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Teenager dies after allegedly taking PMMA Pills *Mod warning first post*

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  • #122
    Motley Crue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    the nikkei is rising wrote: »
    She was 18/19 you cretin. No discussion to be had about sympathy it's a foregone conclusion for anyone not acting the bigman on the internet.

    Do you honestly believe at 18 she was able to make those kind of decisions rationally? Surely we all remember how hormone driven and "in the moment" we felt when we were that age. Hell, there are some posts I wrote when I was 18 and 19 on this site that are archived...I read them back now and feel like I'm staring at a different person.

    So many people in their late teens to late 20s might be legally adults, a lot of them might also even be parents....but that doesn't actually mean they possess the responsibility or maturity to act like it.....it's a learning curve and different strokes for different folks


  • #123
    the nikkei is rising
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭the nikkei is rising


    Motley Crue wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe at 18 she was able to make those kind of decisions rationally? Surely we all remember how hormone driven and "in the moment" we felt when we were that age. Hell, there are some posts I wrote when I was 18 and 19 on this site that are archived...I read them back now and feel like I'm staring at a different person.

    So many people in their late teens to late 20s might be legally adults, a lot of them might also even be parents....but that doesn't actually mean they possess the responsibility or maturity to act like it.....it's a learning curve and different strokes for different folks

    I agree, some of us even struggle with reading comprehension well into our twenties


  • #124
    Whosthis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Whosthis


    porsche959 wrote: »
    The prohibitionists will be screeching, but actually it is an argument for legislation and regulation.

    You missed the most important -tion, Education. I think the last national drug usage study was done in 2013 and found that over 30% of 15-35 year old use drugs. When one in three of your young adults are using drugs education needs to amount to something a little more practical and useful than " all drugs are bad, don't take them."


  • #125
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Not a great comparison there, people who take drugs know the risks.

    Statistically speaking your chances of dying from taking ecstasy are probably as low as a lot of other activities.


  • #126
    Just Be Yourself
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Just Be Yourself


    Motley Crue wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe at 18 she was able to make those kind of decisions rationally? Surely we all remember how hormone driven and "in the moment" we felt when we were that age. Hell, there are some posts I wrote when I was 18 and 19 on this site that are archived...I read them back now and feel like I'm staring at a different person.

    So many people in their late teens to late 20s might be legally adults, a lot of them might also even be parents....but that doesn't actually mean they possess the responsibility or maturity to act like it.....it's a learning curve and different strokes for different folks

    Speak for yourself lad. I never took ecstasy when I was a teenager. I didn't want to die or turn into a burned out retard. None of my friends did either. Most people have enough sense to stay away from the stuff.


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  • #127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mod

    A teenager is dead. A family is grieving.

    Keep your smug condescending posts for another thread.


  • #128
    vangoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭vangoz


    Depraved wrote: »
    No sympathy for adults/older teens who take recreational drugs. They are old enough to know the risks of ingesting/injection/smoking a substance of unknown quantity & content supplied to them by people who couldn't give a damn about their life/health.

    Cant believe this is the highest thanked post in the thread - Yous are all c*nts


  • #129
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Depraved wrote: »
    They are old enough to know the risks of ingesting/injection/smoking a substance of unknown quantity & content supplied to them by people who couldn't give a damn about their life/health.
    Are there any other salespeople you can think of who have this attitude towards their customers?

    Especially ones who may be prosecuted for manslaughter or similar if the product they supply causes death. e.g. are there really chefs out there who couldn't give a damn about their customers life/health and knowingly serve up potentially deadly bacteria laiden food?

    If there really are salesmen/chefs this stupid I think they are in a minority.

    There was a pharmacist recently in the news who gave the wrong medicine out to a woman who later died, the last thing that would have crossed my mind would have been that she did not care about her customers life.


  • #130
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    Speak for yourself lad. I never took ecstasy when I was a teenager. I didn't want to die or turn into a burned out retard. None of my friends did either. Most people have enough sense to stay away from the stuff.

    How old are you, may I ask? If you're early 30s like myself I doubt that none of your friends tried E. It's possible of course, just not likely in my opinion.

    But then again as a burned out retard, what would I know?


  • #131
    [Deleted User]
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    But they, the vast majority of the time, will.
    I'm not saying pills are no big deal - they're not for everyone and people have to be careful, but there is simply no benefit in misinformation.

    Oh yes I agree with you. I used to take the things when I was younger very frequently. However, I have also seen many of my friends end up very ill/in hospital because of them. And these would also have been pills with something else in them, not MDMA. Which would most likely be prevented by a testing kit.


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  • #132
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,730 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    RIP poor girl. all drugs should be legalised. dreadful story


  • #133
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    vangoz wrote: »
    Cant believe this is the highest thanked post in the thread - Yous are all c*nts

    I'm more surprised we're both surprised. This forum becomes more like a Republican Party Convention every day.


  • #134
    vangoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭vangoz


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    Speak for yourself lad. I never took ecstasy when I was a teenager. I didn't want to die or turn into a burned out retard. None of my friends did either. Most people have enough sense to stay away from the stuff.

    Not sure which rock you have living under but taking ecstasy doesn't turn you into a burned out retard, the fact that you think that reflects poorly on your own "intelligence"


  • #135
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I know a few alcoholics and I do feel sorry for them. One acquaintance drank himself to death in the past month, picked him up recently, he was stinking of rotting flesh, asked him if he wanted to go to a doctor or if I could take him for a meal or to his relations. He asked me to take him to the pub. He died a week later. Must say I don't share your "he knew the risks, screw him" attitude.

