Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 02:10PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The idea here is that a business should ONLY exist if someone is 'desperate' for it. People consume without being desperate.

Not sure what your point is here really.

Seeing as you have climbed down, the statement of Germany being ignorant or conservative is officially cited as bull****. End if this part of the discussion unless you choose to present evidence.

Ehh, righto, as you please m'lady, since it's your official declaration and all. Again, and I'm not being smart here but I fail to see your point. Probably for the best we agree to park it then.

Freedom means forcing your morals on other people and mob mentality scaremongering now, does it?

Does it? That's news to me too. As far as I was concerned, people have the freedom to object to whatever the hell they like. That paper shop in Dublin for example, or the other printing business in Drogheda that were subjected to mob mentality tactics that almost drove them out of business. A sex shop is no different and shouldn't be held to a different standard just because you make an official declaration of what's common sense and what isn't, according to your own standards.

Daith · 23-06-2015 02:14PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That paper shop in Dublin for example, or the other printing business in Drogheda that were subjected to mob mentality tactics that almost drove them out of business.

Well you can quit making stuff up here.

Daintree: The owner admitted he was wrong and people chose not to shop there.

Priniting Business: Nothing happened there. People gave out about it but they're still in business.

"mob mentality" right.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

A sex shop is no different and shouldn't be held to a different standard just because you make an official declaration of what's common sense and what isn't, according to your own standards.

It is been held to a different standard despite not doing anything illegal.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:14PM

Jesus, Thought we were doing so well with the Marriage ref. Now were back to sex is dirty think of the children in-case they see something. I will let you in on a secret, Small children have no idea what a dildo is. I have a feeling it's more to stop the parents embarrassment.

osarusan · 23-06-2015 02:15PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

Who said anything about anybody 'needing' a sex shop in the area?

Why are you banging that drum?

Rough Sleeper · 23-06-2015 02:16PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That's a pretty straightforward question. I don't care who does or doesn't frequent the sex shop, I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

It's not like people in the community were lamenting the absence of one.

When is this ever a reasonable metric for whether or not a business should open up in a particular area? Do you think anyone in my area was desperate for a second chinese two minutes down the road from the first one, or desperate for a Mace to open up in the same arcade as Centra, or desperate for Lidl to appear across the road from Tesco? Is anyone desperate to see another three dozen burrito bars opening up in Dublin city centre? Should we only allow another café to open up if it receives a petition with 100,000 signatures and the heartfelt testimony of residents who can't bear to live life in its absence?

The question should be are there any reasonable objections to a legitimate business opening up wherever they wish, reasons that aren't based on misguided notions of ridiculously overprotective parents and outmoded social conservatives? Otherwise it's irrationality and bullying, not common sense, that win the day.

Rubberchikken · 23-06-2015 02:18PM

is the protest because it's an 'adult' shop or because it's opp a school?
can't see what they're getting their pants in a knot over - there's a lot worse visible on tv, net, ads, videos etc. you'd think they'd be happy to save on the postage.

ScumLord · 23-06-2015 02:18PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well that's not the question I asked. You even quoted the question I asked, and then asked a completely different question. Here's the question again -

That's a pretty straightforward question. I don't care who does or doesn't frequent the sex shop, I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

It's not like people in the community were lamenting the absence of one.

Desperation has nothing to do with setting up a shop. Who's desperate enough for CDs that a HMV should open on the same street? Nobody, so HMV shouldn't be allowed to open a shop. It's nonsensical. Apple wouldn't ask "who's desperate for an iPhone, we haven't invented it yet so nobody, lets not release it".

To say people are desperate for a sex shop to open implies they're some sort of sexual deviant that can't wait the 3 days it would take to order a dildo over the internet because their last one is worn out.

This is basically an online shop, it sounded like at best they were hoping to use the shop as a collection point for people in Dublin. If the concerned parents hadn't made such an issue out of it the shop would have gone unnoticed by all but the people who where looking for a sex shop. Now the shop has national press (maybe even some international "look at the prudish paddies" press), all the concern parents have done is promote the shop.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 02:22PM

osarusan wrote: »

Who said anything about anybody 'needing' a sex shop in the area?

Why are you banging that drum?

Well some posters here seem adamant that there should have been a sex shop allowed to be opened in the area, but the people themselves who actually live in the area don't actually want it, so I'm asking why do people see this sex shop as a particular necessity in an area where the people that live there don't actually want it. The guy who was going to open the shop there saw that it was a bad idea, so why are people here still saying that the people who live there had no right to object to it opening?

