Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

gramar · 23-06-2015 11:17AM

Sweet shops. Places were kids can go an buy as much brightly wrapped
sugary treats as they want, fattening their arses and rotting their teeth,
causing obesity, diabetes and liver problems amongst others.

Best of all it's all perfectly legal and happening right in front of our
noses, even in schools.

I've yet to see a protest outside a sweet shop demanding it's closure.

ScumLord · 23-06-2015 11:24AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Why don't people get on their high horses about betting shops and shock horror...pubs?

Shh, now that the sex shop is closed they might just go after the betting shops and pubs now.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 11:25AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You quoted what i said you quoted and then clarified nothing.

I didn't ask "were people desperate enough", I asked WHO is really that desperate that they need a sex shop in the vicinity of a primary school in their community?

I'd say there aren't many people that desperate for a sex shop near a school in any community.

No tough anything on my part - I got the hell out - mainly because i like to live in a free and open-minded society where mindless mob mentality doesn't get to dictate economuc or social policy and is largely ignored and treated like the scaremongering ignorance it is.

Heh, you're living in Germany Princess, the capital of European conservatism, where the Christian Democratic Union Party headed by Angela Merkel gets to dictate exactly economic and social policy and scaremongering ignorance is pretty much their stock in trade.

gramar · 23-06-2015 11:27AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Heh, you're living in Germany Princess, the capital of European conservatism, where the Christian Democratic Union Party headed by Angela Merkel gets to dictate exactly economic and social policy and scaremongering ignorance is pretty much their stock in trade.

The germans do some fairly funky stuff when it comes (excuse pun) to sex and porn. So I've been told.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 11:35AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I didn't ask "were people desperate enough", I asked WHO is really that desperate that they need a sex shop in the vicinity of a primary school in their community?

I'd say there aren't many people that desperate for a sex shop near a school in any community.

Heh, you're living in Germany Princess, the capital of European conservatism, where the Christian Democratic Union Party headed by Angela Merkel gets to dictate exactly economic and social policy and scaremongering ignorance is pretty much their stock in trade.

If people aren't desperate, then what's the problem?

Elaborate, please, on how Berlin is a) conservative and b) ignorant.

eviltwin · 23-06-2015 12:05PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It's not as though another business can't move in there? Who's really that desperate that they need a sex shop in the same vicinity as a primary school in their community?

Why is its location an issue? It's fairly innocent looking by all accounts, the kids wouldn't even notice it only for this brouhaha.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 12:08PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

If people aren't desperate, then what's the problem?

What is the problem with people saying they're not desperate enough to want a sex shop in their community? You tell me what your problem is, rather than trying to suggest I'm the person has a problem. The fact people don't want it is a problem for you, not for me.

Elaborate, please, on how Berlin is a) conservative and b) ignorant.

I said Germany. Berlin is only one city in Germany. If that's not enough elaborating for you, I don't know what you want? Is German social and economic policy not what you were referring to then?

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 12:15PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Why is its location an issue? It's fairly innocent looking by all accounts, the kids wouldn't even notice it only for this brouhaha.

Because people don't want a sex shop near a primary school. That's why the location is an issue. I don't know how innocent looking it is as the proprietor hadn't even opened the shop before he changed his mind, saying that he wasn't in the business of upsetting people.

The children won't notice it at all now. Not a bad thing IMO. Sex shops are an outdated concept when people can shop online for whatever they want and get much better value for their money. Important lesson in economics and marketing being taught to adults there really.

steddyeddy · 23-06-2015 12:30PM

One Eyed Jack you're thinking of Bavaria maybe? Germany is not conservative when it comes to sex.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 12:35PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What is the problem with people saying they're not desperate enough to want a sex shop in their community? You tell me what your problem is, rather than trying to suggest I'm the person has a problem. The fact people don't want it is a problem for you, not for me.

Shops don't open because someone is "desperate" - they open to provide a serice which people can use or not use as they see fit. And - this being the kicker - just becuse it opens nea ra school doesn;t make the more desperate.

If there was an issue of safety regarding the kids, I'd see your point, but there simply isn't, no matter how much you try to dress it up as such.

