S05E08 - Hardhome - Have READ The Books

paulbok · 03-06-2015 03:06PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Targaryens aren't fireproof though.

They might have some heat resistance, but they will still burn. Dany has some resistance, but Drogons fire has burnt her.

Plenty of Targaryen kings in Westeros history have thought themselves fireproof and burnt to death as a result.

Maybe not dragon fire proof, but didn't Daeneyrs survived Drogos funeral pyre?

Mickeroo · 03-06-2015 03:07PM

paulbok wrote: »

Maybe now dragon fire proof, but Daeneyrs survived Drogos funeral pyre.

That was due to magic, though I do think the show has made her look fireproof on more than that occasion. She survived dragon fire in season two in the house of the undying and there was also the scalding hot bath early in season one that didn't bother her at all.

MrWalsh · 03-06-2015 03:10PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

That was due to magic, though I do think the show has made her look fireproof on more than that occasion. She survived dragon fire in season two in the house of the undying and there was also the scalding hot bath early in season one that didn't bother her at all.

Not to mention her dreamy eyed announcement of "Fire cannot kill a dragon" following Viserys golden crown.

Mr Freeze · 03-06-2015 03:13PM

paulbok wrote: »

Maybe not dragon fire proof, but didn't Daeneyrs survived Drogos funeral pyre?

I think that was explained with magic.

Plenty of Targs have died in the past due to be being burnt.
Viserys and his golden crown.
One of the Aegons was burnt in Summerhall along with half his court and family during some ritual to hatch dragon eggs.
And didn't one nutter drink wildfire in an attempt to turn into a dragon.

Plus we have seen Jon get burnt, he won't become fireproof once he and the audience know he half Targ.

03-06-2015 03:15PM

A few posters in the non-readers' thread are starting to sense that Olly will soon do something nefarious. Wondering if he will do something to himself or others, some posters over there are feeling a bit of drama/mutiny coming up at The Wall. I sense some internet breakage coming.

My favourite quote about Olly from the other thread after a poster suggests that at first he thought Olly poisoned Sam's food...

The little boll0x is up to something though.

Mickeroo · 03-06-2015 03:15PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I think that was explained with magic.

Plenty of Targs have died in the past due to be being burnt.
Viserys and his golden crown.
One of the Aegons was burnt in Summerhall along with half his court and family during some ritual to hatch dragon eggs.
And didn't one nutter drink wildfire in an attempt to turn into a dragon.

Yeah but in the show it's been more than just the pyre with Dany, I know Targs aren't fireproof but they certainly seem to have taken that slant with the show so far in Dany's case at least.

paulbok · 03-06-2015 03:17PM

exactly, she's the chosen one, true dragon heir etc.

Mr Freeze · 03-06-2015 03:18PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Yeah but in the show it's been more than just the pyre with Dany, I know Targs aren't fireproof but they certainly seem to have taken that slant with the show so far in Dany's case at least.

Agreed, they do tend to show her as fireproof.

We will see if Drogon burns her.

I'm nearly sure he burns her a bit in the book, she has melted hair and some burns on her body doesn't she after Daznaks?

From the last chapter

Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing.

Gran Hermano · 03-06-2015 03:25PM

Not surprised non-readers are suspecting Olly. It is more telegraphed than Morse code at this stage.

(Plus there's always a few disguising the fact they've read the books/spoilers in order to appear 'intelligent').

Mickeroo · 03-06-2015 03:26PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Agreed, they do tend to show her as fireproof.

We will see if Drogon burns her.

I'm nearly sure he burns her a bit in the book, she has melted hair and some burns on her body doesn't she after Daznaks?

From the last chapter

Yeah there's no question she isn't fireproof in the books.

Lovely Bloke · 03-06-2015 03:32PM

Gran Hermano wrote: »

(Plus there's always a few disguising the fact they've read the books/spoilers in order to appear 'intelligent').

It's bloody weird is what it is, and increasingly obvious.

jpm4 · 03-06-2015 04:23PM

Is there a reason why a White Walker would engage in hand to hand combat like that one did with Jon? I mean.....I just thought they would be above that sort of thing?

MrWalsh · 03-06-2015 04:26PM

jpm4 wrote: »

Is there a reason why a White Walker would engage in hand to hand combat like that one did with Jon? I mean.....I just thought they would be above that sort of thing?

Above it? Only if they have better ways of killing I guess. Given they can raise the dead with a hand wiggle, god knows what else they are capable of!

Lovely Bloke · 03-06-2015 04:28PM

Not sure if all the WWs can raise the dead, or just the NK?

MrWalsh · 03-06-2015 04:29PM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Not sure if all the WWs can raise the dead, or just the NK?

All of them I think.

Hyzepher · 03-06-2015 04:33PM

I got the sense that the WW were aware of Jon in some way - somehow aware of his differences (whatever they would be)

Mr Freeze · 03-06-2015 04:36PM

jpm4 wrote: »

Is there a reason why a White Walker would engage in hand to hand combat like that one did with Jon? I mean.....I just thought they would be above that sort of thing?

