he's team excellent blanket with limited pool players
Team die with boots on
Cork folded again under pressure as like I said players don't truly believe management as seen by performance

youngbob · 25-07-2015 10:12PM

willietherock wrote: »

This is hilarious. The players were massively found out yet again at this level. The majority of players that played tonight are not related to top senior intercounty footballlers. The utter inability to kick a football are criminal. Cubby is gone but who ever comes in will be stuck with the same dross to pick from, a handful of exceptions aside.

You are entitled to your opinion & if I agree with you we'll both be wrong. these players you refer to came close to beating Kerry in their 1st match so no matter what happened in the replay to say they are not related to top IC players in stretching it. As all top team set ups do is they have a strategy to play better than the previous game. Cork management have failed to do that in their last 2 games. I feel if the fans could see where the gameplan is going they wouldn't be as confused & downhearted. I do agree Cork are at a crossroads in both codes as there is no joined up thinking from underage to higher level. Next 2 appointments are incredibly important as is our minor management incoming charges

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:15PM

youngbob wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion & if I agree with you we'll both be wrong. these players you refer to came close to beating Kerry in their 1st match so no matter what happened in the replay to say they are not related to top IC players in stretching it. As all top team set ups do is they have a strategy to play better than the previous game. Cork management have failed to do that in their last 2 games. I feel if the fans could see where the gameplan is going they wouldn't be as confused & downhearted. I do agree Cork are at a crossroads in both codes as there is no joined up thinking from underage to higher level. Next 2 appointments are incredibly important as is our minor management incoming charges

Totally correct but like I said nearly every game this term management never once never once played as team but individual

The defence was appalling and has been at minor under cuthbhertt

Two half forward can't kick pass but run
I said kerrigan wasn't up level in too predicable runs ball after ball in to contact
Time and again have lost ball
Great goal kerry but that's it
Barry driscoll never half back and should not been played there

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:17PM

Gael85 wrote: »

Would Paudie Kissane be considered as a coach in new set up? He was highly regarded in Clare footballers set up last year

Good but should be minor and work up the ladder

Smith614 · 25-07-2015 10:28PM

If I'm correct did Ned English coach Drumcollogher to a Munster senior club title, they beat Nemo Rangers in Munster final. Nemo a team of "stars" who couldn't be beaten by a hurling club from west Limerick couldn't handle a defensive Drumcollogher set up. They stifled the Nemo stars, not pretty but the record books show them as Munster champs. In my mind this is the greatest achievement by any club team hurling or football. Not sure where we turn now in Cork but I think we are officially f****d . Hope the Hurleys can cheer us up tomorrow.

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:34PM

Smith614 wrote: »

If I'm correct did Ned English coach Drumcollogher to a Munster senior club title, they beat Nemo Rangers in Munster final. Nemo a team of "stars" who couldn't be beaten by a hurling club from west Limerick couldn't handle a defensive Drumcollogher set up. They stifled the Nemo stars, not pretty but the record books show them as Munster champs. In my mind this is the greatest achievement by any club team hurling or football. Not sure where we turn now in Cork but I think we are officially f****d . Hope the Hurleys can cheer us up tomorrow.

Absolutely correct

Not being harsh but look anyone better this set up
They had no record most them
Clearly English would least make cork competitive
This worst football defeat twenty years or more worse than Tompkins
Kildare destroyed us and had three more goals chances
Dublin would destroyed us

Watch kerry beat Kildare seven eight points second gear with minimum fuss

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:37PM

Sweeney right in independent cuthbhertt modern day phenomenon management talk good talk but no record
The root branch review nonsense after league final makes it worse when same mistake repeated and half back Driscoll played corner back

They talk a good talk though and few cork media fell for it hook line and sinker

Figsy32 · 25-07-2015 10:39PM

Back home now and still can't get my head around that performance. So many strange aspects. Brian O'Driscoll being dropped, Midfield, how lethargic we were both in attack and when trying to tackle. From where I was sitting there was no coherent gameplan. So disappointing as I honestly thought we'd made a bit of progress after Kerry. Really awful performance.

Axel Lamp · 25-07-2015 10:45PM

Cork football, the oxymoron.

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 10:46PM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cuthbert-question-will-be-answered-today-31352152.html

It didn't materialise as kerry complacency led false dawn weaker team the ist game
But questions truly answers tonight regards management

As o se said this week the last chance saloon for the management
As always poor manager one step forward always preceeded by ten steps back

Ryan limerick v kk this year
Walsh beat tipp loosing hugely Galway limerick
Cuthbhertt
Brendan Rodgers few great wins following bad defeats

Pat lamb rugby
Matt o connor good one off toulon game awful after it
Mcgenney armagh like wise
Bottom line is they don't do consistently
Kerry are laughing at cork tonight

Gary Neville · 25-07-2015 11:12PM

We'd have won that game easy if Alan O Connor didn't get injured. He was lording it at MF. We lost our best defender to a black card and then then one of our 2 vital players (Colm O Neill, the other - both now ACL victims)

We might have sneaked it if Dorman's effort went in - it would have been the lift we badly needed - instead they got a great goal - Frnak wont be bothered by this loss if we win the hurling tomorrow - he might ever get Colm O Neill to give hurling a go next season.

I'd say Cutbert is guaranteed another term.

