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Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

Muahahaha

The owners of the online shop Playblue have opened a bricks and mortar shop in Drumcondra right opposite to a boys primary school. RTE News sent cameras down and there was dozens of concerned parents protesting outside, backed up by FG politicians. They're outraged that an adult shop is setting up so close to a school and want it shut down. The shop owner responds to them by saying there is nothing in his shop that cannot be found by any child on a smartphone.
Drumcondra is home to the Archbishop of Dublin and much of the senior Catholic clergy, I'm sticking the popcorn on for this one :pac:

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ScumLord

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well that's not the question I asked. You even quoted the question I asked, and then asked a completely different question. Here's the question again -

That's a pretty straightforward question. I don't care who does or doesn't frequent the sex shop, I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

It's not like people in the community were lamenting the absence of one.

Desperation has nothing to do with setting up a shop. Who's desperate enough for CDs that a HMV should open on the same street? Nobody, so HMV shouldn't be allowed to open a shop. It's nonsensical. Apple wouldn't ask "who's desperate for an iPhone, we haven't invented it yet so nobody, lets not release it".

To say people are desperate for a sex shop to open implies they're some sort of sexual deviant that can't wait the 3 days it would take to order a dildo over the internet because their last one is worn out.

This is basically an online shop, it sounded like at best they were hoping to use the shop as a collection point for people in Dublin. If the concerned parents hadn't made such an issue out of it the shop would have gone unnoticed by all but the people who where looking for a sex shop. Now the shop has national press (maybe even some international "look at the prudish paddies" press), all the concern parents have done is promote the shop.

Rubberchikken

is the protest because it's an 'adult' shop or because it's opp a school?
can't see what they're getting their pants in a knot over - there's a lot worse visible on tv, net, ads, videos etc. you'd think they'd be happy to save on the postage.

Rough Sleeper

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That's a pretty straightforward question. I don't care who does or doesn't frequent the sex shop, I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

It's not like people in the community were lamenting the absence of one.

When is this ever a reasonable metric for whether or not a business should open up in a particular area? Do you think anyone in my area was desperate for a second chinese two minutes down the road from the first one, or desperate for a Mace to open up in the same arcade as Centra, or desperate for Lidl to appear across the road from Tesco? Is anyone desperate to see another three dozen burrito bars opening up in Dublin city centre? Should we only allow another café to open up if it receives a petition with 100,000 signatures and the heartfelt testimony of residents who can't bear to live life in its absence?

The question should be are there any reasonable objections to a legitimate business opening up wherever they wish, reasons that aren't based on misguided notions of ridiculously overprotective parents and outmoded social conservatives? Otherwise it's irrationality and bullying, not common sense, that win the day.

osarusan

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

Who said anything about anybody 'needing' a sex shop in the area?

Why are you banging that drum?

darkpagandeath

Jesus, Thought we were doing so well with the Marriage ref. Now were back to sex is dirty think of the children in-case they see something. I will let you in on a secret, Small children have no idea what a dildo is. I have a feeling it's more to stop the parents embarrassment.

Daith

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That paper shop in Dublin for example, or the other printing business in Drogheda that were subjected to mob mentality tactics that almost drove them out of business.

Well you can quit making stuff up here.

Daintree: The owner admitted he was wrong and people chose not to shop there.

Priniting Business: Nothing happened there. People gave out about it but they're still in business.

"mob mentality" right.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

A sex shop is no different and shouldn't be held to a different standard just because you make an official declaration of what's common sense and what isn't, according to your own standards.

It is been held to a different standard despite not doing anything illegal.

One eyed Jack

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The idea here is that a business should ONLY exist if someone is 'desperate' for it. People consume without being desperate.

Not sure what your point is here really.

Seeing as you have climbed down, the statement of Germany being ignorant or conservative is officially cited as bull****. End if this part of the discussion unless you choose to present evidence.

Ehh, righto, as you please m'lady, since it's your official declaration and all. Again, and I'm not being smart here but I fail to see your point. Probably for the best we agree to park it then.

Freedom means forcing your morals on other people and mob mentality scaremongering now, does it?

Does it? That's news to me too. As far as I was concerned, people have the freedom to object to whatever the hell they like. That paper shop in Dublin for example, or the other printing business in Drogheda that were subjected to mob mentality tactics that almost drove them out of business. A sex shop is no different and shouldn't be held to a different standard just because you make an official declaration of what's common sense and what isn't, according to your own standards.

One eyed Jack

ScumLord wrote: »

Why is someone that wants to use the services of a bricks and mortar sex shop desperate?

