How Bout Dem Bears?

crunchie44 · 02-05-2015 1:41pm

White is not a horrible pick. The guy is huge and has killer speed. Will cause all sorts of match up problems. Plus he will stretch the field for us. Too often teams knew they Bears had no1 with elite pace and our passing game became predictable. The general opinion is that Pace made the right choice and I'm happy with that. Yes Williams almost fell into our lap but no point crying over something we never had. Dont think any1 expected Jets to take him given the quality they already had.

Last 2 pick were needs and out of first 3 rounds we get 3 day 1 starters. Pace has picked them. Its upto the players to prove it now

Realt Dearg Sec · 02-05-2015 1:45pm

crunchie44 wrote: »

White is not a horrible pick. The guy is huge and has killer speed. Will cause all sorts of match up problems. Plus he will stretch the field for us. Too often teams knew they Bears had no1 with elite pace and our passing game became predictable. The general opinion is that Pace made the right choice and I'm happy with that. Yes Williams almost fell into our lap but no point crying over something we never had. Dont think any1 expected Jets to take him given the quality they already had.

Last 2 pick were needs and out of first 3 rounds we get 3 day 1 starters. Pace has picked them. Its upto the players to prove it now

I don't think Grasu is a day one starter. The others certainly look to be.

ABajaninCork · 02-05-2015 3:45pm

Biggest need IMO is DB's. Perhaps the Bears will pick some up later...

Realt Dearg Sec · 02-05-2015 4:31pm

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Biggest need IMO is DB's. Perhaps the Bears will pick some up later...

No good safeties around. Our CBs are alright I think. Certainly Fuller is the future imo, after that it would be great to get some help but there went be year one starters in the fourth round so I think we're still in a bit of trouble.

Oat23 · 02-05-2015 5:54pm

crunchie44 wrote: »

Yes Williams almost fell into our lap but no point crying over something we never had. Dont think any1 expected Jets to take him given the quality they already had.

If we didn't give them Marshall for sweet f*ck all, there's no way they would pass on a WR there. We'd have Williams if that trade never happened.

ABajaninCork · 02-05-2015 6:17pm

crunchie44 wrote: »

White is not a horrible pick. The guy is huge and has killer speed. Will cause all sorts of match up problems. Plus he will stretch the field for us. Too often teams knew they Bears had no1 with elite pace and our passing game became predictable. The general opinion is that Pace made the right choice and I'm happy with that. Yes Williams almost fell into our lap but no point crying over something we never had. Dont think any1 expected Jets to take him given the quality they already had.

Last 2 pick were needs and out of first 3 rounds we get 3 day 1 starters. Pace has picked them. Its upto the players to prove it now

Nope. He would have been a great pick if the Bears had a halfway decent O-line and Cutler wasn't so flaky. They have neither, so meh...

kennyb3 · 02-05-2015 7:59pm

I think some people need to relax a little, this was never a one year fix. If it was they wouldn't have hired a 37 year old GM.

Now as the old saying goes it's better to be lucky than good, but signs are pace could be both. Let's look at things:

- John fox fell into his lap just after he was hired
- vic fangio only left the 9ers cause of harbaugh did too
- Ray mcdonald fell into their lap

They had a solid and unspectacular FA without killing us going forward, lots of prove it deals to asses (good idea for first year GM and cosching team)

Now let's look at the draft:

- yeah I'm not ecstatic they took white for reasons I mentioned previously. But you have to see it for what it is - sticking to your board. That's what pace has done not only here but throughout the draft - reason being all the holes can't be fixed in one draft.

- so what do you do? Take the best players. If you draft for need, more holes appear next year anyway and again you draft for need rather than value.

- I've no idea if white will be worth a 7 but I barely say one scout suggest he wasn't a top 10 pick, so it's hard to argue.

- After white we have Goldman. Great pick IMHO. 6'4 330 lbs. good size and length at a position of need and not a reach like ego last year.