I just don't see why people are making such a big deal of the fact that people who are actually living in the area didn't want a sex shop in the area. It's not like he couldn't locate his premises elsewhere.

Daith · 23-06-2015 02:25PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That paper shop in Dublin for example, or the other printing business in Drogheda that were subjected to mob mentality tactics that almost drove them out of business.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I just don't see why people are making such a big deal of the fact that people who are actually living in the area didn't want a sex shop in the area. It's not like he couldn't locate his premises elsewhere.

Would you accuse the people who objected of "mob mentality" driving a company out of business before they even start?

syklops · 23-06-2015 02:26PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't get the desperate line of thinking. There's an off-licence down the road from a school here. Business don't close because people aren't "desperate" to use it. Anyway we're not the market so how would we know who uses it?

Assuming its not a niche fetish shop, Id say there are plenty of users of this market on boards. I'd say most women have some form of implement they use and many men do as well. As its been said before, its not 1970 anymore.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:27PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well some posters here seem adamant that there should have been a sex shop allowed to be opened in the area, but the people themselves who actually live in the area don't actually want it, so I'm asking why do people see this sex shop as a particular necessity in an area where the people that live there don't actually want it. The guy who was going to open the shop there saw that it was a bad idea, so why are people here still saying that the people who live there had no right to object to it opening?

I just don't see why people are making such a big deal of the fact that people who are actually living in the area didn't want a sex shop in the area. It's not like he couldn't locate his premises elsewhere.

I don't think the law works that way, You cannot stop a shop from opening. You could object to planning permission if one was been built. But I don't think reason for objection to new building "sex shop" would get anywhere. Are people being forced to go into the shop ? I would assume it would be a fairly standard shop plain fronting, do they beam out sex rays and make people sex mad ?

Daith · 23-06-2015 02:29PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I don't think the law works that way, You cannot stop a shop from opening. You could object to planning permission if one was been built. But I don't think reason for objection to new building "sex shop" would get anywhere. Are people being forced to go into the shop ?

Quite frankly I'd say most of the parents don't even bother checking what their angels look at on the Internet.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 02:30PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Desperation has nothing to do with setting up a shop. Who's desperate enough for CDs that a HMV should open on the same street? Nobody, so HMV shouldn't be allowed to open a shop. It's nonsensical. Apple wouldn't ask "who's desperate for an iPhone, we haven't invented it yet so nobody, lets not release it".

Could you have picked a worse example of a dying market? So dead in fact that HMV themselves had to pull out of Ireland because people don't really buy music on CD any more, they buy it on, funnily enough, iTunes, digital downloads.

To say people are desperate for a sex shop to open implies they're some sort of sexual deviant that can't wait the 3 days it would take to order a dildo over the internet because their last one is worn out.

Well if that's the way you want to read it, fair enough. I hadn't implied any such thing by suggesting that there's obviously no demand in the area for a sex shop. Quite the opposite in fact as it turns out.

This is basically an online shop, it sounded like at best they were hoping to use the shop as a collection point for people in Dublin. If the concerned parents hadn't made such an issue out of it the shop would have gone unnoticed by all but the people who where looking for a sex shop. Now the shop has national press (maybe even some international "look at the prudish paddies" press), all the concern parents have done is promote the shop.

Sure, I get what it was meant to be, and it turns out that people, not just parents but also local retailers and residents in the area, didn't want it in their community. I doubt the people in the community care what the national or international media thinks of them tbh. It's not like Drumcondra is the be-all and end-all of Irish society, and there are plenty of sex shops in Dublin if supply is an issue for some people.

eviltwin · 23-06-2015 02:30PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well some posters here seem adamant that there should have been a sex shop allowed to be opened in the area, but the people themselves who actually live in the area don't actually want it, so I'm asking why do people see this sex shop as a particular necessity in an area where the people that live there don't actually want it. The guy who was going to open the shop there saw that it was a bad idea, so why are people here still saying that the people who live there had no right to object to it opening?

I just don't see why people are making such a big deal of the fact that people who are actually living in the area didn't want a sex shop in the area. It's not like he couldn't locate his premises elsewhere.

How many people do you think are protesting? Since when do a few parents represent the views of the entire community?

syklops · 23-06-2015 02:30PM

I work just next to Camden Street which has a sex shop, which is right around the corner from DIT. On my way to work I see all kinds of shenanigans, but its never, from what I can see, as a result of the sex shop.

