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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #3032
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    stanflt wrote: »
    You should of got roughly 33.5 cpl with those solids

    If I divided my total milk payment by litres sold it comes in at 31.6
    Milk price for may was 34.14 @ 4.14f and 3.72 p.
    solids are higher for june
    I'd have expected to be getting 34c.
    no liquid bonus here just a baileys contract


  • #3033
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,809 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Timmaay wrote: »
    That the actual milk price paid or net price? Net price here only 27.56, 29.44c/l when you add in vat, stability and the coop cookie jar funds. 3.80 bf 3.51 p. 420euro TBC fine in that, which I'd hope to get refunded.
    how come you had a tbc fine with a new tank and new machine?


  • #3034
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    whelan2 wrote: »
    how come you had a tbc fine with a new tank and new machine?
    Well as my uncle used to say,a few of them yokes handed out wouldn't be long paying for a lorry load of milk...


  • #3035
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    whelan2 wrote: »
    how come you had a tbc fine with a new tank and new machine?

    Some of the milk foaming up in the receiving jar was getting sucked up into the vacuum pump, and was going stale. Solved it quick enough, parlour installer came down, flushed out the vacuum line, and put in an air bleed in the receiving jar, which basically let's a steady stream of air just under the milk level and reduces the froth buildup.


  • #3036
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Some of the milk foaming up in the receiving jar was getting sucked up into the vacuum pump, and was going stale. Solved it quick enough, parlour installer came down, flushed out the vacuum line, and put in an air bleed in the receiving jar, which basically let's a steady stream of air just under the milk level and reduces the froth buildup.

    we have an expansion jar with a float valve , no liquids can get into the vacuum line
    , 30 year old technology .. but it works


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  • #3037
    Timmaay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Timmaay


    orm0nd wrote: »
    we have an expansion jar with a float valve , no liquids can get into the vacuum line
    , 30 year old technology .. but it works

    Have that also, the froth wouldn't float the ball though.


  • #3038
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭mf240


    Timmaay wrote: »
    Have that also, the froth wouldn't float the ball though.

    Think what means is instead of the pipe at the bottom of small jar thst rejoins the milk line. he has a valve that lets it drain out on ground when you turn off machine. Its a better job.

    I never open the clip on that pipe or the one on top for washing. I just pull of the pipe and let any overflow out on ground. ( machine needs to be off)


  • #3039
    arctic8dave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭arctic8dave


    Dairygold down 1 cent to 27


  • #3040
    Deepsouthwest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Deepsouthwest


    Drinagh down 1c/l to 29. Said they'll hold that price for the not 2/3 months


  • #3041
    degetme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭degetme


    32.66 c/l this month
    3.90 fat
    3.66 p

    32.01 c/l on average received so far this year


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  • #3042
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    degetme wrote: »
    32.66 c/l this month
    3.90 fat
    3.66 p

    32.01 c/l on average received so far this year

    Who are you supplying?


  • #3043
    degetme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 824 ✭✭✭degetme


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Who are you supplying?

    Kerry. the fixed milk price is propping it up a bit.


  • #3044
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Dairygold are paying 27 cent for June.


  • #3045
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    does solids ratio of less than 1.1 fat to 1 protein indicate sara??
    our ratio for may and june was 1.04. at 1.09 now

    spotted it in dairygolds june magazine w.agritrading.ie/Milk-Matters[/url]
    Rumen biohydrogenation (turning unsaturated fats into trans fats and then saturated fats) is key to milk fat. Its altered by both unsaturated fats and rumen ph(acidosis reduces biohydrogenation by changing bacteria populations in the rumen)
    Unsaturated fats have an antimicrobial effect in the rumen which reduces biohydrogenation allowing more trans and unsaturated fats to leave the rumen. These reduce fat production in the udder, some saturated fat supplements can bypass this and improve fat% but will lower protein% so might not be viable. Yeasts could increase biohydrogenation but I'm not sure whether or not it's proven or cost effective Feeding extra fibre will not effect milk fat unless it displaces high unsaturated fat feed if low milk fat is solely caused by unsaturated fats. Reductions in biohydrogenation can be caused by either acidosis or unsaturated fats on their own or in combination so its important not to overlook either
    Short rotations,high n use,cool weather and high ryegrass% all increases unsaturated fat content of grass.
    Wilting, longer rotations, warm weather decrease them