Honestly who'd have thought when we switched to 3-4 we'd have a line of;

LDE : McDonald
Nt: Goldman
RDe: Ratliff

- good luck running on that. You've jenkins, ego and Sutton in the rotation too (sutton only on 3rd down realistically)

- you also have McPhee good against the run and rushing the passer.

- the more I think about it the more it makes sense not to go for another edge guy, they ve piles of bodies and salaries tied up in it, may as well let it play out this year. Can't fix everything in one year and they did get McPhee in free agency.

- we've nothing at inside backer but what can you do.

Anyway in summary what am I saying:

- we got better all round the day this staff was hired
- we got miles better defensively the day this staff was hired
- they've added some nice pieces defensively - particularly the front 3.
- pace drafting offence 3 of first 4 picks indicates true bpa, and hopefully that's the case
- can we please stop pretending we could fix all the holes after all the horrible years of drafting

Literally the worst part of this draft was that the Vikings killed it and the lions did well too. And we ain't finishing ahead of the packers anyway till Rodgers retires so not to worry about their draft of looking spectacular (it never does but they coach up the players)

Spongey1975 · 02-05-2015 9:56pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

I think some people need to relax a little, this was never a one year fix. If it was they wouldn't have hired a 37 year old GM.

Now as the old saying goes it's better to be lucky than good, but signs are pace could be both. Let's look at things:

- John fox fell into his lap just after he was hired
- vic fangio only left the 9ers cause of harbaugh did too
- Ray mcdonald fell into their lap

They had a solid and unspectacular FA without killing us going forward, lots of prove it deals to asses (good idea for first year GM and cosching team)

Now let's look at the draft:

- yeah I'm not ecstatic they took white for reasons I mentioned previously. But you have to see it for what it is - sticking to your board. That's what pace has done not only here but throughout the draft - reason being all the holes can't be fixed in one draft.

- so what do you do? Take the best players. If you draft for need, more holes appear next year anyway and again you draft for need rather than value.

- I've no idea if white will be worth a 7 but I barely say one scout suggest he wasn't a top 10 pick, so it's hard to argue.

- After white we have Goldman. Great pick IMHO. 6'4 330 lbs. good size and length at a position of need and not a reach like ego last year.

Honestly who'd have thought when we switched to 3-4 we'd have a line of;

LDE : McDonald
Nt: Goldman
RDe: Ratliff

- good luck running on that. You've jenkins, ego and Sutton in the rotation too (sutton only on 3rd down realistically)

- you also have McPhee good against the run and rushing the passer.

- the more I think about it the more it makes sense not to go for another edge guy, they ve piles of bodies and salaries tied up in it, may as well let it play out this year. Can't fix everything in one year and they did get McPhee in free agency.

- we've nothing at inside backer but what can you do.

Anyway in summary what am I saying:

- we got better all round the day this staff was hired
- we got miles better defensively the day this staff was hired
- they've added some nice pieces defensively - particularly the front 3.
- pace drafting offence 3 of first 4 picks indicates true bpa, and hopefully that's the case
- can we please stop pretending we could fix all the holes after all the horrible years of drafting

Literally the worst part of this draft was that the Vikings killed it and the lions did well too. And we ain't finishing ahead of the packers anyway till Rodgers retires so not to worry about their draft of looking spectacular (it never does but they coach up the players)

Well said

Im a fan of what we drafted so far. People think White was a horrible pick. He was without doubt the best player available. We now have a receiver threat on both sides. I disagreed with what we got for Marshall but agreed that he had to go. There is also the issue of having to pay Alshon next year. I dont think we can afford to have two highly paid wide receivers on the roster so it will be good to have a receiver of the talent of White on four years rookie salary to complement Alshon's huge salary next year.

I actually can never remember reading the initial draft grades online and we received A's. Now i know they mean nothing but i dont think we have ever received an A in all my years following the draft. That in itself shows how improved our new front office is. As highlighted above this isnt a quick fix but its a step in the right direction. Roll on mini camps

Realt Dearg Sec · 03-05-2015 2:08am

kennyb3 wrote: »

I think some people need to relax a little, this was never a one year fix. If it was they wouldn't have hired a 37 year old GM.

