S05E08 - Hardhome - Have READ The Books

Washington Irving

Great episode, plenty of subtle nods to book readers. The cat running across screen when Arya mentions the canals was great.

Tyrion adding some much needed wit and chuckle value to Dany's arc.

Curious to see what Sansa gets up to with her new info, if anything.

There's been several heavy hints at Olly being the one to stick the sword in Jon's back. Wildlings killing his village/family, him killing Ygritte, his becoming Jon's ward and bringing up the wildlings in every one of his scenes.

Wun Wun's introduction pretty much confirms Jon's 'death' for season finale, I think.

duploelabs

break the f***ing wheel.
That was one of three moments where I roared and clapped at the telly, only on the third time (the wight king resurrecting the wildlings) did I actually realise what I was doing.
Up there with Pine Barrens from Sopranos and Dead Freight from Breaking bad as one of the best TV I've ever seen.

Mormegil

connemara man wrote: »

They made a big deal of the giant he'll have a role to play at some point I'm sure. Given how heavy handed they are this year with the fore shadowing

He does have a name you know

Mickeroo

Jofspring wrote: »

It could be for either reason, valaryian steel or lightbringer. It seemed to come as a surprised to the leader/king of the wights when Jon killed the Wight with his sword.

Nah, it's pretty clear it's because of the valyrian steel imo, it's been hinted at several times through out the show and books that it has special properties, not to mention the big deal that gets made about all the different named swords.

duploelabs

Anyone notice that Dorne appeared in the title credits but not actually in the episode?

MonkeyTennis

Kick ass!!

PhiloCypher

You wait seasons for more White Walkers then 2 hundred thousand come at once !!!! Now THATS how to hammer (Hard)home the threat the White Walkers pose.

Absolutely amazing episode, the sort of big budget blowout normally reserved for episode 9, which along with Ramsey's boast that all he needs are 20 good men leads me to believe that Stannis's army will be defeated off screen (or at the very least shrouded in a snowstorm) ala whispering wood. To be honest I'm ok with that, the budget sadly can only stretch so far and it was far more important to showcase the long absent White walkers imo.

Was that small satchel all the dragon glass they have because if it is they are absolutely ****ed. The lords of the big houses may all have valaryian swords but that's not nearly enough to make a difference.

Son0vagun

Wonder will it be Briene sent to Skaros to find Rickon?

And how will Ramsey defeat Stannis with 20men?

Jofspring

PhiloCypher wrote: »

You wait seasons for more White Walkers then 2 hundred thousand come at once !!!! Now THATS how to hammer (Hard)home the threat the White Walkers pose.

Absolutely amazing episode, the sort of big budget blowout normally reserved for episode 9, which along with Ramsey's boast that all he needs are 20 good men leads me to believe that Stannis's army will be defeated off screen (or at the very least shrouded in a snowstorm) ala whispering wood. To be honest I'm ok with that, the budget sadly can only stretch so far and it was far more important to showcase the long absent White walkers imo.

Was that small satchel all the dragon glass they have because if it is they are absolutely ****ed. The lords of the big houses may all have valaryian swords but that's not nearly enough to make a difference.

Stannis commented a few episodes about dragon glass. It seemed like he was suggesting dragon stone had plenty of it.

Jofspring

Son0vagun wrote: »

Wonder will it be Briene sent to Skaros to find Rickon?

And how will Ramsey defeat Stannis with 20men?

I suppose with the weather it might be easier for 20 men to infiltrate Stannis camp and kill him.

Jon Stark

Given how much time they have given to developing Stannis this season there's no way they're having him defeated off screen.

Ramsey's boast deserves to be fcuking crushed, if they let him do serious damage to Stannis with 20 ****ing men, a man they've already described as the greatest military tactician in Westeros this season, then it's a farce.

Ramsey with a full army should be no match for Stannis, never mind Ramsey with 20 ****ing men.

Hans Bricks

It would hardly make sense for the Boltons to prevail. All this time developing Stannis, AA reborn, Melisandre is on the road with them + with Sansa, I reckon the North's revenge can't happen without Stannis.

RobbingBandit

Ramsay will meet his end upon Ned Starks blade or at least what's left of it.

Great episode but one thing was missing, Ser Barristan to whisper the tale he once heard told of The Mad King and the night he visited Lady Lannister at Casterly Rock...

We might get a ghostly vision next week perhaps.

mackthefinger

Incredible jaw dropping last twenty minutes of television there. I was just gawping at the screen by the end,
up there with Ned's beheading and the red wedding. Damn them for killing off the Borgen lady. So Valaryian steel
is forged using Dragon fire.

Agree that it's looking like Jon Snow is toast, everything's set up for it. Be more of a curveball if it doesn't happen I think.

