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The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

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  • #5222
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Sorry I'm not conforming the way you'd like me to, then again, no, I'm not sorry at all.

    No, no...you're conforming exactly as I expected. No biggie :)


  • #5223
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Why on Earth would I ask Iona for your thoughts on why they are reluctant to disclose their sources of funding?

    Well I am happy Iona are acting in the best interests of the organisation and the causes they fight for. :)


  • #5224
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Well I am happy Iona are acting in the best interests of the organisation and the causes they fight for. :)

    Does this happiness prevent you from having thoughts on why Iona are reluctant to disclose their sources of funding?

    It seems even Breda O'Brien, a patron of Iona, isn't aware of their sources of funding. Do you think that is because Breda hasn't bothered to inform herself or because that information is on a need to know basis?


  • #5225
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Here are Christians who believe
    If there is no clearly stated directive in the Bible to marginalize and ostracize gay people, then it is morally indefensible for Christians to continue to do so.

    http://notalllikethat.org/taking-god-at-his-word-the-bible-and-homosexuality/


  • #5226
    Greaney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭Greaney


    The Ashers have lost their appeal.


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  • #5227
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭homer911


    Greaney wrote: »
    The Ashers have lost their appeal.

    I could speculate that this will boost the No vote - the uncertainty of what would happen as a consequence of a Yes vote..


  • #5228
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭homer911


    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-32791239


  • #5229
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    homer911 wrote: »
    I could speculate that this will boost the No vote - the uncertainty of what would happen as a consequence of a Yes vote..

    Yes... because Belfast is in the same country as... oh... hang on... Belfast is in a different country and our Constitution doesn't apply there...


  • #5230
    homer911
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,165 ✭✭✭homer911


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Yes... because Belfast is in the same country as... oh... hang on... Belfast is in a different country and our Constitution doesn't apply there...

    Gee, thanks for the geography lesson! You learn something new every day!:rolleyes:


  • #5231
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    homer911 wrote: »
    Gee, thanks for the geography lesson! You learn something new every day!:rolleyes:

    So you agree it is not relevant to what happens in this jurisdiction.

    Excellent.

    Glad we cleared that up.


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  • #5232
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Just seen a new facebook page; homophobia awareness.... photo of an Irish Cardinal above that of a person reported to have been his advisor


  • #5233
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,598 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    So you agree it is not relevant to what happens in this jurisdiction.

    Excellent.

    Glad we cleared that up.
    Actually, it is relevant in this jurisdiction. The case revolved around whether Ashers actions were in violation of UK law implementing the European Convention on Human Rights. The case will be relevant to every country which has ratified the Convention and enacted laws to implement it - including the Republic.


  • #5234
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Actually, it is relevant in this jurisdiction. The case revolved around whether Ashers actions were in violation of UK law implementing the European Convention on Human Rights. The case will be relevant to every country which has ratified the Convention and enacted laws to implement it - including the Republic.

    In terms of the upcoming Referendum it is not relevant to whether or not a same-sex couple in the Republic can marry however.


  • #5235
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,598 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    In terms of the upcoming Referendum it is not relevant to whether or not a same-sex couple in the Republic can marry however.
    Well, marginally. If the referendum passes, and if that results in more same-sex couples holding wedding celebrations and wanting cakes for them them, bakers who don't want to supply cakes for same-sex weddings are more likely to have people trying to commission the cakes that they don't want to supply, and Ashers Bakery will be persuasive authority that they have to supply them.

    But of course the problem arises already. Bakers can be asked to supply cakes for civil partnership celebrations, or for non-legally-binding ceremonies celebrating same-sex coupledom. Ashers Bakery is relevant to them too.

    The referendum, if passed, will make Ashers Bakery slightly more relevant if, and only if, it leads to more same-sex couples tying the knot, and thefore more demand for gay-friendly confectionery.


  • #5236
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Well, marginally. If the referendum passes, and if that results in more same-sex couples holding wedding celebrations and wanting cakes for them them, bakers who don't want to supply cakes for same-sex weddings are more likely to have people trying to commission the cakes that they don't want to supply, and Ashers Bakery will be persuasive authority that they have to supply them.

    A persuasive authority? From another jurisdiction... that doesn't even have gay marriage...


  • #5237
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,598 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    A persuasive authority? From another jurisdiction... that doesn't even have gay marriage...
    Yup. Life's like that sometimes.


  • #5238
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Yup. Life's like that sometimes.

    I remain to be convinced. Our Courts have no problem distinguishing our law from our neighbours and it certainly is not an automatic authority.


  • #5239
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,598 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I remain to be convinced. Our Courts have no problem distinguishing our law from our neighbours and it certainly is not an automatic authority.
    No, it's not binding. But it's relevant, it will be cited and it's persuasive. How persuasive will depend on how well reasoned it is and on whether, in some detail, it depends on the Convention being implemented in NI law in a way that is different to how it has been implemented in the law of the Republic.


  • #5240
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,998 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    I remain to be convinced. Our Courts have no problem distinguishing our law from our neighbours and it certainly is not an automatic authority.

    Barristers from both jurisdictions look for case law in the other to assist them in seeking favourable judgements on behalf of clients all the time.


  • #5241
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Does this happiness prevent you from having thoughts on why Iona are reluctant to disclose their sources of funding?

    It seems even Breda O'Brien, a patron of Iona, isn't aware of their sources of funding. Do you think that is because Breda hasn't bothered to inform herself or because that information is on a need to know basis?

    Maybe send Breda an email to satiate your frustration. :)


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  • #5242
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Here are Christians who believe



    http://notalllikethat.org/taking-god-at-his-word-the-bible-and-homosexuality/

    I seek to ostrasize no man or woman. :)


  • #5243
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Maybe send Breda an email to satiate your frustration. :)

    Oh there you are.

    Still thoughtless are we?

    Good. Good.

    Conforming nicely to expectations.


  • #5244
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    homer911 wrote: »
    I could speculate that this will boost the No vote - the uncertainty of what would happen as a consequence of a Yes vote..

    Indeed.

    A brief glimpse of how freedom of conscience will be a thing of the past is an intolerant, Liberal Agenda obsessed society.


  • #5245
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I seek to ostrasize no man or woman. :)

    Oh don't tell fibs.

    I hear that's a sin.


  • #5246
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Just seen a new facebook page; homophobia awareness.... photo of an Irish Cardinal above that of a person reported to have been his advisor

    Another attack on Catholicism.


  • #5247
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh there you are.

    Still thoughtless are we?

    Good. Good.

    Conforming nicely to expectations.

    Did you miss me. Aww bless. ;)


  • #5248
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh don't tell fibs.

    I hear that's a sin.
    There you go again with the personal attack. Labelling me a liar now.


  • #5249
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Another attack on Catholicism.

    How is the truth an attack?


  • #5250
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    How is the truth an attack?

    So Catholics are homophobes in your world view?


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  • #5251
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    There you go again with the personal attack. Labelling me a liar now.

    But you do seek to ostracize.

    You want to prevent homosexuals from entering into a contract of civil marriage and therefore to exclude (or to use another word which means the same thing 'ostracize;) them from the Constitutional protections that are only available to married couples.

    You said it yourself.

    I am merely pointing out that claiming you do not want to ostracize anyone isn't true. Therefore it's a fib.

    Is fibbing not a sin?


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