I said Germany. Berlin is only one city in Germany. If that's not enough elaborating for you, I don't know what you want? Is German social and economic policy not what you were referring to then?

Germany, like the US, is governed both on a federal level and a state level. I like in Berlin, so I can only comment on Berlin.

What I'd like is some elaboration on your claim that that Germay is ignorant and conservartive. Seeing as you asked, let's limit this to federal social policy related specifically to it's attitudes regarding the sex industry and regarding children and families. Cheers.

steddyeddy · 23-06-2015 12:42PM

I don't get the desperate line of thinking. There's an off-licence down the road from a school here. Business don't close because people aren't "desperate" to use it. Anyway we're not the market so how would we know who uses it?

eviltwin · 23-06-2015 12:43PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because people don't want a sex shop near a primary school. That's why the location is an issue. I don't know how innocent looking it is as the proprietor hadn't even opened the shop before he changed his mind, saying that he wasn't in the business of upsetting people.

The children won't notice it at all now. Not a bad thing IMO. Sex shops are an outdated concept when people can shop online for whatever they want and get much better value for their money. Important lesson in economics and marketing being taught to adults there really.

The owner himself says it is just a warehouse for online sales items. I doubt very much he will have anything on public display that will draw attention to the nature of the business. I don't see how it's proximity to a school is a problem.

ScumLord · 23-06-2015 12:45PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because people don't want a sex shop near a primary school. That's why the location is an issue. I don't know how innocent looking it is as the proprietor hadn't even opened the shop before he changed his mind, saying that he wasn't in the business of upsetting people.

The children won't notice it at all now. Not a bad thing IMO. Sex shops are an outdated concept when people can shop online for whatever they want and get much better value for their money. Important lesson in economics and marketing being taught to adults there really.

This is an online sex shop, they still need somewhere to store their stock. Just because something is sold online doesn't mean it just magically appears out of thin air when you order it. So it makes good financial sense to turn your storage space into a sales point.

I also don't see how sex shops are outdated, they're only being introduced to Ireland recently. Your view of sex shops is obviously outdated, because you're describing a business that's nothing like a modern sex shop.

syklops · 23-06-2015 12:52PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

So, we don't want our son to see the **** in the window or to encounter creepy characters that might be drawn to the shop.

I would have thought the school itself would attract more creepy and potentially dangerous characters than some aould lad buying a bit of lube.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 12:58PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Shops don't open because someone is "desperate" - they open to provide a serice which people can use or not use as they see fit. And - this being the kicker - just becuse it opens nea ra school doesn;t make the more desperate.

Businesses offer their services and products to the public. If members of the public don't want the business in their community, they have every right to object to it. The business owner had every right to ignore them, he chose the wiser course of action in this instance IMO.

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

If there was an issue of safety regarding the kids, I'd see your point, but there simply isn't, no matter how much you try to dress it up as such.

I didn't try to dress up any issue about safety regarding children? No wonder then you can't see the point of an argument I never made.

Germany, like the US, is governed both on a federal level and a state level. I like in Berlin, so I can only comment on Berlin.

What I'd like is some elaboration on your claim that that Germay is ignorant and conservartive. Seeing as you asked, let's limit this to federal social policy related specifically to it's attitudes regarding the sex industry and regarding children and families. Cheers.

Thanks for the politics tutorial, I'm sure it's useful to someone else, so how about instead of playing "Where in the World?" and trying to limit the discussion to your own parameters that suit you, we try and keep it somewhat on topic with regard to the opening (or not now any more) of a sex shop in Drumcondra, and you tell me why your opinion should over-ride the opinions of residents and retailers that actually live there and do their business in the community and send their children to the local primary school there?

Ghost Buster · 23-06-2015 12:59PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

The owners of the online shop Playblue have opened a bricks and mortar shop in Drumcondra right opposite to a boys primary school. RTE News sent cameras down and there was dozens of concerned parents protesting outside, backed up by FG politicians. They're outraged that an adult shop is setting up so close to a school and want it shut down. The shop owner responds to them by saying there is nothing in his shop that cannot be found by any child on a smartphone.
Drumcondra is home to the Archbishop of Dublin and much of the senior Catholic clergy, I'm sticking the popcorn on for this one :pac:

Adults project their perception of things onto their children. Kids only react to things based upon how they perceive their parents react. My 9 year old recently asked my wife and i about the 'gay marriage' referendum about which the 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN' crap was rampant. We explained very simply that some men love men and some women love women and want to marry them.
His head didnt explode.
Chances are these school kids wouldnt have even noticed the new shop if their hysterical parents didnt draw attention to it. Now that they have simply be a parent and tell them (in carefully selected language of course) what it is. They wont give a monkeys.

