Teenager dies after allegedly taking PMMA Pills Mod warning first post

nxbyveromdwjpg · 17-05-2015 07:43PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I've never heard of pill testing booths. Are they set up and regulated under legislation in these countries?

I believe so, they have them in the UK as well.

Here is the Spanish one - http://energycontrol.org/

I notice that the main page has a warning about these exact Superman pills, dated a month ago.
Ireland has nowhere giving such a warning, and now someone has died.

Rough Sleeper · 17-05-2015 07:44PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I don't buy the "but E's/insert drug of choice here are different!!" argument either... as we've seen in this case.

Why are you trying to use this case to bolster your point when it seems that it wasn't ecstasy that killed her?

Aineoil · 17-05-2015 07:49PM

Lads and Lassies, go easy here.

A family have lost their beautiful daughter and must be in turmoil. Put your hand up if you never did something stupid at 18.

Rough Sleeper · 17-05-2015 07:55PM

Aineoil wrote: »

Lads and Lassies, go easy here.

A family have lost their beautiful daughter and must be in turmoil. Put your hand up if you never did something stupid at 18.

I'd actually put down taking pills at 18 as one of my better decisions over the years.

kerry4sam · 17-05-2015 07:56PM

Oh This is just heart-breaking!

Her heartbroken father was understood to be travelling back to Dublin from the United States to be with his daughter last night.

I hope her Loving family & friends stay strong over the coming days & weeks.
The hurt & anger will continue for years, maybe for as long as they live; but I Hope all will remember this young, this beautiful young girl, who appears to have loved & lived life in a happy way.

Thought & Prayers to all who knew her,
kerry4sam

vangoz · 17-05-2015 08:03PM

Depraved wrote: »

No sympathy for adults/older teens who take recreational drugs. They are old enough to know the risks of ingesting/injection/smoking a substance of unknown quantity & content supplied to them by people who couldn't give a damn about their life/health.

Do you have sympathy for car crash victims, they should know the risks once they get behind the wheel.

batistuta9 · 17-05-2015 08:05PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

As I alluded to earlier, the legalisation of alcohol hasn't stopped people abusing it and the huge social, personal/family cost that has.. legalising more mind-altering drugs isn't going to work out any better! I don't buy the "but E's/insert drug of choice here are different!!" argument either... as we've seen in this case.
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no but when you go to the offy/shop you know you're buying, the strength/units if you're bothered about them. (though shorts in pubs/clubs f-knows what you're really getting)

if you want to buy e's/coke you don't what you're really getting, what % it is, etc.

those drugs like alcohol would be safer when legalised

cloud493 · 17-05-2015 08:05PM

Jeez, I'm sorry to hear that. RIP.

Galwayguy35 · 17-05-2015 08:09PM

vangoz wrote: »

Do you have sympathy for car crash victims, they should know the risks once they get behind the wheel.

Not a great comparison there, people who take drugs know the risks.

17-05-2015 08:11PM

So sad to hear she has died. Her poor family! She was so young. RIP.

It does sound silly, but many people take pills thinking "they'll be grand". Especially younger people. I've seen it with lots of my friends. Scary stuff.

silverfeather · 17-05-2015 08:12PM

Aren't all ecstasy and illegal pills dodgy in the end though really?

Poor girl I feel for her family.

renegademaster · 17-05-2015 08:12PM

nm wrote: »

I believe so, they have them in the UK as well.

Here is the Spanish one - http://energycontrol.org/

I notice that the main page has a warning about these exact Superman pills, dated a month ago.
Ireland has nowhere giving such a warning, and now someone has died.

Its a crying shame that!! This life could have most likely been saved if the proper info was out there or heaven forbid people were allowed buy small amounts of regulated mdma and go out to have a good dance for themselves. another senseless death from backstreet drugs!! RIP

silverfeather · 17-05-2015 08:13PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Not a great comparison there, people who take drugs know the risks.

They are woefully ignorant though. And young people think they know better.

dxhound2005 · 17-05-2015 08:13PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

no but when you go to the offy/shop you know you're buying, the strength/units if you're bothered about them. (though shorts in pubs/clubs f-knows what you're really getting)

if you want to buy e's/coke you don't what you're really getting, what % it is, etc.

those drugs like alcohol would be safer when legalised

Drugs like morphine and cocaine are already legal for use in treatments by medical professionals and dentists. Another street drug is a horse tranquiliser, prescribed by veterenarians. They have no place as a form of mind altering recreation.

The only exception that I know of is marajuana which is currently not indicated for medical treatments. I would have nothing against it being legalised to treat certain conditions where apparently it can be efficacous.

Cold War Kid · 17-05-2015 08:14PM

Lia_lia wrote: »

It does sound silly, but many people take pills thinking "they'll be grand". Especially younger people. I've seen it with lots of my friends. Scary stuff.

But they, the vast majority of the time, will.
I'm not saying pills are no big deal - they're not for everyone and people have to be careful, but there is simply no benefit in misinformation.

batistuta9 · 17-05-2015 08:17PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I've never heard of pill testing booths. Are they set up and regulated under legislation in these countries?

in some countries they've people in the clubs with kits so you can test

in vancouver they've a drop in centre sort of thing for heroin users, little booths a seat, clean needles etc. & paramedics in case they OD.

a show on BBC3 there recently about ecstasy, the precursor for MDMA is extracted from some tree in south e. asia but it's getting harder to get it/easier to use alternatives that give MDMA like substances such as PMA/PMMA which are stronger & takes longer to kick in so that catches people out thinking they're taking shít pills

MaroonAndGreen · 17-05-2015 08:20PM

poeticmakaveli wrote:

Better to take none than gob 3 of them! Its a disgrace that a young man takes drugs but to see a young girl take drugs is disgraceful!