Deepsouthwest · 25-07-2015 11:14PM

Kerry are laughing at cork tonight[/quote]

I doubt if Kerry could care less about cork tonight. Relations between the two are actually pretty good at the moment, simply because we're absolutely no threat to Kerry anymore. Even if Colm o Neil had kicked that 45 a few wks ago, Kerry would probably have gone down and got a goal instead of a point.
We can't even compete with them in Munster now, let alone croke park.

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 11:14PM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/cork-football-in-shock-after-tame-exit/

Murphy is right and be fair he always had doubts
Barry Donovan another can hold he's head high in terms good sports predictions in he questions forward play all year
Derek daly wonderful said after draw cork needed new script
He said today cork had problems leading in Kildare game

Cuthbhertt he said here refused speak to the media
Hard to know what that means
If step down he deserves immense credit for walking away and calling it a day and under standsble wouldn't want talk media then

If looking new term not talking media is not good really imo

Len dowling tweeted reviews cork football unlikely in he's opinion if hurling win tomorrow in he's great limerick munster commentator
He's right like I said hurling win it's awful timing on the football

Eammon Murphy tweeted cork need root branch review he's words as a whole he's right

Tonight harsh harsh lesson cork football
Media now minor job up hurling football possible senior job also both codes must ask questions if management get job no record

Fans learned lesson don't accept false dawns and judge one game on its own
Clubs hopefully learned for sake cork gaa love of God if management put in no proven club back one another and lot leave maguire haven delsgtr when questioned this appointment dsy one one voice singing in the rain or like prout shamrock delegate alone when he echoes Cusack views cork under age hurling after tipp last year

Cork gaa have bright future has to learn lesson from the past so it can have legacy sustainable success that media player fans board and above all player truly deserves cork gaa

Gael85 · 25-07-2015 11:25PM

If Cuthbert steps aside would Cork look at appointing manager outside the county or would they just look internally?

darragh_haven · 25-07-2015 11:27PM

Gael85 wrote: »

If Cuthbert steps aside would Cork look at appointing manager outside the county or would they just look internally?

There is no way in this wide earthly world thar the crew in the CCB would appoint outside the county. My worry is what kinda of lap dog will they have lined up tho.

Gary Neville · 25-07-2015 11:36PM

Gael85 wrote: »

If Cuthbert steps aside would Cork look at appointing manager outside the county or would they just look internally?

Cuthbert got a 2 year term and that ended this evening. Normally in Cork, the outgoing manager would get another term if he wanted it. I doubt that Cutbert will look for another term. He took the criticism last year, pretty badly and got a fair amount of personal abuse, phone calls, letters etc. A friend of mine knows his sister and it was fairly bad.

Billy Morgan too Cork to an AI final in 2007 and Frank decided not to offer him another term but Frank was the one who pushed Cuthbert's appointment in the first place - so you never can perdict what will happen in Cork.

Never went for an outside manager and can't see it happen now. These guys have to be paid AFAIK and all resources are going into Staide Frankeen.

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 11:50PM

Gael85 wrote: »

If Cuthbert steps aside would Cork look at appointing manager outside the county or would they just look internally?

No way look outside county with new stadium and no need to
Enough talented management in cork

thinkstoomuch1 · 25-07-2015 11:53PM

darragh_haven wrote: »

There is no way in this wide earthly world thar the crew in the CCB would appoint outside the county. My worry is what kinda of lap dog will they have lined up tho.

Think pairc save cork as they can't afford another drama so one clubs don't roll over right man will get job
He's not gone yet so may look new term we don't know

The_Kew_Tour · 25-07-2015 11:56PM

Joe Brolly was right.

Rebels my arse.

Gary Neville · 26-07-2015 12:32AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Think pairc save cork as they can't afford another drama so one clubs don't roll over right man will get job
He's not gone yet so may look new term we don't know

HQ, Munster Council and Cork CB are throwing massive money at Frank's Monument - after next season, we'll have he next 3 Cork v Kerry clashes in PUC. They'll all need to get bums on seats and other than bringing Ed Sheerin to play. They'll want a successful management team. Tipp have imploded too with dualism an issue so we are unlikely to lose to minnows in Munster.

If he looks for another term then would Cork CB regard the draw as sufficient progress to grant another term ?

Frank will still try to call the shots but Ryan won't be involved - they'll probably go with the same selection formula - Frank, Ger and Tracey ( the latter 2 would be solid IMO and the Nodding Dogs (delegates) will take more care and maybe get Castlehaven and Nemo men on the committee _ I hope so anyway but you can't predict. As long as Frank is involved, expect a f....'k-up.

blackcard · 26-07-2015 12:39AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Joe Brolly was right.

Rebels my arse.

Certainly you would have to say that in the last 10 years, Cork have been serial underachievers.

keeponhurling · 26-07-2015 12:40AM

Gary Neville wrote: »

We'd have won that game easy if Alan O Connor didn't get injured. He was lording it at MF.

Probably wouldn't have changed the result, but losing O'Connor did have a big impact.

It's unusual to see a top county getting so completely cleaned out in midfield such as today.
Are there seriously no other decent midfielders in a county as big as Cork, even O'Connor himself came out of retirement?

I suppose Aidan Walsh was also a bit of a loss

thinkstoomuch1 · 26-07-2015 12:43AM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Probably wouldn't have changed the result, but losing O'Connor did have a big impact.

It's unusual to see a top county getting so completely cleaned out in midfield such as today.
Are there seriously no other decent midfielders in a county as big as Cork, even O'Connor himself came out of retirement?

I suppose Aidan Walsh was also a bit of a loss

They are in dinneen deane before got injured and after leary lynch all better than gould
Sean kiely never got game time

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