    In short not a whole lot you can do, but if you rule out acidosis there is no risk of harm to the cow


  • #3046
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    http://theglobaldairy.com/noticias/dairy-farmers-offered-just-7plitre-for-milk-43474/


  • #3047
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Rumen biohydrogenation (turning unsaturated fats into trans fats and then saturated fats) is key to milk fat. Its altered by both unsaturated fats and rumen ph(acidosis reduces biohydrogenation by changing bacteria populations in the rumen)
    Unsaturated fats have an antimicrobial effect in the rumen which reduces biohydrogenation allowing more trans and unsaturated fats to leave the rumen. These reduce fat production in the udder, some saturated fat supplements can bypass this and improve fat% but will lower protein% so might not be viable. Yeasts could increase biohydrogenation but I'm not sure whether or not it's proven or cost effective Feeding extra fibre will not effect milk fat unless it displaces high unsaturated fat feed if low milk fat is solely caused by unsaturated fats. Reductions in biohydrogenation can be caused by either acidosis or unsaturated fats on their own or in combination so its important not to overlook either
    Short rotations,high n use,cool weather and high ryegrass% all increases unsaturated fat content of grass.
    Wilting, longer rotations, warm weather decrease them

    In short not a whole lot you can do, but if you rule out acidosis there is no risk of harm to the cow

    Thanks for that. Excellent reading


  • #3048
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Rumen biohydrogenation (turning unsaturated fats into trans fats and then saturated fats) is key to milk fat. Its altered by both unsaturated fats and rumen ph(acidosis reduces biohydrogenation by changing bacteria populations in the rumen)
    Unsaturated fats have an antimicrobial effect in the rumen which reduces biohydrogenation allowing more trans and unsaturated fats to leave the rumen. These reduce fat production in the udder, some saturated fat supplements can bypass this and improve fat% but will lower protein% so might not be viable. Yeasts could increase biohydrogenation but I'm not sure whether or not it's proven or cost effective Feeding extra fibre will not effect milk fat unless it displaces high unsaturated fat feed if low milk fat is solely caused by unsaturated fats. Reductions in biohydrogenation can be caused by either acidosis or unsaturated fats on their own or in combination so its important not to overlook either
    Short rotations,high n use,cool weather and high ryegrass% all increases unsaturated fat content of grass.
    Wilting, longer rotations, warm weather decrease them

    In short not a whole lot you can do, but if you rule out acidosis there is no risk of harm to the cow

    So lads buying these acid buffs etc are wasting there money really?


  • #3049
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    Why isit people always think the rain will never stop, the drought will never end, the price will nevrr fall and the price will never go up again.at the risk of repeating myself its all aboutthe margin


  • #3050
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    So lads buying these acid buffs etc are wasting there money really?

    Great post Yosem .not wasting our time with acid buffs/yeasts etc gg .my fat for April may was 0.36 higher than last year ,added mega fat to mix with great success .achieved over 3.6 fat for May which haven't done for 2 years ,took it out in June fat dropped to 3.53 .should of kept it in ,nutritionist advised to keep it in for one more load and I said no,more fool me.


