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  • #8942
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    47 cent could probably be taken with a grain of salt to be fair, but realistically they don't do things by half's out their with lots of fancy sheds tractors and parlours combined with high cost indoor systems so it's fair to say alot of lads would definetly be north of 35 cent, the 60 cow herd in Ireland income wise in my view could mean a 100 different things levels of income factors like sfp, is their a laying hen, is farmer in reciept of farm assit along with debt levels all play a huge role in determining income levels on farm

    German accounting is notoriously like humpty dumpty, things mean what they want them to mean - neither more nor less.

    I doubt very much they include a wife's income - that doesn't make any sense either here or there. But on the basis that the average industrial wage is 40,000 then presumably it adds 13 or 14 c a litre to a moderate 60 cow herd?

    I'll see if I can get the breakdown of the German figures.


  • #8943
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Vaccinate now and then 1st week of dec again.
    You can do yearly one then after you have done the 2 6 mth shots if you wish.
    personally I prefer the 6th programme.
    Cost is about 3e an animal per shot.
    Do all animals Inc calves.
    Get a few 20 ml bottles next soring and do cakves in batches as they turn 10 days + old. Really helped calf thrive here
    we're using rispoval here

    +1

    Just make sure the first 2 vaccines are live marker vaccines and you can go onto the yearly booster if you want.

    My vet recommends 3 years on the live vaccine ie 6 X 6 month vaccines but don't know how common that is tbh.


  • #8944
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    kowtow wrote: »

    I'll see if I can get the breakdown of the German figures.

    Do, let us know how you get on. It would be interesting to see how one of the biggest producing competitors is getting on thein these times.


  • #8945
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    howdee wrote: »
    Hi folks, i have an update to my problems, we took samples from 20% of the herd last week and the results came back today. As many members had guessed already it is IBR in the herd.
    Luckily the cows seem to be holding well to their second service, probably due to the improvement in the weather.
    Obviously I am going to vaccinate the herd but can anyone tell me the ins and outs of the IBR vaccine. When should I vaccinate? How many time a year? Cost? Heifers? Type of vaccine?

    Do you or is it likely down the road you would have breeding bulls for ai stud or breeding stock for export?


  • #8946
    howdee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭howdee


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Vaccinate now and then 1st week of dec again.
    You can do yearly one then after you have done the 2 6 mth shots if you wish.
    personally I prefer the 6th programme.
    Cost is about 3e an animal per shot.
    Do all animals Inc calves.
    Get a few 20 ml bottles next soring and do cakves in batches as they turn 10 days + old. Really helped calf thrive here
    we're using rispoval here

    All male and female animals I presume?


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  • #8947
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    howdee wrote: »
    All male and female animals I presume?

    Ye do otherwise you could have infected ones still spreading infection.
    I'm finding here any way alot less pneumonia related problems in calves/weanlings since we started


  • #8948
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Deepsouthwest wrote: »
    For ibr?

    Yes. In three years your herd will be clear of IBR. Otherwise you will have to vaccinate ad finitum, with all the associated downsides.


  • #8949
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    German accounting is notoriously like humpty dumpty, things mean what they want them to mean - neither more nor less.

    I doubt very much they include a wife's income - that doesn't make any sense either here or there. But on the basis that the average industrial wage is 40,000 then presumably it adds 13 or 14 c a litre to a moderate 60 cow herd?

    I'll see if I can get the breakdown of the German figures.

    I can throw in my cost of production.
    Not inc labour and borrowings 22.8cpl

    Including borrowings (dairy) 26.7cpl

    Including all wages + dairy borrowings 42.8cpl


    All the above include a land charge.

    * Not realistic to include all wages as dairy is second most important enterprise of three.


  • #8950
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    I can throw in my cost of production.
    Not inc labour and borrowings 22.8cpl

    Including borrowings (dairy) 26.7cpl

    Including all wages/borrowings 42.8cpl


    All the above include a land charge.
    Would the French price always be a few cent ahead of here?


  • #8951
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Would the French price always be a few cent ahead of here?

    Yes.
    32cpl + vat for June.


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  • #8952
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Yes.
    32cpl + vat for June.
    Is the sfp ballancing the books? Sorry to be nosey


  • #8953
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Ye do otherwise you could have infected ones still spreading infection.
    I'm finding here any way alot less pneumonia related problems in calves/weanlings since we started

    Out of interest any BVD +ves removed? Would have had similar effect on herd health


  • #8954
    howdee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭howdee


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    Do you or is it likely down the road you would have breeding bulls for ai stud or breeding stock for export?

    No and no, all breeding stock is sold locally. Would like to get bulls in to ai but that is not a priority that is high on my list.


  • #8955
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Is the sfp ballancing the books? Sorry to be nosey



    SFP???
    Don't get you?

