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There are up to 7 dairy threads going at one time. What's your opinion on having a "one stop" dairy thread. I, in no way want to exclude anyone else esoecially Bob Charles we need him to keep us real and you never know we may even convert him! Mods you may have another opinion.

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kowtow

jaymla627 wrote: »

47 cent could probably be taken with a grain of salt to be fair, but realistically they don't do things by half's out their with lots of fancy sheds tractors and parlours combined with high cost indoor systems so it's fair to say alot of lads would definetly be north of 35 cent, the 60 cow herd in Ireland income wise in my view could mean a 100 different things levels of income factors like sfp, is their a laying hen, is farmer in reciept of farm assit along with debt levels all play a huge role in determining income levels on farm

German accounting is notoriously like humpty dumpty, things mean what they want them to mean - neither more nor less.

I doubt very much they include a wife's income - that doesn't make any sense either here or there. But on the basis that the average industrial wage is 40,000 then presumably it adds 13 or 14 c a litre to a moderate 60 cow herd?

I'll see if I can get the breakdown of the German figures.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Vaccinate now and then 1st week of dec again.
You can do yearly one then after you have done the 2 6 mth shots if you wish.
personally I prefer the 6th programme.
Cost is about 3e an animal per shot.
Do all animals Inc calves.
Get a few 20 ml bottles next soring and do cakves in batches as they turn 10 days + old. Really helped calf thrive here
we're using rispoval here

+1

Just make sure the first 2 vaccines are live marker vaccines and you can go onto the yearly booster if you want.

My vet recommends 3 years on the live vaccine ie 6 X 6 month vaccines but don't know how common that is tbh.

RightTurnClyde

kowtow wrote: »

I'll see if I can get the breakdown of the German figures.

Do, let us know how you get on. It would be interesting to see how one of the biggest producing competitors is getting on thein these times.

Cow Porter

howdee wrote: »

Hi folks, i have an update to my problems, we took samples from 20% of the herd last week and the results came back today. As many members had guessed already it is IBR in the herd.
Luckily the cows seem to be holding well to their second service, probably due to the improvement in the weather.
Obviously I am going to vaccinate the herd but can anyone tell me the ins and outs of the IBR vaccine. When should I vaccinate? How many time a year? Cost? Heifers? Type of vaccine?

Do you or is it likely down the road you would have breeding bulls for ai stud or breeding stock for export?

howdee

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Vaccinate now and then 1st week of dec again.
You can do yearly one then after you have done the 2 6 mth shots if you wish.
personally I prefer the 6th programme.
Cost is about 3e an animal per shot.
Do all animals Inc calves.
Get a few 20 ml bottles next soring and do cakves in batches as they turn 10 days + old. Really helped calf thrive here
we're using rispoval here

All male and female animals I presume?

Greengrass1

howdee wrote: »

All male and female animals I presume?

Ye do otherwise you could have infected ones still spreading infection.
I'm finding here any way alot less pneumonia related problems in calves/weanlings since we started

Dawggone

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

For ibr?

Yes. In three years your herd will be clear of IBR. Otherwise you will have to vaccinate ad finitum, with all the associated downsides.

Dawggone

kowtow wrote: »

German accounting is notoriously like humpty dumpty, things mean what they want them to mean - neither more nor less.

I doubt very much they include a wife's income - that doesn't make any sense either here or there. But on the basis that the average industrial wage is 40,000 then presumably it adds 13 or 14 c a litre to a moderate 60 cow herd?

I'll see if I can get the breakdown of the German figures.

I can throw in my cost of production.
Not inc labour and borrowings 22.8cpl

Including borrowings (dairy) 26.7cpl

Including all wages + dairy borrowings 42.8cpl

All the above include a land charge.

* Not realistic to include all wages as dairy is second most important enterprise of three.

yosemitesam1

Dawggone wrote: »

I can throw in my cost of production.
Not inc labour and borrowings 22.8cpl

Including borrowings (dairy) 26.7cpl

Including all wages/borrowings 42.8cpl

All the above include a land charge.

Would the French price always be a few cent ahead of here?

Dawggone

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Would the French price always be a few cent ahead of here?

Yes.
32cpl + vat for June.

kevthegaff

Dawggone wrote: »

Yes.
32cpl + vat for June.

Is the sfp ballancing the books? Sorry to be nosey

just do it

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye do otherwise you could have infected ones still spreading infection.
I'm finding here any way alot less pneumonia related problems in calves/weanlings since we started

Out of interest any BVD +ves removed? Would have had similar effect on herd health

howdee

Cow Porter wrote: »

Do you or is it likely down the road you would have breeding bulls for ai stud or breeding stock for export?