WTF? What difference does anyone's gender make?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2015 08:20PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Not a great comparison there, people who take drugs know the risks.

But so do people who get in cars

Anyways, people don't necessarily know the risks. People generally will not speak honestly to teenagers about drugs and say things like "If you're going to take pills, be careful. Look them up, start with half and don't drink".

vangoz · 17-05-2015 08:23PM

silverfeather wrote: »

Aren't all ecstasy and illegal pills dodgy in the end though really?

Poor girl I feel for her family.

Not really, there would be people dying every weekend if that was the case

Galwayguy35 · 17-05-2015 08:25PM

Treasure Most Gofer wrote: »

But so do people who get in cars

Anyways, people don't necessarily know the risks. People generally will not speak honestly to teenagers about drugs and say things like "If you're going to take pills, be careful. Look them up, start with half and don't drink".

People get in cars to get from A to B, I do every day and am aware that I could have an accident but I know the risk and drive carefully, I'm not preaching and know people who take drugs ofton don't see the danger but I don't agree with the comparison.

batistuta9 · 17-05-2015 08:25PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Drugs like morphine and cocaine are already legal for use in treatments by medical professionals and dentists. Another street drug is a horse tranquiliser, prescribed by veterenarians. They have no place as a form of mind altering recreation.

The only exception that I know of is marajuana which is currently not indicated for medical treatments. I would have nothing against it being legalised to treat certain conditions where apparently it can be efficacous.

people were using opiates & coca leaves for recreation long before they discovered their medicinal benefits where they not? why can't they be used for both?

do dentists use cocaine? you sure you don't mean novocaine, what some lads will use to cut coke with so as to give the effect of your mouth numbing :pac:

there's med. marajuana in loads of countries or do you mean here? i think it might be in a pill to help aide MS not 100% sure though

Whosthis · 17-05-2015 08:26PM

vangoz wrote: »

Not really, there would be people dying every weekend if that was the case

True. There's approximately 200 drug related deaths a year in Ireland and over 90% of them are attributed to opiates.

vangoz · 17-05-2015 08:28PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People get in cars to get from A to B, I do every day and am aware that I could have an accident but I know the risk and drive carefully, I'm not preaching and know people who take drugs ofton don't see the danger but I don't agree with the comparison.

People take take drugs to have a great time on a night out. Sure they don't have to and its possible to have a good time without them. But you don't have to drive a car to get from point A to B, walking, taking the train or bus are safer alternatives.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 17-05-2015 08:30PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People get in cars to get from A to B, I do every day and am aware that I could have an accident but I know the risk and drive carefully, I'm not preaching and know people who take drugs ofton don't see the danger but I don't agree with the comparison.

I think it's a good comparison in the context of a response to the delightful poster who said they had no sympathy for a dead teenager because she "knew the risks"

Galwayguy35 · 17-05-2015 08:32PM

vangoz wrote: »

People take take drugs to have a great time on a night out. Sure they don't have to and its possible to have a good time without them. But you don't have to drive a car to get from point A to B, walking, taking the train or bus are safer alternatives.

Well if you live where I do, then yeah people do have to drive.

There might be a good public transport system in the big smoke but it's not the same here, anyway that's a topic for another thread.

baldbear · 17-05-2015 08:33PM

RIP to that poor girl.

dxhound2005 · 17-05-2015 08:33PM

batistuta9 wrote: »

people were using opiates & coca leaves for recreation long before they discovered their medicinal benefits where they not? why can't they be used for both?

do dentists use cocaine? you sure you don't mean novocaine, what some lads will use to cut coke with so as to give the effect of your mouth numbing :pac:

there's med. marajuana in loads of countries or do you mean here? i think it might be in a pill to help aide MS not 100% sure though

And people do use them illegally, and apart from occasional tragedies like the current one, they do not impact that much on society. Law enforcement keeps them at an acceptable level, just as it does for after hours and underage drinking.

No amount of regulation will make them much safer than they are now, given their potency. Someone can just as easily be killed by an overdose of something prescribed as they can from drinking a bottle of whiskey. I don't see the need to set up a whole new bureaucracy. It would have to be in every town and village in the country.

vangoz · 17-05-2015 08:35PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well if you live where I do, then yeah people do have to drive.

There might be a good public transport system in the big smoke but it's not the same here, anyway that's a topic for another thread.

Yeah kinda getting away from the point - electro~bitch above basically summed up what I was trying to convey

Galwayguy35 · 17-05-2015 08:37PM

Treasure Most Gofer wrote: »

I think it's a good comparison in the context of a response to the delightful poster who said they had no sympathy for a dead teenager because she "knew the risks"

Agree there, it's harsh to say one has no sympathy when a young person dies.

porsche959 · 17-05-2015 08:39PM

The prohibitionists will be screeching, but actually it is an argument for legislation and regulation.

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