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OldRio wrote: »

Good grief. No. Just no. The early albums are masterpieces of early 70's progressive rock. When Peter Gabriel left the rot began. The loss of Steve Hackett was the final nail in the coffin. From Rock to Poppy crap.

From works that ran to over 20 minutes, often in segments, each more difficult than the last. Challenging the listener with its unusual time signatures. Music that needed to be listened to. To be explored. To be felt. A mixtures of jazz, rock folk and classic all blended into a heady brew. Music written for the connoisseur.

To 4 minute ditty's written on the back of an envelope that children can sing along to.

An awfully sad tale.

I would like to disassociate myself from the comments I made above... it's called American Psycho for a reason.


Obviously Peter Gabriel Genesis is about a million bazillion times better than Phil Collins Genesis. That old South Park episode about Phil Collins is pretty funny

dregin wrote: »

In my effort to be a fraction as hip as molloy, I exclusively buy vinyl and tapes.

8 tracks are where all the hipsters are going now, vinyl is too mainstream.

.ak wrote: »

Vinyl defo has it's own analogue sound. Some people don't like how unclean it sounds however... but you can't bate it IMO! When I began DJ'ing it was all vinyl, and mixing was squeeky-bum time, every time! There's a lovely tactile experience to it and you really need to be on the ball to keep juggling. I personally love the warmth you get from vinyl.

However, the love-in ends there for me. There's a reason it's a by-gone product, it's awkward, fiddly, and doesn't sound clean. I'll listen to the odd LP on the decks but to be honest it's too expensive to keep collecting records and my decks are gathering dust.

I'm kinda similar to I started collecting vinyl because I was into djing, and this was just before Serato and the like started to gain traction so vinyl was the only way to go. I'm actually in the process of doing a bit of a clear out of my collection at the minute, have about 800 12 inches/LPs and 500 7 inch records which I'm looking to get down to about 500 and 300. I don't buy as much vinyl as I used to but I don't think I'll ever completely stop buying them and will probably use some of the money from the records I sell to buy some more
Having a decent sized collection of vinyl makes moving house an absolute ba****d.

b.gud wrote: »

8 tracks are where all the hipsters are going now, vinyl is too mainstream.

pickarooney wrote: »

Can music be both warm and clean?

As someone with poor hearing this kind of stuff sounds worse than the ****e wine-snobs come out with.

They are two very different, unrelated things... So yes.

However, in this context, probably not. The 'warmth' you get from vinyl is generally the added ambience of sound the needle picks up from dirt and atmospheres. So, when you take that out, and you have a 'clean' version of the sound, the sound becomes colder.

As a producer you're actually looking to avoid that clean sound and often will add in atmospheres created via reverbs to fill those 'blanks' and add some background warmth.

dregin wrote: »

Is the argument for Analogue "warmth" V Digital not the bits lost during compression? And the fact that digital is stepped as opposed to a wave form? the jagged part of a step causes loss to some extent, no matter how many 1s and 0s you've jammed in there.

Well in the case of mp3 that's certainly an argument, however there's plenty of digital formats that do not compress in the same way and keep plenty of headroom.

The step aspect is pretty much a non-entity imo, you'd be really reaching into the realms of audiophile snobbery to stand over it. When you're working with WAV, AIFF or PCM formats it's the same thing.

Jaysus that Metropolis festival line up is something else!