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just do it · 01-06-2015 06:22PM

stretch film wrote: »

Ideal pre grazing cover 1400/ha meaning 1300 kgs available (100 left)

That will feed 75 cows approx for 24 hrs on that Ha.

Works out at 31 cows/ac. Same as MO.

Thanks lads

stretch film · 01-06-2015 06:55PM

just do it wrote: »

Works out at 31 cows/ac. Same as MO.

Thanks lads

You organising paddocks ?

blackdog1 · 01-06-2015 08:11PM

Timmaay wrote: »

This mays milk volume 25% on last year. Mix of more milking and more mature herd. Flat rate feeding though, has probably cost a few litres but not enough to worry about.

They did a study on feed to yield and flat rate feeding. There wasn't much of a difference for all spring but for all year round there was a good difference

Greengrass1 · 01-06-2015 08:37PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

They did a study on feed to yield and flat rate feeding. There wasn't much of a difference for all spring but for all year round there was a good difference

Was in johnstown castle on thursday they have been doing trials on fty last few yrs.
I asked aidan would fty system pay you back by feeding less meal and more milk he said it wouldnt

Timmaay · 01-06-2015 09:15PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

They did a study on feed to yield and flat rate feeding. There wasn't much of a difference for all spring but for all year round there was a good difference

Autumn milking group diminishing every year here. What I'll probably end up doing this autumn is draft all the autumn ladies around and give them a 2nd pull of nuts while I'm washing the clusters etc. I'm strongly thinking of leaving the bull in with the cows until start of October this breeding season, get as many in calf for the spring next year, even if it means June calvers, then run no autumn calvers next year.

just do it · 01-06-2015 09:16PM

stretch film wrote: »

You organising paddocks ?

I've it done with my own place a few years ago and had forgotten. Someone asked me and I said it was easier throw up a quick question here rather than getting the calculator out

Buford T. Justice XIX · 02-06-2015 01:57PM

I have a few dry cows to sell during the summer as they get fit off grass so i rang the dept to find out if i could sell them as all around me are locked up.

No problem they said.

So i blood tested the best of them last week and was hoping to sell them next week and pay off a few bills and have a few bob for going away with the family later in the month.

I got a phone call from the dept this morning telling me i am locked up as i am over 4 months since a herd test and must be clear before i can sell.

I do wish they would make up their mind or at least put someone answering questions that has some clue about the rules:(

Timmaay · 02-06-2015 02:03PM

Mine rings me up the day after we got the cards back, and just after my dad went out the gate with a trailer load of calves on his way to the mart, to say that we are actually still locked up!! Some mistake with a calf who went to the knackery and wasn't knocked off the system. Spend an hour back and forward on the phone to the knackery and vets before I thankfully managed to get the knackery docket across to the dept, meanwhile my dad wouldn't answer his bloody phone! Lucky he was taking his time, and I managed to get it sorted before he hit the mart ha. But ffs they could never make it simple could they.

Deepsouthwest · 02-06-2015 02:06PM

just do it wrote: »

I've it done with my own place a few years ago and had forgotten. Someone asked me and I said it was easier throw up a quick question here rather than getting the calculator out

I'd be inclined to go with 36 or even 48 hr paddocks and split them with a strip wire if needs be.

atlantic mist · 02-06-2015 06:09PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was in johnstown castle on thursday they have been doing trials on fty last few yrs.
I asked aidan would fty system pay you back by feeding less meal and more milk he said it wouldnt

what sort of a herd is below in johnstown? hav they split herd in two or is it different years, did they hav any benifits to fty? do u get better fertility, lower health problems from being fed to exact needs

yosemitesam1 · 02-06-2015 06:56PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was in johnstown castle on thursday they have been doing trials on fty last few yrs.
I asked aidan would fty system pay you back by feeding less meal and more milk he said it wouldnt

What are the herds like in the trial? Have they similar calving dates,age etc? Different herd could give very different results

Greengrass1 · 02-06-2015 07:56PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

What are the herds like in the trial? Have they similar calving dates,age etc? Different herd could give very different results

High yielding herd 7500l is herd average.
split up as evenly as possible. No high yeilders put in fty group and no low yeilders put in ftb group.