    I think the point is that with illegal drugs, there is always going to be uncertainties about the product. No quality control, so you don't know what you are getting, unlike with booze.


  • #136
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,566 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Any clueless teen can find drugs, but police can't.


  • #137
    Just Be Yourself
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Just Be Yourself


    Collie D wrote: »
    How old are you, may I ask? If you're early 30s like myself I doubt that none of your friends tried E. It's possible of course, just not likely in my opinion.

    But then again as a burned out retard, what would I know?

    27. And no they didn't. Believe it or not, for a lot of people getting off their heads on random pills made in a back street lab is not that appealing.


  • #138
    Arsemageddon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    Speak for yourself lad. I never took ecstasy when I was a teenager. I didn't want to die or turn into a burned out retard. None of my friends did either. Most people have enough sense to stay away from the stuff.

    It never did me or any of my friends any harm. Same goes for the vast majority of people who take it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/mar/23/constitution.drugsandalcohol

    However, it is interesting though that you seem to think your an expert on something you have no personal experience of. Go you!


  • #139
    Just Be Yourself
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Just Be Yourself


    vangoz wrote: »
    Not sure which rock you have living under but taking ecstasy doesn't turn you into a burned out retard, the fact that you think that reflects poorly on your own "intelligence"

    It most certainly does. Look on any drugs forum and you'll find many posts by people who say they were never same after taking too much e.


  • #140
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Collie D wrote: »
    How old are you, may I ask? If you're early 30s like myself I doubt that none of your friends tried E. It's possible of course, just not likely in my opinion.

    But then again as a burned out retard, what would I know?

    I'll bet he poured plenty of drink down his neck as a young man. But that's ok because isn't alcohol legal and an acceptable form of inebriation. Well it kills brain cells, but it's legal and acceptable. Did I mention liver damage? Doesn't really matter because well, it's legal and acceptable.


  • #141
    EoghanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,080 ✭✭✭EoghanIRL


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    RIP poor girl. all drugs should be legalised. dreadful story

    No they shouldn't.
    If anything what we need is a zero tolerance policy.


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  • #142
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    It most certainly does. Look on any drugs forum and you'll find many posts by people who say they were never same after taking too much e.

    The clue is in the bolded bit there.


  • #143
    Aineoil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭Aineoil


    Motley Crue wrote: »
    Do you honestly believe at 18 she was able to make those kind of decisions rationally? Surely we all remember how hormone driven and "in the moment" we felt when we were that age. Hell, there are some posts I wrote when I was 18 and 19 on this site that are archived...I read them back now and feel like I'm staring at a different person.

    So many people in their late teens to late 20s might be legally adults, a lot of them might also even be parents....but that doesn't actually mean they possess the responsibility or maturity to act like it.....it's a learning curve and different strokes for different folks

    You make a strong point in your post. I am 49 (4 months to the big 50), but if I met me at 18 now, I think I'd hate that person I was.

    I was so black and white about issues at 18. But life has taught me that things are more complicated. There will always be questions but the answers are.......well not so simple.


  • #144
    vangoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭vangoz


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    It most certainly does. Look on any drugs forum and you'll find many posts by people who say they were never same after taking too much e.

    That doesn't support what you are saying at all - Read any driving forum and you'll here stories about people crashing cars, so using your logic that means everyone who drove a car is a paraplegic.


  • #145
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    God love her family, I only hope her father made it back in time to say goodbye
    May she rip


  • #146
    Just Be Yourself
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Just Be Yourself


    pablo128 wrote: »
    I'll bet he poured plenty of drink down his neck as a young man. But that's ok because isn't alcohol legal and an acceptable form of inebriation. Well it kills brain cells, but it's legal and acceptable. Did I mention liver damage? Doesn't really matter because well, it's legal and acceptable.

    And yet there's no chance of me dying after one bad pint and yeah I could drink a bottle of vodka everyday for years and kill myself, but that's not on my agenda. Funny to see all the drug users getting upset when someone dares criticise their precious pills or weed.


  • #147
    Whosthis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Whosthis


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    No they shouldn't.
    If anything what we need is a zero tolerance policy.

    Can you point to a single instance of zero tolerance prohibition laws being effective and resulting in zero usage?


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    And yet there's no chance of me dying after one bad pint and yeah I could drink a bottle of vodka everyday for years and kill myself, but that's not on my agenda. Funny to see all the drug users getting upset when someone dares criticise their precious pills or weed.

    Mod

    Don't post in this thread again.


  • #149
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    Just Be Yourself wrote: »
    And yet there's no chance of me dying after one bad pint and yeah I could drink a bottle of vodka everyday for years and kill myself, but that's not on my agenda. Funny to see all the drug users getting upset when someone dares criticise their precious pills or weed.

    To be fair the weed won't kill them, drink has a higer kill rate then weed.


  • #150
    vangoz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,009 ✭✭✭vangoz


    EoghanIRL wrote: »
    No they shouldn't.
    If anything what we need is a zero tolerance policy.

    The legality of drugs doesn't make a difference, I think that has been proven time and time again.


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  • #151
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Whosthis wrote: »
    You missed the most important -tion, Education. I think the last national drug usage study was done in 2013 and found that over 30% of 15-35 year old use drugs. When one in three of your young adults are using drugs education needs to amount to something a little more practical and useful than " all drugs are bad, don't take them."

    True.

    -educate
    -regulate
    -legalise


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