Cersei's storyline ticking along nicely. Project Mountain seems to be gathering pace. Great to see Dany
and Tyrion clicking, the Mereen storyline badly needed it.
Por Ser Jorah friendzone, going down nobly fighting before he succumbs to greyscale. Really rooting for
Stannis now, really hope he doesn't get flayed by Ramsey.No Brienne for a bit, maybe she can ride to the rescue.
Arya's storyline has become a bit Meh for me.

Thankfully no Dorne. The last twenty minutes show how pointless that story is. Though I would like
to see a white walker introducing himself to the sandsnakes.

fits

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Great episode but one thing was missing, Ser Barristan to whisper the tale he once heard told of The Mad King and the night he visited Lady Lannister at Casterly Rock...

We might get a ghostly vision next week perhaps.

I don't remember that at all!

seamusk84

Loved it and my god those kids were creepy! Did ye notice Ramsey casually name dropping "A feast for crows"?

Loved the banter between Tyrion and Dany, it sort of how I have always imagined how it would go.
Also seems that instead of Tyrion and Penny in the fighting pit in front of Dany when Drogon makes his epic appearance, it will be Jorah. Hopefully we get to see Jorah fighting his way through the ranks Gladiator style in the next episodes!

froog

WOW

Washington Irving

I was under the impression it was known in Westeros that Valyrian steel contained dragonfire, and was thus effective against the Others, but maybe not.

GerB40 wrote: »

I don't understand how Jon killed the White Walker. Was it because of the Valyrian steel? Surely Sam would've found that in some old book.

He did, or at least he did in the books. He finds reference to 'dragonsteel' which him and Jon assume to be Valyrian steel.

mackthefinger wrote: »

Incredible jaw dropping last twenty minutes of television there. I was just gawping at the screen by the end,
up there with Ned's beheading and the red wedding. Damn them for killing off the Borgen lady. So Valaryian steel
is forged using Dragon fire.

It's manufactured using dragonfire. It can be forged without it, like we saw with Ice being melted down and made into Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper.

Sugar Free

Great episode. Something I've often wondered about from the books as well as this episode is how do they fight that army without thousands of dragonglass daggers/Valyrian swords.

From what I recall from the books, there are only an estimated 200 Valyrian swords distributed among the houses. Obviously the show can change that detail if they wish but I'd love to see some type of 'coming together for the greater good' whereby Dragonstone is harvested for it's dragonglass and a united Westerosi army goes up against the Others and their slaves.

Wishful thinking though!

Mr. Incognito

Sugar Free wrote: »

Great episode. Something I've often wondered about from the books as well as this episode is how do they fight that army without thousands of dragonglass daggers/Valyrian swords.

From what I recall from the books, there are only an estimated 200 Valyrian swords distributed among the houses. Obviously the show can change that detail if they wish but I'd love to see some type of 'coming together for the greater good' whereby Dragonstone is harvested for it's dragonglass and a united Westerosi army goes up against the Others and their slaves.

Wishful thinking though!

With dragons.......

Sugar Free

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

With dragons.......

Oh yeah, forgot about those little critters!

Cienciano

Some episode. Well wildlings, that's why you team up with your enemies! That undead army was brilliantly done. White walkers looked class too.

ixoy

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

With dragons.......

As the OH said, the show will end as being Dragons vs Zombies.

letowski

And 'ice spiders as big as hounds'.

Duckworth_Luas

letowski wrote: »

And 'ice spiders as big as hounds'.

Luckily the Wall is 700ft high because spiders can't climb wal..... :eek:

fizzypish

Game. Of. Thrones. For anybody who complains about slow episodes where nothing seemingly happens. All those episodes enamor us to characters, progress story line and build. Build to the like of the episode just witnessed. The impact of such an episode would be diminished without that story building. I have never read these books but am an avid literary fantasy fan. I can count hundreds of pages of books build to mere pages and when you get to those pages, all that slower stuff is completely necessarily and worthwhile. Long my it continue!

MrWalsh

ixoy wrote: »

As the OH said, the show will end as being Dragons vs Zombies.

Well it is A Song of Ice and Fire.

Peregrine

fits wrote: »

I don't remember that at all!

Ser Barristan told Daenerys that Aerys wanted Joanna Lannister and about his inapproriate behaviour towards her(particularly during her bedding ritual). There were also rumours that he took her maidenhead before she got married. I think that was all that was mentioned.

The theory is that Tyrion is actually Aerys' son, not Tywin's.

MrWalsh

I thought the theory was that Jaime and Cersei were Aerys children.

Peregrine

MrWalsh wrote: »

I thought the theory was that Jaime and Cersei were Aerys children.

Was it? Oops!

I just thought, since she was in KL the year before Tyrion was born and all.