Now as the old saying goes it's better to be lucky than good, but signs are pace could be both. Let's look at things:

- John fox fell into his lap just after he was hired
- vic fangio only left the 9ers cause of harbaugh did too
- Ray mcdonald fell into their lap

They had a solid and unspectacular FA without killing us going forward, lots of prove it deals to asses (good idea for first year GM and cosching team)

Now let's look at the draft:

- yeah I'm not ecstatic they took white for reasons I mentioned previously. But you have to see it for what it is - sticking to your board. That's what pace has done not only here but throughout the draft - reason being all the holes can't be fixed in one draft.

- so what do you do? Take the best players. If you draft for need, more holes appear next year anyway and again you draft for need rather than value.

- I've no idea if white will be worth a 7 but I barely say one scout suggest he wasn't a top 10 pick, so it's hard to argue.

- After white we have Goldman. Great pick IMHO. 6'4 330 lbs. good size and length at a position of need and not a reach like ego last year.

Honestly who'd have thought when we switched to 3-4 we'd have a line of;

LDE : McDonald
Nt: Goldman
RDe: Ratliff

- good luck running on that. You've jenkins, ego and Sutton in the rotation too (sutton only on 3rd down realistically)

- you also have McPhee good against the run and rushing the passer.

- the more I think about it the more it makes sense not to go for another edge guy, they ve piles of bodies and salaries tied up in it, may as well let it play out this year. Can't fix everything in one year and they did get McPhee in free agency.

- we've nothing at inside backer but what can you do.

Anyway in summary what am I saying:

- we got better all round the day this staff was hired
- we got miles better defensively the day this staff was hired
- they've added some nice pieces defensively - particularly the front 3.
- pace drafting offence 3 of first 4 picks indicates true bpa, and hopefully that's the case
- can we please stop pretending we could fix all the holes after all the horrible years of drafting

Literally the worst part of this draft was that the Vikings killed it and the lions did well too. And we ain't finishing ahead of the packers anyway till Rodgers retires so not to worry about their draft of looking spectacular (it never does but they coach up the players)

Great post. I didn't like the white pick but he's clearly solid, potentially spectacular, the picks since have been fantastic. I didn't like getting rid of Marshall but this is a long term project and big egos are not gonna suit this fo. I'll miss him and I really, really disagree that he was a major problem with the offense. But this has to be paces team or else you can't have a problem. He needs the space and time. It doesn't mean he can't be criticised, but the notion he would have gotten Williams if he had held Marshall? Ludicrous, he's not psychic, I didn't see Williams getting out if the top three, and just because the bucs and titans are idiotic enough to take bust quarterbacks doesn't mean pace is a dingbat.

Immediate reactions aside, it's a decent draft. I still disagree with dropping all these key players, but they want their team. If they fail, fine, but the bears have been expecting to win now since I've supported them. Time for patience. Which isn't my expertise...

kennyb3 · 03-05-2015 8:13pm

The way I see it us we got 3 starters and Langford and Amos will make contributions.

Last year our second round pick wasn't nearly ready to start and our third was an undersized alligator armed DT. I liked Sutton as a prospect but it made zero sense given we couldn't stop the run at all.

3 starters would be better than our last 3 to 4 drafts at least. That's why you take bpa. We aren't in a position unfortunately to take players and develop them.

We also didn't go after boom or bust talent - just solid players. Even if white doesn't hit expectTions he ll be a very solid player given the size and speed.

This defence will take another draft or possibly 2 to fix and they need to see what they have.

Anyway we need to get to a stage were we have 7 or more picks, as it's often hit and miss and we need to play the percentages.

We should remember we signed 7 defensive players in free agency.

bobdobadini · 04-05-2015 8:24am

Regardless of the White trade, which was clearly a case of BPA, and one that I would have no problem with.

