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The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

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  • #5162
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who poured scorn?

    I think it is only fair that if one is going to go around casting aspersions on other people's funding that one is open and transparent about one's own.

    So apart from yourself - who are the other contributors to Iona's coffers?
    Why the secrecy if there is nothing to hide?

    I have no idea the identity of other contributors, nor have I asked. I trust them. Is my trust to be fair game to your scorn?


  • #5163
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Who mentioned Catholicism?

    I didn't.

    Your faux innocence is fooling no one.

    Sadly this type of sarcastic attacks on people of Faith is part of the Liberal orthodoxy these days.


  • #5164
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Your faux innocence is fooling no one.

    Sadly this type of sarcastic attacks on people of Faith is part of the Liberal orthodoxy these days.

    No one is attacking people of faith, they are attacking faith, there is a difference.


  • #5165
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have no idea the identity of other contributors, nor have I asked. I trust them. Is my trust to be fair game to your scorn?

    You are just desperate to be scorned. Why is that I wonder.

    I am simply asking a perfectly valid, unscornful, question re: sources of funding and pondering, equally unscornfully, as to why there is such secrecy surrounding the funding of a group who are casting aspersions on other groups sources of funding.

    You might take it on trust, me - I like to see audited accounts.


  • #5166
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Your faux innocence is fooling no one.

    Sadly this type of sarcastic attacks on people of Faith is part of the Liberal orthodoxy these days.

    Liberal orthodoxy - isn't that an oxymoron?


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  • #5167
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You are just desperate to be scorned. Why is that I wonder.

    I am simply asking a perfectly valid, unscornful, question re: sources of funding and pondering, equally unscornfully, as to why there is such secrecy surrounding the funding of a group who are casting aspersions on other groups sources of funding.

    You might take it on trust, me - I like to see audited accounts.
    See? You can post comments in a normal, respectful tone. Thank you.

    There is no compunction on Iona to provide you with audited accounts, to my knowledge.


  • #5168
    Black Menorca
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    marienbad wrote: »
    No one is attacking people of faith, they are attacking faith, there is a difference.

    Sadly that is clearly not the case.


  • #5169
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    See? You can post comments in a normal, respectful tone. Thank you.

    There is no compunction on Iona to provide you with audited accounts, to my knowledge.

    Then why make a big deal about the funding of other groups ?

    And I am open to correction but I think that as a charity they are supposed to give some detail.


  • #5170
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Sadly that is clearly not the case.

    Yes it is in the main , But if the likes of David Quinn and Breda O'Brian throw their hats in the ring then they are fair game just like any other lobby group .

    Would you dis-agree ?


  • #5171
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    marienbad wrote: »
    Then why make a big deal about the funding of other groups ?

    And I am open to correction but I think that as a charity they are supposed to give some detail.

    If you have evidence Iona are in contention with Revenue rules please provide it to the authorities.

    The worrying part for me isn't the money from Feeney, but the proud claim from Glen that they act and lobby from within Government circles.


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  • #5172
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    marienbad wrote: »
    Yes it is in the main , But if the likes of David Quinn and Breda O'Brian throw their hats in the ring then they are fair game just like any other lobby group .

    Would you dis-agree ?

    Totally disagree.

    The Liberal extremists have normalised the idea that a No voter on Friday is automatically a homophobic bigot.


  • #5173
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    Black Menorca wrote: »

    Sadly this type of sarcastic attacks on people of Faith is part of the Liberal orthodoxy these days.

    I don't actually think that it is people of faith who are being attacked here. There is no referendum on Friday that I know of, asking the general population whether or not you should be allowed to practice your faith. You are not constantly confronted with posters, debates, and comments across every variety of media which say you should not be allowed to practice your faith, or that you shouldn't be allowed to parent because of your faith.


  • #5174
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Breda O'Brien was on Matt Cooper earlier in a debate and she raised the issue of Atlantic Philantrophies funding the Yes campaign.

    It was my understanding that the money from Atlantic went to GLEN and the last payment was 4 years ago. Nothing wrong with that either so long as Atlantic weren't funding the Yes campaign itself which to my knowledge they aren't - the fund itself is nearly at an end anyway.