I thought it was just toying with him.

MrWalsh · 03-06-2015 04:45PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I thought it was just toying with him.

All fun and games til somebody shatters!

jpm4 · 03-06-2015 04:46PM

Hyzepher wrote: »

I got the sense that the WW were aware of Jon in some way - somehow aware of his differences (whatever they would be)

Agreed......

I think they are more threathening when just sitting on the side lines....when they wade in with a sword just like anyone else, they lose a bit of that awe factor.

Dyr · 03-06-2015 04:54PM

stankratz wrote: »

My favourite quote about Olly from the other thread after a poster suggests that at first he thought Olly poisoned Sam's food...

Feck was that in the NOT read thread? think i semispoilered by posting a response, thought I was in this thread

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

Mickeroo · 03-06-2015 04:56PM

Bambi wrote: »

Feck was that in the NOT read thread? think i semispoilered by posting a response, thought I was in this thread

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

Just delete the post, nobody replied to it or picked up on it.

the butcher · 03-06-2015 05:23PM

Remember fire can kill the wights, need the dragon/valyrian steel to kill a White Walker.

Someone in the thread said that the wights died falling off the cliff, this is incorrect, we saw during the ep a few seconds later that they were getting back up. Great seeing the giant Wunwun smashing some wights about.

Too many setup scenes with Olly/Jon/Sam that it's hard not to imagine him not getting stabby stabby with Jon in Ep 10.

I'd say it's more likely Ramsey will set fire to camp/supply lines which will create a distraction so he can kill/kidnap Shireen. They have set her up too much as well, Stannis hugging her, Davos convos etc. Hoping it won't happen but it seems likely now!! Meanwhile Sansa will try escape with Theon.

This will force Stannis to burn or bury Shireen (keep or let Me go back to the wall) and/or march to Winterfell but we will not see the battle until next season. Ramsay could steal his sword during the chaos, tell Roose that Stannis is dead and make Roose more vunerable to attack or Roose will head out as a show of force against what's left of Stannis's army.

At any rate the next episodes are going to be jam packed with awesomeness

FunLover18 · 03-06-2015 05:26PM

What I want to know what between the beginning of the series and now that the White Walkers decided "we need clothes". Weren't the early WWs just wearing loin clothes, the fact they couldn't feel the cold made them scarier.

03-06-2015 05:27PM

Bambi wrote: »

Feck was that in the NOT read thread? think i semispoilered by posting a response, thought I was in this thread

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

I actually had an 'oh shít' moment just after I posted that quote from the other thread. For a second, I thought I posted it in the 'NON Readers' thread and had to double check that I didn't just confirm that hell is about to break loose at The Wall.

It can happen too easily.

Danjamin1 · 03-06-2015 05:34PM

They're seriously telegraphing Olly stabbing Jon, but at this stage I'm starting to wonder if it's just blatant misdirection, they're being particularly obvious about it. No one will be surprised if he does stab him now. If they don't go with that angle and keep the brothers as the culprits then they need to come up with a reason, in the book wasn't it because Jon decides to ride to Winterfell to rescue Arya (which is actually Jayne Poole)? Wonder what the other reason could be, unless it's Ser Alistair that kicks it off?

MrWalsh · 03-06-2015 06:05PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

What I want to know what between the beginning of the series and now that the White Walkers decided "we need clothes". Weren't the early WWs just wearing loin clothes, the fact they couldn't feel the cold made them scarier.

Sexier in their designer battle gear.

There must be 100s of white walkers, Craster had 99 sons at least and god knows how many people left babies out before that. We saw 12 or 13 WWs in the scene with Crasters baby in season 4, they were dressed too I think.

duploelabs · 03-06-2015 06:22PM

Not forgetting sam the slayer's contribution

fits · 03-06-2015 06:33PM

Im wondering if John will be stabbed at all.. we don't know!

Witcher · 03-06-2015 06:51PM

Some info on Jon in this video, won't say too much.

Towards the end here if people care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefNSdfvfss

LionelNashe · 03-06-2015 07:30PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

They're seriously telegraphing Olly stabbing Jon, but at this stage I'm starting to wonder if it's just blatant misdirection, they're being particularly obvious about it. No one will be surprised if he does stab him now. If they don't go with that angle and keep the brothers as the culprits then they need to come up with a reason, in the book wasn't it because Jon decides to ride to Winterfell to rescue Arya (which is actually Jayne Poole)? Wonder what the other reason could be, unless it's Ser Alistair that kicks it off?

In the books I took it that they were being controlled by that warg who had recently arrived - one of the stabbers even said something like "it's not me" or something and he had tears in his eyes

Just to add, I don't think Olly is going to stab Jon. That wouldn't make sense. He may not like Jon being friendly to the wildlings, but the wildlings would be Olly's natural target. I think he's going to put an arrow in Luke Kelly.

S05E08 - Hardhome - Have READ The Books

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