They were all autumn calving a few yrs ago and would have liked to stay that way but the research they were doing wasn't relevant to vast majority of winter milking herd so they split it

Greengrass1 · 02-06-2015 07:57PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

what sort of a herd is below in johnstown? hav they split herd in two or is it different years, did they hav any benifits to fty? do u get better fertility, lower health problems from being fed to exact needs

Aidan said there was no benefits to genetic fertility. But you would get a benefit in high yeilders being looked after better vs being fed in a flat rate system

Markcheese · 02-06-2015 09:14PM

Have they still got the organic dairy herd there ? Or Is it long gone - ?

just do it · 02-06-2015 09:27PM

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I'd be inclined to go with 36 or even 48 hr paddocks and split them with a strip wire if needs be.

I find the wetter ones are better at 24hrs in order to avoid poaching. This will allow 1 to 2 extra grazings in an average year. If full time I'd get a lot more out of the place by 3hr grazings at the shoulders of the year

atlantic mist · 02-06-2015 09:28PM

b an interesting trial how long will they keep it goin most of studies i read on only show one year vrs milking life of both systems

Greengrass1 · 02-06-2015 09:47PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

b an interesting trial how long will they keep it goin most of studies i read on only show one year vrs milking life of both systems

Started 3 yrs ago I think. Going for another 2.
Joe patten is over it. Met him twice and learned loads. One of teagascs best researchers/advisors I reckon

degetme · 02-06-2015 10:42PM

Are milk rproteins up this year in general? Up to 3.64 normally in the 3.50 range at this time of year

Voodoo_rasher · 03-06-2015 01:26PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

It's a totally different ball game now with quotas gone, only for milk prices falling 2,000 euro would easily be got for even average cows now, anyone with cows/heifers to cash in when and if milk price goes back up will nearly be able to name his price

Milk prices are not likely to pick up in forseeable future if you read into these TTIP talks, outcome of.

I've no connections to do with dairying but i wanted to broach TTIP somewhere on the forum as I'm loathe to starting up a new thread.

The silence that various agri. organisations are conducting on this grave matter is striking.

Just what sector of Irish farming can hold its own after EU and US trade in agriculture is meshed together, tarrifs, protections all done away with? Sheep?
Why were quotas done away with notwithstanding Russia's ban on Eu dairy imports; it was more to do with this below I fear!

http://www.fairsociety.ie/ttip-and-the-end-of-milk-quotas/

Deepsouthwest · 03-06-2015 01:43PM

degetme wrote: »

Are milk rproteins up this year in general? Up to 3.64 normally in the 3.50 range at this time of year

Yes I think so, cow conception to first and protein v high down my side of the country at the moment

Greengrass1 · 03-06-2015 01:45PM

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Yes I think so, cow conception to first and protein v high down my side of the country at the moment

85% non return rate here to first serve so far. Going to be a busy feb

keep going · 03-06-2015 01:45PM

degetme wrote: »

Are milk rproteins up this year in general? Up to 3.64 normally in the 3.50 range at this time of year

Was just looking at mine the other day at 3.54 and saying it wasnt so long since I broke 3.5 average for the year , and I noticed I would always have been ahead of cremery average but it seems to be catching up

jaymla627 · 03-06-2015 03:24PM

Voodoo_rasher wrote: »

Milk prices are not likely to pick up in forseeable future if you read into these TTIP talks, outcome of.

I've no connections to do with dairying but i wanted to broach TTIP somewhere on the forum as I'm loathe to starting up a new thread.

The silence that various agri. organisations are conducting on this grave matter is striking.

Just what sector of Irish farming can hold its own after EU and US trade in agriculture is meshed together, tarrifs, protections all done away with? Sheep?
Why were quotas done away with notwithstanding Russia's ban on Eu dairy imports; it was more to do with this below I fear!

http://www.fairsociety.ie/ttip-and-the-end-of-milk-quotas/

The majority of irish dairy farmers are going to be alot well more equipped to manage low prices then say their french/Germany counterparts was a good article in agri land about Germany dairy farmers needing 47 cent a litre to cover costs/investment/pay themselves the average industrial wage etc, will be intresting to see if the EU introduce some back door quota restraints our some kind of bail out fund for dairy farmers if prices dip below 25 cent a litre and stay their for a couple of months...
Really can't see the french/German governments letting their own dairy sector collapse

howdee · 03-06-2015 03:39PM

howdee wrote: »

Folks I'm looking for a bit of advice, I'm having too many cows repeating this spring, currently I'm at a repeat rate of 52% into my 5th week of breeding. Never had any problems before, herd is a generally young pure friesian herd, 6 week calving rate is usually 80-90%. Replacement rate is generally 5ish%.
Herd is closed, non vaccinating with the same ai tech for years. Getting 2kg of a high energy but with loads of grass. Heifers are holding well. Thinking of getting blood tests done on Monday to see is there any underlying problems as I don't think the cold weather should be causing such a big repeat rate.

