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Ethiopian Airlines to use Dublin as a transit hub

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
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    Arrived with a sick passenger, flight left 90 mins late.


  • #63
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Arrived with a sick passenger, flight left 90 mins late.

    Have they provided undertakings associated with costs to the HSE for this? Curious as to who's liable where a pax may not have insurance


  • #64
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,945 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Anybody know if there was many outbound, boarding with one air bridge will take time if there is heavy loads ex DUB.


  • #65
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,520 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Suppose it raises a point in the wrong way, but could someone seek asylum this way and get away with it? Not that I'm saying that is what happened in this case, id imagine this was a genuine medical emergency.


  • #66
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Suppose it raises a point in the wrong way, but could someone seek asylum this way and get away with it? Not that I'm saying that is what happened in this case, id imagine this was a genuine medical emergency.

    Of course, and by the fact that Ireland is the first country they've landed in since departing Ethiopia the UNHCR conventions stand in their favour


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  • #67
    DubDani
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭DubDani


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Suppose it raises a point in the wrong way, but could someone seek asylum this way and get away with it? Not that I'm saying that is what happened in this case, id imagine this was a genuine medical emergency.

    I think that there is very little chance of that happening. Everyone departing from Ethopia on this flight will either have a US passport or at least a valid US visa. So most of them will probably be more interested making it into the US (and potentially claiming Asylum there on arrival) then claiming it in Ireland.


  • #68
    lord lucan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,584 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Can we keep this thread to the Aviation aspect of this operation, if you want to talk asylum or cost to the HSE then take it somewhere else.


  • #69
    stopthepanic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭stopthepanic


    DubDani wrote: »
    Everyone departing from Ethopia on this flight will either have a US passport or at least a valid US visa..

    Not so. This is flight that can drop off pax from Addis Ababa and/or picks up passengers for the onward trip to LAX.

    Passengers may just be booked on the Addis-Dublin sector.


  • #70
    DubDani
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭DubDani


    stopthepanic wrote: »
    Not so. This is flight that can drop off pax from Addis Ababa and/or picks up passengers for the onward trip to LAX.

    Passengers may just be booked on the Addis-Dublin sector.

    But even then they will at least need an Irish Visa to even get on the plane. No relevant Visa ... no boarding.


  • #71
    TheShin
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    Hey guys, now that the flight is up and going, does anyone know if they are using the US preclearance facility or not, for either/both the boarding Dublin passengers or the Ethiopian passengers arriving in Dublin?


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  • #72
    LXFlyer
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    TheShin wrote: »
    Hey guys, now that the flight is up and going, does anyone know if they are using the US preclearance facility or not, for either/both the boarding Dublin passengers or the Ethiopian passengers arriving in Dublin?



    No they're not.


    Ethiopian are using terminal 1.


  • #73
    TheShin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 ✭TheShin


    lxflyer wrote: »
    No they're not.


    Ethiopian are using terminal 1.


    Thanks for the info.


  • #74
    veetwin
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    DubDani wrote: »
    But even then they will at least need an Irish Visa to even get on the plane. No relevant Visa ... no boarding.

    Plenty of African passports are not visa required e.g. South Africa, Botswana, Malawi, Lesotho. Apparently it's not overly difficult to procure one through bribery.


  • #75
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    And BANG there you have it

    7 asylum seekers on the inaugural flight!

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/unexpected-turbulence-at-dublin-airport-seven-passengers-on-inaugural-flight-from-ethiopia-claim-asylum-31332090.html


  • #76
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    Tenger wrote: »
    This was a nice thread till you two added a little stereotypical xenophobia into it. Don't do it again.

    It's not xenophobic to call a spade a spade.

    The inaugural flight resulted in 7 asylum seekers who somehow had zero ID or documents on presentation to GNIB

    Now, kindly retract your pithy attempt to paint those with a logical and realistic understanding of reality as xenophobic


  • #77
    LXFlyer
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    my friend wrote: »
    It's not xenophobic to call a spade a spade.

    The inaugural flight resulted in 7 asylum seekers who somehow had zero ID or documents on presentation to GNIB

    Now, kindly retract your pithy attempt to paint those with a logical and realistic understanding of reality as xenophobic

    Asylum seekers can come off any flight - Ethiopian Airlines are not some 2nd class outfit - they are quite a reputable airline. We need to find out how did they get on the flight in the first place.