Well that's not the question I asked. You even quoted the question I asked, and then asked a completely different question. Here's the question again -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

That's a pretty straightforward question. I don't care who does or doesn't frequent the sex shop, I'm asking who in the community is so desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

It's not like people in the community were lamenting the absence of one.

NachoBusiness

The complainers will probably be successful, one way or t'other, as it will no doubt negatively impact business to the point where staying there won't be viable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1524116/Stringfellow-club-fails-in-Dublin-after-protests.html

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So nobody is desperate for it, therefore it is unnecessary and could be located elsewhere. Grand, glad we seem to have got that much sorted.

The idea here is that a business should ONLY exist if someone is 'desperate' for it. People consume without being desperate.

Here now, you started the round the world trip with this -

I went with it to see where you were going, and you ended up hopping from Germany to the US and really I figured at that point you were going to end up in Saudi Arabia as the usual "go-to" destination when something else doesn't suit your argument. I simply reined it back in rather than entertain any more nonsense.

Seeing as you have climbed down, the statement of Germany being ignorant or conservative is officially cited as bull****. End if this part of the discussion unless you choose to present evidence.

Common sense and freedom did prevail, and yet you still have a problem? Some people are never satisfied.

Freedom means forcing your morals on other people and mob mentality scaremongering now, does it?

eviltwin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So like I said already - the business isn't location dependent and can be easily located elsewhere.

How recently is recent? 30 years? That's as long as they've been in the UK either really, and Ann Summers in the UK suffered a massive drop in profits last year I think it was and had to revise their business model because like many retailers, the bricks-and-mortar sex shops just aren't making any real money any more.

http://www.retail-week.com/sectors/fashion/ann-summers-falls-into-the-red-with-36m-full-year-loss/5067640.article

Why should it be located elsewhere? The owner obviously picked that space for a reason, he might live nearby, rent might have been good etc. Why should he move just because of a few over protective parents? What harm is there having the shop there ?

One eyed Jack

ScumLord wrote: »

This is an online sex shop, they still need somewhere to store their stock. Just because something is sold online doesn't mean it just magically appears out of thin air when you order it. So it makes good financial sense to turn your storage space into a sales point.

So like I said already - the business isn't location dependent and can be easily located elsewhere.

I also don't see how sex shops are outdated, they're only being introduced to Ireland recently. Your view of sex shops is obviously outdated, because you're describing a business that's nothing like a modern sex shop.

How recently is recent? 30 years? That's as long as they've been in the UK either really, and Ann Summers in the UK suffered a massive drop in profits last year I think it was and had to revise their business model because like many retailers, the bricks-and-mortar sex shops just aren't making any real money any more.

http://www.retail-week.com/sectors/fashion/ann-summers-falls-into-the-red-with-36m-full-year-loss/5067640.article

One eyed Jack

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I've actually answered it twice: once by saying that it didn;t open because people are "desperate" and once by saying that no one is desperate and therefore no one was it risk.

The question implies that it was located near a school for this specific purpose. When you can prove that someone placed it there because someone else is desperate enough for it to be in that specifci lcoation, it remains a rhetorical question. That you asked.

If no one is desperate enough, then no-one is at risk; hence the accusations of scaremongering.

Rhetorical question answered.

So nobody is desperate for it, therefore it is unnecessary and could be located elsewhere. Grand, glad we seem to have got that much sorted.

You're the one who said Germany was conservative and ignorant. You're the one who implied the whole country and not just Berlin.
You're the one who edxpanded the paramaters.
Now you're the one trying to backtrack on that and "limit the discussion"?

I see this as a climb-down from that statement on the social polices of Germany by someone who has no idea what such policies are and as such, should not have made such an unresearched statement in the first place. At least until you present further evidence or backup of opinion.

Here now, you started the round the world trip with this -

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Considering there are sex shops all over the place here (Berlin) and no one gives a toss where they are in relation to schools and so on, perehaps you could ask said Mrs as to why are Irish kids more suscpetible than German kids?

I went with it to see where you were going, and you ended up hopping from Germany to the US and really I figured at that point you were going to end up in Saudi Arabia as the usual "go-to" destination when something else doesn't suit your argument. I simply reined it back in rather than entertain any more nonsense.

My opinion shouldn't override anything. Common sense and freedom should.

Common sense and freedom did prevail, and yet you still have a problem? Some people are never satisfied.

Call Me Jimmy

Ghost Buster wrote: »

We explained very simply that some men love men and some women love women and want to marry them.
His head didnt explode.