    The panel turned the question back at her regarding Iona - she didn't have any idea where the funding for Iona comes from, despite being a patron. I'll be charitable and take her at her word, but she really should do her homework. People in glass houses and all that.


  • #5175
    Black Menorca
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    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I don't actually think that it is people of faith who are being attacked here. There is no referendum on Friday that I know of, asking the general population whether or not you should be allowed to practice your faith. You are not constantly confronted with posters, debates, and comments across every variety of media which say you should not be allowed to practice your faith, or that you shouldn't be allowed to parent because of your faith.

    I was referring to the sneering of another poster on this thread.

    A sneering that has become acceptable and has been seen throughout this referendum campaign whereby people voting No are considered bead rattling bigots by some.


  • #5176
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    See? You can post comments in a normal, respectful tone. Thank you.

    There is no compunction on Iona to provide you with audited accounts, to my knowledge.

    As a registered charity they should supply the charity commission with accounts yet appear to have neglected to do so.

    As a registered company they are required to file end of years returns yet appear to have failed to do so.

    All these questions about their funding would just go away if they were transparent but they appear to not wish to be...

    Why is that?


  • #5177
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Breda O'Brien was on Matt Cooper earlier in a debate and she raised the issue of Atlantic Philantrophies funding the Yes campaign.

    It was my understanding that the money from Atlantic went to GLEN and the last payment was 4 years ago. Nothing wrong with that either so long as Atlantic weren't funding the Yes campaign itself which to my knowledge they aren't - the fund itself is nearly at an end anyway.

    The panel turned the question back at her regarding Iona - she didn't have any idea where the funding for Iona comes from, despite being a patron. I'll be charitable and take her at her word, but she really should do her homework. People in glass houses and all that.

    They get funding from me ad many other sources, especially in the US.


  • #5178
    Black Menorca
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    As a registered charity they should supply the charity commission with accounts yet appear to have neglected to do so.

    As a registered company they are required to file end of years returns yet appear to have failed to do so.

    All these questions about their funding would just go away if they were transparent but they appear to not wish to be...

    Why is that?

    If you have evidence Iona are acting illegally, please stump it up. :)


  • #5179
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    They get funding from me ad many other sources, especially in the US.

    How do you know this?


  • #5180
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I was referring to the sneering of another poster on this thread.

    A sneering that has become acceptable and has been seen throughout this referendum campaign whereby people voting No are considered bead rattling bigots by some.

    Sneering?

    Oh dear.

    I do apologise if I appear to be sneering - I shall follow your example and restrict myself to condescending with a dollop of victimhood in future.


  • #5181
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    They get funding from me ad many other sources, especially in the US.

    What sources in the U.S. ?


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  • #5182
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    If you have evidence Iona are acting illegally, please stump it up. :)

    Why the secrecy?


  • #5183
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    They get funding from me ad many other sources, especially in the US.

    Is that right? Care to provide some links so we can all see? Or do we just have to keep speculating since the Iona funding is somewhat less than transparent...


  • #5184
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    How do you know this?

    General sources.


  • #5185
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    General sources.

    Such as?


  • #5186
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    What sources in the U.S. ?

    Individuals and/or organisations who share admire Iona's work in Ireland I would assume.


  • #5187
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Sneering?

    Oh dear.

    I do apologise if I appear to be sneering - I shall follow your example and restrict myself to condescending with a dollop of victimhood in future.

    There you go again.


  • #5188
    Not a NSA agent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 781 ✭✭✭Not a NSA agent


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    General sources.

    So a member of iona is having a go at a group for receiving funding from america 4 years ago but doesnt know where their own funding comes from but you know that iona are currently receiving funding from there?


  • #5189
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Such as?

    Discussions I've had with people ITK.


  • #5190
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Not a NSA agent wrote: »
    So a member of iona is having a go at a group for receiving funding from america 4 years ago but you know that iona are currently receiving funding from there?

    If you go over my posts again you might see that my issue is with the Feeney funded organisation claiming with pride that they have internal and constant access to Government circles.


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  • #5191
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    If you go over my posts again you might see that my issue is with the Feeney funded organisation claiming with pride that they have internal and constant access to Government circles.

    Do they have a senator in their pocket or something?

    Does Ronan know?


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