  • #78
    duskyjoe
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    I don't wish to wade into a mire of political correctness but I have to agree with the comments of "my friend". Asylum and all mode of transport are a hot topic or even a hot potato for Europe these days and we as a country are no different. If this stopover for Etophain (who may I add are a top class and professional outfit) becomes becomes a common asylum issue at DUB, it certainly ratchets up the pressure for the airline and the authorities here going forward. Just my .2c


  • #79
    my friend
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    Asylum seekers can come off any flight - Ethiopian Airlines are not some 2nd class outfit - they are quite a reputable airline. We need to find out how did they get on the flight in the first place.

    Granted they can but here's an interesting statistic

    "In 2014, 221 persons claimed asylum at ports of entry having been refused leave to land''

    That's ALL ports of entry including Ships yet the inaugural flight results in >3% of 2014's total from just one flight.


  • #80
    gordongekko
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    Whhat does our laws and what is the common aviation practices in these types of cases? Is it possiblet osay you've no visa so are being deported on the next available flight?


  • #81
    LXFlyer
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    duskyjoe wrote: »
    I don't wish to wade into a mire of political correctness but I have to agree with the comments of "my friend". Asylum and all mode of transport are a hot topic or even a hot potato for Europe these days and we as a country are no different. If this stopover for Etophain (who may I add are a top class and professional outfit) becomes becomes a common asylum issue at DUB, it certainly ratchets up the pressure for the airline and the authorities here going forward. Just my .2c
    my friend wrote: »
    Granted they can but here's an interesting statistic

    "In 2014, 221 persons claimed asylum at ports of entry having been refused leave to land''

    That's ALL ports of entry including Ships yet the inaugural flight results in >3% of 2014's total from just one flight.

    I would imagine the airline will be ratcheting up checks at Addis Ababa to ensure that this is kept to a minimum.

    Let's not jump to conclusions yet.

    As I said, this is a top class airline and they certainly will not want to be viewed in a bad light. They have a reputation to maintain.


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  • #82
    Avada
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    Whhat does our laws and what is the common aviation practices in these types of cases? Is it possiblet osay you've no visa so are being deported on the next available flight?

    A person can be refused leave to land under Section 4 of the Immigration Act 2004 and removed on next available flight. If they claim Asylum, they would then be allowed to enter and referred to the refugee applications commisioner (ORAC).


  • #83
    snubbleste
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    Will the airline be fined for allowing passengers to disembark without possible correct documentation?


  • #84
    Balf
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Will the airline be fined for allowing passengers to disembark without possible correct documentation?
    You'd hope they would. The accommodation cost alone for an asylum seeker seems to average about €12,500; so accommodating an extra seven people would be about €88,000 p.a.

    Which is a little bit more than the €2 charge for transfer passengers in Dublin Airport.

    They surely can't allow this kind of messing.


  • #85
    Avada
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Will the airline be fined for allowing passengers to disembark without possible correct documentation?

    Yes, its called carrier liability.


  • #86
    blackbird 49
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭blackbird 49


    my friend wrote: »
    And BANG there you have it

    7 asylum seekers on the inaugural flight!

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/unexpected-turbulence-at-dublin-airport-seven-passengers-on-inaugural-flight-from-ethiopia-claim-asylum-31332090.html

    I could see that coming, no surprise there


  • #87
    my friend
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Will the airline be fined for allowing passengers to disembark without possible correct documentation?

    Can't see a fine being imposed by an Irish Court that would recompense the Irish Taxpayer the actual costs involved


  • #88
    my friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭my friend


    blackbird 49 wrote: »
    I could see that coming, no surprise there

    I posted about it here in this thread 2 months ago and was labeled a xenophobe


  • #89
    eatmyshorts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    my friend wrote: »
    I posted about it here in this thread 2 months ago and was labeled a xenophobe

    Of course. If you're not a card carrying communist tree-hugging Tory-hating Guardian reader, then you must be a vile racist, xenophobic, homophobic bigot. Or so it seems to me!! :)


  • #90
    Faith+1
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    my friend wrote: »
    And BANG there you have it

    7 asylum seekers on the inaugural flight!

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/unexpected-turbulence-at-dublin-airport-seven-passengers-on-inaugural-flight-from-ethiopia-claim-asylum-31332090.html

    I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not. That's 7 more mouths to feed out of our tax dollars. Great news to start the weekend with.


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  • #91
    Balf
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    my friend wrote: »
    Can't see a fine being imposed by an Irish Court that would recompense the Irish Taxpayer the actual costs involved
    From what I can gather, the maximum fine under the Immigration Act 2003 is €3,000; not a lot in the scheme of things, and much less than the costs the Irish State is now faced with.


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