Ha it's funny how simple something can be when ye strip away all the ****e. So that's how it is in your child's head atm. And that's only about a generation or two from 'QWUUEEEEEAAARRRS'

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sbsquarepants wrote: »

You're all missing the point - they want the shopped moved so they can nip in and pick up the new super delux anal intruder without fear of little timothy or his mates seeing them.

... or bumping into little Timothy's Mum or Dad inside the shop.

sbsquarepants

You're all missing the point - they want the shopped moved so they can nip in and pick up the new super delux anal intruder without fear of little timothy or his mates seeing them.

RDM_83 again

ScumLord wrote: »

From what I remember on the Newstalk interview of the owner of the shop the majority of their customers are women.

I really don't know why Irish people hold onto this 1990s action film like good guys and bad guys view of the world.

I'd guess thats the majority of male order customers to be fair. I'd imagine the locals are more used to seeing the ones on Dorset street which (very close by) as a previous poster pointed out are grim and dubious (I had noticed a lot of parked taxi's on that stretch lol).
To me its not really that much of an issue of restricting and classifying peoples desires since there is a whole street of them within easy distance.
I don't think its a big deal having areas that are more family oriented, I'd imagine most European countries would tend to be the same, Germany does have tons of adult shops to the point where its probably an outlier, was in a small airport that had one for some reason???

pmasterson95

Didnt "Peter Dinklage character in GOT" make some comment about his choking the one eyed snake? Now one eyed jack is complaining about sex shops? I sense these "one eyed" things dont like sex much..

pmasterson95

Didnt "Peter Dinklage character in GOT" make some comment about his choking the one eyed snake? Now one eyed jack is complaining about sex shops? I sense these "one eyed" things dont like sex much..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

I've actually answered it twice: once by saying that it didn;t open because people are "desperate" and once by saying that no one is desperate and therefore no one was it risk.

The question implies that it was located near a school for this specific purpose. When you can prove that someone placed it there because someone else is desperate enough for it to be in that specifci lcoation, it remains a rhetorical question. That you asked.

If no one is desperate enough, then no-one is at risk; hence the accusations of scaremongering.

Rhetorical question answered.

Thanks for the politics tutorial, I'm sure it's useful to someone else, so how about instead of playing "Where in the World?" and trying to limit the discussion to your own parameters that suit you, we try and keep it somewhat on topic with regard to the opening (or not now any more) of a sex shop in Drumcondra, and you tell me why your opinion should over-ride the opinions of residents and retailers that actually live there and do their business in the community and send their children to the local primary school there?

You're the one who said Germany was conservative and ignorant. You're the one who implied the whole country and not just Berlin.
You're the one who edxpanded the paramaters.
Now you're the one trying to backtrack on that and "limit the discussion"?

I see this as a climb-down from that statement on the social polices of Germany by someone who has no idea what such policies are and as such, should not have made such an unresearched statement in the first place. At least until you present further evidence or backup of opinion.

My opinion shouldn't override anything. Common sense and freedom should.

ScumLord

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

Why is someone that wants to use the services of a bricks and mortar sex shop desperate?

Ghost Buster

Muahahaha wrote: »

The owners of the online shop Playblue have opened a bricks and mortar shop in Drumcondra right opposite to a boys primary school. RTE News sent cameras down and there was dozens of concerned parents protesting outside, backed up by FG politicians. They're outraged that an adult shop is setting up so close to a school and want it shut down. The shop owner responds to them by saying there is nothing in his shop that cannot be found by any child on a smartphone.
Drumcondra is home to the Archbishop of Dublin and much of the senior Catholic clergy, I'm sticking the popcorn on for this one :pac:

Adults project their perception of things onto their children. Kids only react to things based upon how they perceive their parents react. My 9 year old recently asked my wife and i about the 'gay marriage' referendum about which the 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN' crap was rampant. We explained very simply that some men love men and some women love women and want to marry them.
His head didnt explode.
Chances are these school kids wouldnt have even noticed the new shop if their hysterical parents didnt draw attention to it. Now that they have simply be a parent and tell them (in carefully selected language of course) what it is. They wont give a monkeys.

One eyed Jack

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Shops don't open because someone is "desperate" - they open to provide a serice which people can use or not use as they see fit. And - this being the kicker - just becuse it opens nea ra school doesn;t make the more desperate.

Businesses offer their services and products to the public. If members of the public don't want the business in their community, they have every right to object to it. The business owner had every right to ignore them, he chose the wiser course of action in this instance IMO.