Hi folks, i have an update to my problems, we took samples from 20% of the herd last week and the results came back today. As many members had guessed already it is IBR in the herd.
Luckily the cows seem to be holding well to their second service, probably due to the improvement in the weather.
Obviously I am going to vaccinate the herd but can anyone tell me the ins and outs of the IBR vaccine. When should I vaccinate? How many time a year? Cost? Heifers? Type of vaccine?

Greengrass1 · 03-06-2015 03:52PM

howdee wrote: »

Hi folks, i have an update to my problems, we took samples from 20% of the herd last week and the results came back today. As many members had guessed already it is IBR in the herd.
Luckily the cows seem to be holding well to their second service, probably due to the improvement in the weather.
Obviously I am going to vaccinate the herd but can anyone tell me the ins and outs of the IBR vaccine. When should I vaccinate? How many time a year? Cost? Heifers? Type of vaccine?

Vaccinate now and then 1st week of dec again.
You can do yearly one then after you have done the 2 6 mth shots if you wish.
personally I prefer the 6th programme.
Cost is about 3e an animal per shot.
Do all animals Inc calves.
Get a few 20 ml bottles next soring and do cakves in batches as they turn 10 days + old. Really helped calf thrive here
we're using rispoval here

Dawggone · 03-06-2015 04:30PM

howdee wrote: »

Hi folks, i have an update to my problems, we took samples from 20% of the herd last week and the results came back today. As many members had guessed already it is IBR in the herd.
Luckily the cows seem to be holding well to their second service, probably due to the improvement in the weather.
Obviously I am going to vaccinate the herd but can anyone tell me the ins and outs of the IBR vaccine. When should I vaccinate? How many time a year? Cost? Heifers? Type of vaccine?

Blood test every animal in the herd that is over two years old. Then vaccinate/sell/cull any positives. Much better approach.

kowtow · 03-06-2015 04:36PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

The majority of irish dairy farmers are going to be alot well more equipped to manage low prices then say their french/Germany counterparts was a good article in agri land about Germany dairy farmers needing 47 cent a litre to cover costs/investment/pay themselves the average industrial wage etc, will be intresting to see if the EU introduce some back door quota restraints our some kind of bail out fund for dairy farmers if prices dip below 25 cent a litre and stay their for a couple of months...
Really can't see the french/German governments letting their own dairy sector collapse

I noticed that 47c figure for Germany but couldn't find the components of it - will have a more detailed look if I get a chance tonight. I'd be interested to see a like for like comparison with Irish production. I know we often leave out land figures but is there a Teagasc figure for an average (60?) cow herd including a single industrial wage?

jaymla627 · 03-06-2015 05:02PM

kowtow wrote: »

I noticed that 47c figure for Germany but couldn't find the components of it - will have a more detailed look if I get a chance tonight. I'd be interested to see a like for like comparison with Irish production. I know we often leave out land figures but is there a Teagasc figure for an average (60?) cow herd including a single industrial wage?

47 cent could probably be taken with a grain of salt to be fair, but realistically they don't do things by half's out their with lots of fancy sheds tractors and parlours combined with high cost indoor systems so it's fair to say alot of lads would definetly be north of 35 cent, the 60 cow herd in Ireland income wise in my view could mean a 100 different things levels of income factors like sfp, is their a laying hen, is farmer in reciept of farm assit along with debt levels all play a huge role in determining income levels on farm

Deepsouthwest · 03-06-2015 05:05PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Vaccinate now and then 1st week of dec again.
You can do yearly one then after you have done the 2 6 mth shots if you wish.
personally I prefer the 6th programme.
Cost is about 3e an animal per shot.
Do all animals Inc calves.
Get a few 20 ml bottles next soring and do cakves in batches as they turn 10 days + old. Really helped calf thrive here
we're using rispoval here

Excellent advice gg

Deepsouthwest · 03-06-2015 05:06PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Blood test every animal in the herd that is over two years old. Then vaccinate/sell/cull any positives. Much better approach.

For ibr?

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