Daith · 23-06-2015 02:32PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Could you have picked a worse example of a dying market? So dead in fact that HMV themselves had to pull out of Ireland because people don't really buy music on CD any more, they buy it on, funnily enough, iTunes, digital downloads.

Didn't HMV have a massive relaunch on Grafton St last week?

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:33PM

eviltwin wrote: »

How many people do you think are protesting? Since when do a few parents represent the views of the entire community?

Nail head, Until the present a 10k signed objection for example I would go with the local clergy/few parents.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:33PM

Daith wrote: »

Didn't HMV have a massive relaunch on Grafton St last week?

And Dundrum

Daith · 23-06-2015 02:34PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And Dundrum

Yeah but who in the Dundrum community demanded a shop peddling filth like "The Best of Snow Patrol"? I demand answers.

gramar · 23-06-2015 02:37PM

Daith wrote: »

Didn't HMV have a massive relaunch on Grafton St last week?

They did but it's no longer His Master's Voice. It's now Her Moist Vagina and they'll be giving Ann Summers and Playblue a run for their money.

Daith · 23-06-2015 02:38PM

gramar wrote: »

They did but it's no longer His Master's Voice. It's now Her Moist Vagina and they'll be giving Ann Summers and Playblue a run for the their money.

Or they'll sell 18+ video games to the innocent Drumcondra angels.

Greenmachine · 23-06-2015 02:40PM

Never under estimate the strength of pester power. A certain well known strip club was forced to close on Parnell street. I won't even go into the objections that came up in that situation.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:41PM

Daith wrote: »

Or they'll sell 18+ video games to the innocent Drumcondra angels.

And everyone know's you can't find porn on the internet. Would they let the Internet into Dumcondra anyway as it peddles filth ?

aloyisious · 23-06-2015 02:42PM

It seem's the moral majority who called for the closure of Stringfellows haven't gone away, you know.

seamus · 23-06-2015 02:45PM

Considering there's a tonne of strip clubs in Dublin and one well known on one of the capital's busiest streets, I'm going to say that the downfall of Stringfellows was about more than a few biddies kneeling outside it.

The location not least wouldn't have inspired the kind of patronage who could afford to splash out there.

Rough Sleeper · 23-06-2015 02:47PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well some posters here seem adamant that there should have been a sex shop allowed to be opened in the area, but the people themselves who actually live in the area don't actually want it, so I'm asking why do people see this sex shop as a particular necessity in an area where the people that live there don't actually want it. The guy who was going to open the shop there saw that it was a bad idea, so why are people here still saying that the people who live there had no right to object to it opening?

I just don't see why people are making such a big deal of the fact that people who are actually living in the area didn't want a sex shop in the area. It's not like he couldn't locate his premises elsewhere.

You have an unbalanced situation here where you're not going to see many people coming out in favour of this shop opening as they'd be viewed by some as sexual deviants. I assume this is how the protesters view the potential clientele given the fact that the goods would not be on display and children would not get past the door. The majority of my friends live in Drumcondra and they'd be happy to see it open. You're misusing the concept of demand in this case. Demand for the service would not be determined by summing the number of people who expressedly ask for it against the number of busybodies who are expressedly against it. The demand for this service would be evaluated by its success or lack thereof.

Nobody said that the protesters don't have the right to object, they think that they have no justifiable reason for doing so and thus their objections amount to bullying. To me this looks like people protesting the opening of an Indian takeaway because they think that people from South Asia stink of curry. The Westboro Baptist Church have every right to to picket the funerals of dead soldiers in their home country, doesn't mean that their motivations aren't ****e.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:47PM

osarusan wrote: »

Where did anybody say that it was a necessity to have the shop in that location?

People from the 1950s that don't know what the Internet is.

osarusan · 23-06-2015 02:49PM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

You have an unbalanced situation here where you're not going to see many people coming out in favour of this shop opening as they'd be viewed by some as sexual deviants.

Which is the whole point of the "who's so desperate they need a sex shop in the area?" line of argument.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 02:53PM

osarusan wrote: »

Which is the whole point of the "who's so desperate they need a sex shop in the area?" line of argument.

To be fair I don't think they realise it will probably be more of a storage/delivery shop than a 100% walk in walk around shop.

Mightydrumming · 23-06-2015 03:00PM

If the parents though it through, they wouldn't of went to the media and held protests etc... If they shut their mouths it wouldn't of got to this stage. I might start up my own shop because this guys marketing strategy is mighty!

Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

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