  • #3051
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Great post Yosem .not wasting our time with acid buffs/yeasts etc gg .my fat for April may was 0.36 higher than last year ,added mega fat to mix with great success .achieved over 3.6 fat for May which haven't done for 2 years ,took it out in June fat dropped to 3.53 .should of kept it in ,nutritionist advised to keep it in for one more load and I said no,more fool me.
    Just asking a question mj not directed at anyone. Why not breed for more fat and bit less milk.
    Breed it instead of what your effectively doing is buying more fat to sell it again


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  • #3052
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Just asking a question mj not directed at anyone. Why not breed for more fat and bit less milk.
    Breed it instead of what your effectively doing is buying more fat to sell it again

    I wouldn't go breeding for it at the expense of protein gg




    Take price per kg Ms into account- my kilo Ms is worth way more than yours plus with volume I have a hell of a lot more

    No point having 450 kg Ms made up of fat

    I hope you can understand what I mean


  • #3053
    frazzledhome
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭frazzledhome


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Great post Yosem .not wasting our time with acid buffs/yeasts etc gg .my fat for April may was 0.36 higher than last year ,added mega fat to mix with great success .achieved over 3.6 fat for May which haven't done for 2 years ,took it out in June fat dropped to 3.53 .should of kept it in ,nutritionist advised to keep it in for one more load and I said no,more fool me.

    Any change in protein while feeding it


  • #3054
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    stanflt wrote: »
    I wouldn't go breeding for it at the expense of protein gg




    Take price per kg Ms into account- my kilo Ms is worth way more than yours plus with volume I have a hell of a lot more

    No point having 450 kg Ms made up of fat

    I hope you can understand what I mean
    Yes i agree wouldn't be choosing just fat protein no1.
    Works for you if you have a liquid contract but you get a bigger -c with more volume


  • #3055
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    Any change in protein while feeding it

    April 3.45 May 3.52 .it suppressed it a bit ill admit but cows dung was a lot more solid and rumen function better according to my man.


  • #3056
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Yes i agree wouldn't be choosing just fat protein no1.
    Works for you if you have a liquid contract but you get a bigger -c with more volume

    Nothing to do with liquid contract gg

    It's the ratio of kilo p to kilo f that makes up the kilo of Ms


  • #3057
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Just asking a question mj not directed at anyone. Why not breed for more fat and bit less milk.
    Breed it instead of what your effectively doing is buying more fat to sell it again

    Gg why not breed for both ,it is possible.low fats are a consequence of very lush grass ,high milk yields and lasts for 6/8 weeks.my fat for year will average close to 4% or navy more,with my yields and solids I'm very happy with that but naturally want it higher .ill say it again smaller farm and herds need a slightly different approach with higher milk yields but not at expense of solids or fertility


  • #3058
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,731 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Yes i agree wouldn't be choosing just fat protein no1.
    Works for you if you have a liquid contract but you get a bigger -c with more volume

    ????????


  • #3059
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    ????????

    We're breeding more milk in here first yr we have seen a big jump in yeild but solids aswell.
    lush grass has very little to do with it imo. Our fat hasn't been below 4.1 since start of yr.
    Last June we sold 776l/ cow
    this June we sold 862l/ cow
    fat in june 14 was 4.06 pr was 3.61
    fat in june 15 was 4.14 pr was 3.78
    I would be too keen to breed in more milk than we have now tbh but definitely want higher P and bf %
    who's better off you with more milk and a less solid % or me with less milk but higher %


  • #3060
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    We're breeding more milk in here first yr we have seen a big jump in yeild but solids aswell.
    lush grass has very little to do with it imo. Our fat hasn't been below 4.1 since start of yr.
    Last June we sold 776l/ cow
    this June we sold 862l/ cow
    fat in june 14 was 4.06 pr was 3.61
    fat in june 15 was 4.14 pr was 3.78
    I would be too keen to breed in more milk than we have now tbh
    who's better off you with more milk and a less solid % or me with less milk but higher %


    The only answer to that question lie I. The results from the profit monitor

    Profit per cow
    Profit per ha
    Which is better 20cpl profit from 4500 litre
    Or 18cpl from 7500????


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  • #3061
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    stanflt wrote: »
    Nothing to do with liquid contract gg

    It's the ratio of kilo p to kilo f that makes up the kilo of Ms

    Okay so how do we compare
    me with 21.6 l @4.37 bf and 3.78 P

    How do you work it out.
    be a great one fir dg meeting here next month


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