You still haven't answered my question as to who is that desperate that they need a sex shop in their community?

If there was an issue of safety regarding the kids, I'd see your point, but there simply isn't, no matter how much you try to dress it up as such.

I didn't try to dress up any issue about safety regarding children? No wonder then you can't see the point of an argument I never made.

Germany, like the US, is governed both on a federal level and a state level. I like in Berlin, so I can only comment on Berlin.

What I'd like is some elaboration on your claim that that Germay is ignorant and conservartive. Seeing as you asked, let's limit this to federal social policy related specifically to it's attitudes regarding the sex industry and regarding children and families. Cheers.

Thanks for the politics tutorial, I'm sure it's useful to someone else, so how about instead of playing "Where in the World?" and trying to limit the discussion to your own parameters that suit you, we try and keep it somewhat on topic with regard to the opening (or not now any more) of a sex shop in Drumcondra, and you tell me why your opinion should over-ride the opinions of residents and retailers that actually live there and do their business in the community and send their children to the local primary school there?

syklops

MonsterCookie wrote: »

So, we don't want our son to see the **** in the window or to encounter creepy characters that might be drawn to the shop.

I would have thought the school itself would attract more creepy and potentially dangerous characters than some aould lad buying a bit of lube.

ScumLord

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because people don't want a sex shop near a primary school. That's why the location is an issue. I don't know how innocent looking it is as the proprietor hadn't even opened the shop before he changed his mind, saying that he wasn't in the business of upsetting people.

The children won't notice it at all now. Not a bad thing IMO. Sex shops are an outdated concept when people can shop online for whatever they want and get much better value for their money. Important lesson in economics and marketing being taught to adults there really.

This is an online sex shop, they still need somewhere to store their stock. Just because something is sold online doesn't mean it just magically appears out of thin air when you order it. So it makes good financial sense to turn your storage space into a sales point.

I also don't see how sex shops are outdated, they're only being introduced to Ireland recently. Your view of sex shops is obviously outdated, because you're describing a business that's nothing like a modern sex shop.

eviltwin

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Because people don't want a sex shop near a primary school. That's why the location is an issue. I don't know how innocent looking it is as the proprietor hadn't even opened the shop before he changed his mind, saying that he wasn't in the business of upsetting people.

The children won't notice it at all now. Not a bad thing IMO. Sex shops are an outdated concept when people can shop online for whatever they want and get much better value for their money. Important lesson in economics and marketing being taught to adults there really.

The owner himself says it is just a warehouse for online sales items. I doubt very much he will have anything on public display that will draw attention to the nature of the business. I don't see how it's proximity to a school is a problem.

steddyeddy

I don't get the desperate line of thinking. There's an off-licence down the road from a school here. Business don't close because people aren't "desperate" to use it. Anyway we're not the market so how would we know who uses it?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What is the problem with people saying they're not desperate enough to want a sex shop in their community? You tell me what your problem is, rather than trying to suggest I'm the person has a problem. The fact people don't want it is a problem for you, not for me.

Shops don't open because someone is "desperate" - they open to provide a serice which people can use or not use as they see fit. And - this being the kicker - just becuse it opens nea ra school doesn;t make the more desperate.

If there was an issue of safety regarding the kids, I'd see your point, but there simply isn't, no matter how much you try to dress it up as such.

I said Germany. Berlin is only one city in Germany. If that's not enough elaborating for you, I don't know what you want? Is German social and economic policy not what you were referring to then?

Germany, like the US, is governed both on a federal level and a state level. I like in Berlin, so I can only comment on Berlin.

What I'd like is some elaboration on your claim that that Germay is ignorant and conservartive. Seeing as you asked, let's limit this to federal social policy related specifically to it's attitudes regarding the sex industry and regarding children and families. Cheers.

steddyeddy

One Eyed Jack you're thinking of Bavaria maybe? Germany is not conservative when it comes to sex.

One eyed Jack

eviltwin wrote: »

Why is its location an issue? It's fairly innocent looking by all accounts, the kids wouldn't even notice it only for this brouhaha.

Because people don't want a sex shop near a primary school. That's why the location is an issue. I don't know how innocent looking it is as the proprietor hadn't even opened the shop before he changed his mind, saying that he wasn't in the business of upsetting people.

The children won't notice it at all now. Not a bad thing IMO. Sex shops are an outdated concept when people can shop online for whatever they want and get much better value for their money. Important lesson in economics and marketing being taught to adults there really.