ScumLord · 23-06-2015 01:09PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

Why is someone that wants to use the services of a bricks and mortar sex shop desperate?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 01:15PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

I've actually answered it twice: once by saying that it didn;t open because people are "desperate" and once by saying that no one is desperate and therefore no one was it risk.

The question implies that it was located near a school for this specific purpose. When you can prove that someone placed it there because someone else is desperate enough for it to be in that specifci lcoation, it remains a rhetorical question. That you asked.

If no one is desperate enough, then no-one is at risk; hence the accusations of scaremongering.

Rhetorical question answered.

Thanks for the politics tutorial, I'm sure it's useful to someone else, so how about instead of playing "Where in the World?" and trying to limit the discussion to your own parameters that suit you, we try and keep it somewhat on topic with regard to the opening (or not now any more) of a sex shop in Drumcondra, and you tell me why your opinion should over-ride the opinions of residents and retailers that actually live there and do their business in the community and send their children to the local primary school there?

You're the one who said Germany was conservative and ignorant. You're the one who implied the whole country and not just Berlin.
You're the one who edxpanded the paramaters.
Now you're the one trying to backtrack on that and "limit the discussion"?

I see this as a climb-down from that statement on the social polices of Germany by someone who has no idea what such policies are and as such, should not have made such an unresearched statement in the first place. At least until you present further evidence or backup of opinion.

My opinion shouldn't override anything. Common sense and freedom should.

pmasterson95 · 23-06-2015 01:17PM

Didnt "Peter Dinklage character in GOT" make some comment about his choking the one eyed snake? Now one eyed jack is complaining about sex shops? I sense these "one eyed" things dont like sex much..

pmasterson95 · 23-06-2015 01:18PM

Didnt "Peter Dinklage character in GOT" make some comment about his choking the one eyed snake? Now one eyed jack is complaining about sex shops? I sense these "one eyed" things dont like sex much..

RDM_83 again · 23-06-2015 01:18PM

ScumLord wrote: »

From what I remember on the Newstalk interview of the owner of the shop the majority of their customers are women.

I really don't know why Irish people hold onto this 1990s action film like good guys and bad guys view of the world.

I'd guess thats the majority of male order customers to be fair. I'd imagine the locals are more used to seeing the ones on Dorset street which (very close by) as a previous poster pointed out are grim and dubious (I had noticed a lot of parked taxi's on that stretch lol).
To me its not really that much of an issue of restricting and classifying peoples desires since there is a whole street of them within easy distance.
I don't think its a big deal having areas that are more family oriented, I'd imagine most European countries would tend to be the same, Germany does have tons of adult shops to the point where its probably an outlier, was in a small airport that had one for some reason???

sbsquarepants · 23-06-2015 01:22PM

You're all missing the point - they want the shopped moved so they can nip in and pick up the new super delux anal intruder without fear of little timothy or his mates seeing them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 01:24PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You're all missing the point - they want the shopped moved so they can nip in and pick up the new super delux anal intruder without fear of little timothy or his mates seeing them.

... or bumping into little Timothy's Mum or Dad inside the shop.

Call Me Jimmy · 23-06-2015 01:39PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

We explained very simply that some men love men and some women love women and want to marry them.
His head didnt explode.

Ha it's funny how simple something can be when ye strip away all the ****e. So that's how it is in your child's head atm. And that's only about a generation or two from 'QWUUEEEEEAAARRRS'

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 01:41PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I've actually answered it twice: once by saying that it didn;t open because people are "desperate" and once by saying that no one is desperate and therefore no one was it risk.

The question implies that it was located near a school for this specific purpose. When you can prove that someone placed it there because someone else is desperate enough for it to be in that specifci lcoation, it remains a rhetorical question. That you asked.