No and no, all breeding stock is sold locally. Would like to get bulls in to ai but that is not a priority that is high on my list.

Dawggone

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is the sfp ballancing the books? Sorry to be nosey

SFP???
Don't get you?

SFP has nothing to do with dairy!

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

SFP???
Don't get you?

SFP has nothing to do with dairy!

Are you not operating at a loss then if you need 42.8 c to pay labour loans and keep everything else paid?

Cow Porter

howdee wrote: »

No and no, all breeding stock is sold locally. Would like to get bulls in to ai but that is not a priority that is high on my list.

http://www.animalhealthireland.ie/page.php?id=61

we had an outbreak last year, serious drop in milk. went intra nasal on cows and inject everything else with rispoval live.... wouldn't recommend going intra nasal unless you have, its supposed to work quicker but some job to do all the cows

doing live on everything now every 6 months, may change to dead and go every 12 months, not sure yet

http://www.zoetis.ie/node/15004

http://www.bovilis.ie/ibr/

blackdog1

Dawggone wrote: »

Blood test every animal in the herd that is over two years old. Then vaccinate/sell/cull any positives. Much better approach.

Can you still do this after vaccinating with ibr live?.Or can they differenciate between live marker and actual virus?

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are you not operating at a loss then if you need 42.8 c to pay labour loans and keep everything else paid?

Shyte. I'm phucked!!

More than dairy here.

kowtow

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Do, let us know how you get on. It would be interesting to see how one of the biggest producing competitors is getting on thein these times.

Hmm... well the German figures are compiled in accordance with something I had not seen before, the EU FADB farm accounting standard. Basically this is a specialist EU quango which collects farm income and cost data all over Europe (including allegedly 100% of Irish dairy farms) and re-processes it 90 different ways to arrive at a basis for comparison.

I think it's actually there to provide the data to support the continuation of CAP and other farm support schemes but that is by the by.

If you want some real heavy weight analysis of dairy farm income / margin / costs around Europe the 2013 report is here:

http://ec.europa.eu/agriculture/ricaprod/pdf/Dairy_Farms_report_2013_WEB.pdf

They have some robust methods for ignoring and then re-attaching family labour, capital, and land - in fact they have a synthetic figure RFU (remuneration of family labour) which I suspect is actually the one we are all interested in when we talk about profit on farms. It's also the one we never seem to get here!

Pages 39/40/41 contain the summary graphs if you don't want to read the detail.

Dawggone

blackdog1 wrote: »

Can you still do this after vaccinating with ibr live?.Or can they differenciate between live marker and actual virus?

No. Once you vaccinate, they will always throw a positive.

Dawggone

Spot believing the hype.

In my corner things will be fine Atm

Maybe the freak show will extrapolate in Ireland... I dint know..

Who knows?

Greengrass1

Vet on the way here atm.
second calver came in yesterday morning with no milk. Ate her meal though. Still no milk last night or this morning

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Vet on the way here atm.
second calver came in yesterday morning with no milk. Ate her meal though. Still no milk last night or this morning

vet coming here too , group of calves with pneumonia. Also bull had a bit of a run in with relief milker this morning:mad:

Cow Porter

Dawggone wrote: »

No. Once you vaccinate, they will always throw a positive.

An ibr positive cow all always throw an ibr positive calf??

blackdog1

Cow Porter wrote: »

An ibr positive cow all always throw an ibr positive calf??

Probably depends on whether you vaccinated while she was in calf. Same as bvd I'd imagine

awaywithyou

blackdog1 wrote: »

Probably depends on whether you vaccinated while she was in calf. Same as bvd I'd imagine[/QUOTE

doubt if calf will be positive if cow is positive.... as far as i know ibr antibodies can be distinguished from ibr virus.....

Greengrass1

Topping up a few roads here.
Thinking 804 to dust on top
talking to a lad yesterday said he put limestone screenings on top of his says it works fine.
anyone else us it?

Dawggone

Cow Porter wrote: »

An ibr positive cow all always throw an ibr positive calf??

No, not necessarily.
When you vaccinate for IBR the animal will always test positive. The calf will mostly be free.

stanflt

Dawggone wrote: »

No, not necessarily.
When you vaccinate for IBR the animal will always test positive. The calf will mostly be free.

A cow that has had wild fire virus and has been vaccinated will still leave a calf free of Ibr- however do not feed besting from this cow to calves as she can pass the wild fire through the milk

The calf as a young calf will fail any test due to small amounts of antibodies but the calf will pass a test at 9 months of age provided that he has not been exposed to wild virus or been vaccinated while alive on fatm

Hope this makes sence

Milked out

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/lab-produced-milk-developed-by-scientists-182519/

Will we be looking at a pressure from the likes of this in 10, 15 years?