I think there are two picks that go a long way to prove what Fox is trying to do with the Bears.

1 is Eddie Goldman. I have watched a fair bit of his tape and he really has the ability to stop teams running on us. I think that has been such a huge problem for the Bears recently and while you can talk about defensive backs etc. John Fox has controlling the spine as a focal point this year.

The other pick was Langford. This proves, again, that the Bears will rely heavily on the running game. One of the main arguments against Trestman was that he used Forte wrong, not enough and too much in the wrong situations.

Langford, Rodgers and Forte will really be able to carry quite a load next year and the Bears aim is to stop the run against them and establish the run in offense to at least give the Bears a fighting chance!

I am new here and look forward to contributing!

kennyb3 · 05-05-2015 9:43am

bobdobadini wrote: »

Regardless of the White trade, which was clearly a case of BPA, and one that I would have no problem with.

I think there are two picks that go a long way to prove what Fox is trying to do with the Bears.

1 is Eddie Goldman. I have watched a fair bit of his tape and he really has the ability to stop teams running on us. I think that has been such a huge problem for the Bears recently and while you can talk about defensive backs etc. John Fox has controlling the spine as a focal point this year.

The other pick was Langford. This proves, again, that the Bears will rely heavily on the running game. One of the main arguments against Trestman was that he used Forte wrong, not enough and too much in the wrong situations.

Langford, Rodgers and Forte will really be able to carry quite a load next year and the Bears aim is to stop the run against them and establish the run in offense to at least give the Bears a fighting chance!

I am new here and look forward to contributing!

Welcome. Great to have another Bears fan & contributor.

They also have Carey too not to forget.

It looks like RB by committee and really shaping up to be Forte's last year.

kennyb3 · 12-05-2015 12:41pm

So they waived Greene already what a waste of a mid round pick.Emery s drafts have been a dumpster fire. 3 starters from 3 years it seems.

We are going to have massive holes for a long time. Years and years of awful drafting

padraig_f · 12-05-2015 12:47pm

I know you shouldn't get excited about rookie training camp , but **** it, I'm getting excited.

@danpompei:

"1. Kevin White had a dominant rookie camp. He had a lot of balls thrown his way, and he caught many, some in impressive fashion.

2. Kevin White is impressively big and strong, but has the quickness and change of direction of a smaller man.

3. Kevin White easily is the most impressive rookie wide receiver I’ve ever seen walk through the doors at Halas Hall."

Realt Dearg Sec · 12-05-2015 2:41pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

So they waived Greene already what a waste of a mid round pick.Emery s drafts have been a dumpster fire. 3 starters from 3 years it seems.

We are going to have massive holes for a long time. Years and years of awful drafting

Well, depends how the 3-4 system shakes out for D line and LBs as regards the final numbers from Emery's drafting, but undeniably we are in a bad way no matter what way I try and cut it.

Of course, for all we know Pace might be terrible too, we just can't know. But what I would really be worried about is how impatient the fans are likely to be, going into the 30th anniversary year of the last SB. If Pace and Fox work out, and their draft picks are decent, we are still probably five years and a good QB from being truly a competitive, threatening team. But there's just no way the Bears fans will wait that long. If they aren't in the playoffs in the 2016 season, Fox will be under serious pressure. If they aren't there by 2017 people will be looking for heads to roll before we've even had time to evaluate the FIRST draft class. And then we'll be back to square one. In the meantime the Packers will have passed us out in the overall W-L record, probably have tacked on a SB.

Not that they'll be paying too much attention, I don't the Bears are a particularly relevant issue for the Packers these days.

Oat23 · 25-05-2015 5:17pm

Ray McDonald arrested again it seems.

https://twitter.com/DickersonESPN/status/602870678312779776

He'll be cut by the end of the day I'd say.

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-05-2015 5:52pm

Hopefully. Much as we need guys in his position, we don't need that ****.

adrian522 · 25-05-2015 6:31pm

Did ye give any guaranteed money? That's his third arrest. Domestic violence, sexual assault and now domestic violence and child endangerment.