If no one is desperate enough, then no-one is at risk; hence the accusations of scaremongering.

Rhetorical question answered.

So nobody is desperate for it, therefore it is unnecessary and could be located elsewhere. Grand, glad we seem to have got that much sorted.

You're the one who said Germany was conservative and ignorant. You're the one who implied the whole country and not just Berlin.
You're the one who edxpanded the paramaters.
Now you're the one trying to backtrack on that and "limit the discussion"?

I see this as a climb-down from that statement on the social polices of Germany by someone who has no idea what such policies are and as such, should not have made such an unresearched statement in the first place. At least until you present further evidence or backup of opinion.

Here now, you started the round the world trip with this -

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Considering there are sex shops all over the place here (Berlin) and no one gives a toss where they are in relation to schools and so on, perehaps you could ask said Mrs as to why are Irish kids more suscpetible than German kids?

I went with it to see where you were going, and you ended up hopping from Germany to the US and really I figured at that point you were going to end up in Saudi Arabia as the usual "go-to" destination when something else doesn't suit your argument. I simply reined it back in rather than entertain any more nonsense.

My opinion shouldn't override anything. Common sense and freedom should.

Common sense and freedom did prevail, and yet you still have a problem? Some people are never satisfied.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 01:47PM

ScumLord wrote: »

This is an online sex shop, they still need somewhere to store their stock. Just because something is sold online doesn't mean it just magically appears out of thin air when you order it. So it makes good financial sense to turn your storage space into a sales point.

So like I said already - the business isn't location dependent and can be easily located elsewhere.

I also don't see how sex shops are outdated, they're only being introduced to Ireland recently. Your view of sex shops is obviously outdated, because you're describing a business that's nothing like a modern sex shop.

How recently is recent? 30 years? That's as long as they've been in the UK either really, and Ann Summers in the UK suffered a massive drop in profits last year I think it was and had to revise their business model because like many retailers, the bricks-and-mortar sex shops just aren't making any real money any more.

http://www.retail-week.com/sectors/fashion/ann-summers-falls-into-the-red-with-36m-full-year-loss/5067640.article

eviltwin · 23-06-2015 01:50PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So like I said already - the business isn't location dependent and can be easily located elsewhere.

How recently is recent? 30 years? That's as long as they've been in the UK either really, and Ann Summers in the UK suffered a massive drop in profits last year I think it was and had to revise their business model because like many retailers, the bricks-and-mortar sex shops just aren't making any real money any more.

http://www.retail-week.com/sectors/fashion/ann-summers-falls-into-the-red-with-36m-full-year-loss/5067640.article

Why should it be located elsewhere? The owner obviously picked that space for a reason, he might live nearby, rent might have been good etc. Why should he move just because of a few over protective parents? What harm is there having the shop there ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 01:51PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So nobody is desperate for it, therefore it is unnecessary and could be located elsewhere. Grand, glad we seem to have got that much sorted.

The idea here is that a business should ONLY exist if someone is 'desperate' for it. People consume without being desperate.

Here now, you started the round the world trip with this -

I went with it to see where you were going, and you ended up hopping from Germany to the US and really I figured at that point you were going to end up in Saudi Arabia as the usual "go-to" destination when something else doesn't suit your argument. I simply reined it back in rather than entertain any more nonsense.

Seeing as you have climbed down, the statement of Germany being ignorant or conservative is officially cited as bull****. End if this part of the discussion unless you choose to present evidence.

Common sense and freedom did prevail, and yet you still have a problem? Some people are never satisfied.

Freedom means forcing your morals on other people and mob mentality scaremongering now, does it?

NachoBusiness · 23-06-2015 01:56PM

The complainers will probably be successful, one way or t'other, as it will no doubt negatively impact business to the point where staying there won't be viable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1524116/Stringfellow-club-fails-in-Dublin-after-protests.html

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 01:59PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Why is someone that wants to use the services of a bricks and mortar sex shop desperate?

Well that's not the question I asked. You even quoted the question I asked, and then asked a completely different question. Here's the question again -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

That's a pretty straightforward question. I don't care who does or doesn't frequent the sex shop, I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

It's not like people in the community were lamenting the absence of one.

Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

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