    SFP has nothing to do with dairy!


  • #8956
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    SFP???
    Don't get you?

    SFP has nothing to do with dairy!

    Are you not operating at a loss then if you need 42.8 c to pay labour loans and keep everything else paid?


  • #8957
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    howdee wrote: »
    No and no, all breeding stock is sold locally. Would like to get bulls in to ai but that is not a priority that is high on my list.

    http://www.animalhealthireland.ie/page.php?id=61

    we had an outbreak last year, serious drop in milk. went intra nasal on cows and inject everything else with rispoval live.... wouldn't recommend going intra nasal unless you have, its supposed to work quicker but some job to do all the cows

    doing live on everything now every 6 months, may change to dead and go every 12 months, not sure yet

    http://www.zoetis.ie/node/15004

    http://www.bovilis.ie/ibr/


  • #8958
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Blood test every animal in the herd that is over two years old. Then vaccinate/sell/cull any positives. Much better approach.

    Can you still do this after vaccinating with ibr live?.Or can they differenciate between live marker and actual virus?


  • #8959
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Are you not operating at a loss then if you need 42.8 c to pay labour loans and keep everything else paid?

    Shyte. I'm phucked!!

    More than dairy here.


  • #8960
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Do, let us know how you get on. It would be interesting to see how one of the biggest producing competitors is getting on thein these times.

    Hmm... well the German figures are compiled in accordance with something I had not seen before, the EU FADB farm accounting standard. Basically this is a specialist EU quango which collects farm income and cost data all over Europe (including allegedly 100% of Irish dairy farms) and re-processes it 90 different ways to arrive at a basis for comparison.

    I think it's actually there to provide the data to support the continuation of CAP and other farm support schemes but that is by the by.

    If you want some real heavy weight analysis of dairy farm income / margin / costs around Europe the 2013 report is here:

    http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/ricaprod/pdf/Dairy_Farms_report_2013_WEB.pdf

    They have some robust methods for ignoring and then re-attaching family labour, capital, and land - in fact they have a synthetic figure RFU (remuneration of family labour) which I suspect is actually the one we are all interested in when we talk about profit on farms. It's also the one we never seem to get here!

    Pages 39/40/41 contain the summary graphs if you don't want to read the detail.


  • #8961
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Can you still do this after vaccinating with ibr live?.Or can they differenciate between live marker and actual virus?

    No. Once you vaccinate, they will always throw a positive.


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  • #8962
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Spot believing the hype.


    In my corner things will be fine Atm

    Maybe the freak show will extrapolate in Ireland... I dint know..

    Who knows?


    :)


  • #8963
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Vet on the way here atm.
    second calver came in yesterday morning with no milk. Ate her meal though. Still no milk last night or this morning


  • #8964
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,784 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Vet on the way here atm.
    second calver came in yesterday morning with no milk. Ate her meal though. Still no milk last night or this morning
    vet coming here too , group of calves with pneumonia. Also bull had a bit of a run in with relief milker this morning:mad:


  • #8965
    Cow Porter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Cow Porter


    Dawggone wrote: »
    No. Once you vaccinate, they will always throw a positive.

    An ibr positive cow all always throw an ibr positive calf??


  • #8966
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    An ibr positive cow all always throw an ibr positive calf??

    Probably depends on whether you vaccinated while she was in calf. Same as bvd I'd imagine


  • #8967
    awaywithyou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Probably depends on whether you vaccinated while she was in calf. Same as bvd I'd imagine[/QUOTE

    doubt if calf will be positive if cow is positive.... as far as i know ibr antibodies can be distinguished from ibr virus.....


  • #8968
    Greengrass1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭Greengrass1


    Topping up a few roads here.
    Thinking 804 to dust on top
    talking to a lad yesterday said he put limestone screenings on top of his says it works fine.
    anyone else us it?


  • #8969
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Cow Porter wrote: »
    An ibr positive cow all always throw an ibr positive calf??

    No, not necessarily.
    When you vaccinate for IBR the animal will always test positive. The calf will mostly be free.


  • #8970
    stanflt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,801 ✭✭✭stanflt


    Dawggone wrote: »
    No, not necessarily.
    When you vaccinate for IBR the animal will always test positive. The calf will mostly be free.


    A cow that has had wild fire virus and has been vaccinated will still leave a calf free of Ibr- however do not feed besting from this cow to calves as she can pass the wild fire through the milk

    The calf as a young calf will fail any test due to small amounts of antibodies but the calf will pass a test at 9 months of age provided that he has not been exposed to wild virus or been vaccinated while alive on fatm

    Hope this makes sence


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  • #8971
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    http://www.farmersjournal.ie/lab-produced-milk-developed-by-scientists-182519/

    Will we be looking at a pressure from the likes of this in 10, 15 years?


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