He hasn't faced any charges on any of this as yet but you'd imagine Goddell will throw the book at him.

padraig_f · 25-05-2015 6:46pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Did ye give any guaranteed money? That's his third arrest. Domestic violence, sexual assault and now domestic violence and child endangerment.

He hasn't faced any charges on any of this as yet but you'd imagine Goddell will throw the book at him.

No guaranteed money, no. So I guess he'll be gone quickly.

Dabearsblog has a good blog on when he was first signed:

The McDonald Dilemma: Does Being a Sports Fan Come with a Social Responsibility?

I'm one of those fans that, rightly or wrongly, tries to ignore the off-the-field as much as possible, one of the reasons I watch sport, to get away from the depressing stuff in the news.

Although sometimes, as in the Ray Rice case for example, you can't ignore it.

At least it happened before any games were played.

kennyb3 · 25-05-2015 8:26pm

Wow, just wow - what a retard and p ' rick.

Our front 3 looks like s ' hit again all of a sudden.

Don't look good on pace, Fox or fangio. George will be pissed, massive risk and hard to believe it back fired so quickly and spectacularly.

Oat23 · 25-05-2015 9:29pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

Wow, just wow - what a retard and p ' rick.

Our front 3 looks like s ' hit again all of a sudden.

Don't look good on pace, Fox or fangio. George will be pissed, massive risk and hard to believe it back fired so quickly and spectacularly.

Shouldn't look good on George either, with him meeting McDonald himself and giving the go ahead to sign him.

George never looks good though I suppose.

Funny that they got rid of Marshall because character concerns, and then they brought in this bum.

edit: Released now. At least they haven't f*cked about doing due diligence because they seem pretty sh*t at it.
https://twitter.com/ChicagoBears/status/602934673606627328

GM Ryan Pace: "We believe in 2nd chances, but when we signed Ray we were very clear what our expectations were if he was to remain a Bear...
Pace cont: "He was not able to meet the standard and the decision was made to release him."

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-05-2015 11:15pm

He's not that good, 5.5 sacks is his best year ever and no pro bowl. He's a loss but there's others who can step in, it's not like we lost jj watt.

Oat23 · 25-05-2015 11:24pm

:pac:

https://twitter.com/Ky1eLong/status/602936715834204160

Realt Dearg Sec · 25-05-2015 11:38pm

Oat23 wrote: »

:pac:

https://twitter.com/Ky1eLong/status/602936715834204160

I love Kyle Long.

Oat23 · 26-05-2015 5:04am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I love Kyle Long.

You and me both!

kennyb3 · 26-05-2015 9:31am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

He's not that good, 5.5 sacks is his best year ever and no pro bowl. He's a loss but there's others who can step in, it's not like we lost jj watt.

He's no JJ watt alright but he is a very solid 5tech, stout against the run and has scheme experience and no durability issues. But Kyle Long said it best and it's all irrelevant now anyways.

adrian522 · 28-05-2015 7:55am

Ray McDonald arrested AGAIN, thus time for violating restraining order. 4 arrests now. Can't see anyone picking him up to be honest.

Realt Dearg Sec · 28-05-2015 8:10am

adrian522 wrote: »

Ray McDonald arrested AGAIN, thus time for violating restraining order. 4 arrests now. Can't see anyone picking him up to be honest.

We've lost a real genius so.

kennyb3 · 28-05-2015 9:01am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

We've lost a real genius so.

:pac:

Gone full retard by the sounds of it

kennyb3 · 11-06-2015 9:19am

Zach Zaidman ✔@ZachZaidman
Reporter to #Bears coach John Fox: What have you seen out of Jonathan Bostic? Fox: "Nothing." Bostic (back) has not practiced in offseason.

Not looking good for Bostic. Badly needs to practice to get better (and he needs to get a lot better).

This back injury has been ongoing for couple of seasons now. Really don't see him amounting to much now.

How Bout Dem Bears?

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