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  • #52
    keithclancy
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    Figerty wrote: »
    There is a huge multinational presence in the mid-west region; far greater than you give credit for. I can do a list for you if you want. draw a ring around Shannon airport and look at the list that is there. Draw a bigger ring around Limerick and do a count there...Then look at the medical device sector along the west coast and add that in.
    Shannon is massive when it comes to Tourism and Manufacturing. Nearly a million people visited the Cliff of Moher in 2013; almost 3 times that of Blarney. Bunratty has dropped out of the top ten.
    Cork is massive when it comes to pharma and manufacturing.
    The long runway in Shannon makes it critical for Ireland as a stand by runway. Turkish Airlines just made a major freight commitment to Shannon also to hub to the US.
    The most creative use of Shannon-Cork would be to land in either one, do the Wild Atlantic way from Galway to Cobh etc. Both should benefit.

    Please point out somewhere I can spend my last night visiting Ireland within 15 minutes of Shannon airport by Taxi to enjoy some activities that do not involve having a rental car to get to them.


  • #53
    highlydebased
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    keithclancy wrote: »
    Please point out somewhere I can spend my last night visiting Ireland within 15 minutes of Shannon airport by Taxi to enjoy some activities that do not involve having a rental car to get to them.

    Plenty of lovely pubs, restaurants and very decent hotels in Limerick to spend a night at. You'd be from the Strand hotel to SNN in about 20 min by taxi for example.


  • #54
    rob316
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    Its a joke of a situation, we are run by the DAA whose interest only serves the greater Dublin Area. Shannon broke off from the DAA and can now set its own prices which it now turns a profit.

    Cork Airport charge €17 per passenger to the airlines, in comparison Dublin charge a maximum of circa €10. Kerry and Shannon charge even less.

    It needs to break off from the DAA and become privatised.


  • #55
    denhaagenite
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    highlydebased wrote: »
    Plenty of lovely pubs, restaurants and very decent hotels in Limerick to spend a night at. You'd be from the Strand hotel to SNN in about 20 min by taxi for example.

    It's not as convenient as Cork though, nor are there more multinationals within spitting distance of the airport, nor as many holiday makers to entice and all the rest. Sure if this was the case then an actual city would be built in Shannon, or one made out of Ennis. What sane minded tourist would take a taxi at the cost of €20 - €30 when they could get a bus which would be a tenth of the price? Ditto for range of accommodation, dining, nightlife etc etc.

    However, the tourism point is not being disputed by me, or the fact that Shannon should still continue to service the international routes. They should share that load with Dublin, as Cork should share the load of the European routes. Shannon should not be undercutting Cork for the European routes though. And the question as to why Shannon should be separated from the DAA and have their debt wiped and Cork not should be answered immediately.

    The thing that Shannon airport supporters really have to remember is that it doesn't matter what the Cork airport supporters say, the routes that are being lost in Cork are being lost to Shannon and this is being done intentionally by the Shannon Airport Authority. They are complicit with the DAA in making Cork uncompetitive, and this is for the most part beyond Cork's control. The DAA control budgets for marketing, airport landing charges and talks with potential airlines. We can say whatever we like about Shannon but it will do nothing more than hurt Shannon's feelings. There is plenty of money to be made in Shannon by concentrating on international routes but it is blatantly taking advantage of Cork's situation.


  • #56
    Rhys Essien
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    In fairness,Shannon airport is not the problem,its the government who are the problem.Cork companies and workers pay billions in taxes to the national coffers annually yet the debt at Cork airport is ~€120m give or take.The government should be writing this debt off straight away if they were doing their job right.

    Also,if the sale of Aer Lingus goes ahead as expected,the government will recieve ~€400m.

    No excuses here,they are presently strangling the Cork economy,tourism,jobs etc.

    We need to be calling for independence no later than 12 months from now.


  • #57
    keithclancy
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    highlydebased wrote: »
    Plenty of lovely pubs, restaurants and very decent hotels in Limerick to spend a night at. You'd be from the Strand hotel to SNN in about 20 min by taxi for example.

    http://www.transportforireland.ie/taxi/taxi-fare-estimator/

    Shannon Airport to the Strand Hotel Limerick - 1 Passenger

    €31.40 to €41.60
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 23.8 km
    No traffic (26 min)
    Heavy traffic (47 min)

    4 passengers on the Night rate with a booked taxi:

    €44.20 to €55.60
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 23.8 km
    No traffic (26 min)
    Heavy traffic (47 min)

    Cork Airport to the River Lee Hotel Cork - 1 Passenger

    €11.60 to €18.00
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 8.1 km
    No traffic (15 min)
    Heavy traffic (28 min)

    4 Passengers on the Night rate with a booked taxi:
    €19.20 to €26.40
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 8.1 km
    No traffic (15 min)
    Heavy traffic (28 min)

    Cost for a taxi from Limerick Center to Shannon Airport by Taxi is too much and the time is too long.


  • #58
    highlydebased
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    It's not as convenient as Cork though, [...] What sane minded tourist would take a taxi at the cost of €20 - €30 when they could get a bus which would be a tenth of the price? Ditto for range of accommodation, dining, nightlife etc etc.

    Then they could get the bus right from the door of the Strand hotel (or the city) to the door of the airport for €7.50, 20-25 min spin and the first one is at 5am.

    Not a point worth debating really as if someone wanted to spend a night somewhere before flying out there are reasonable, affordable and close options for both Shannon and Cork that don't involve having to stay at the airport hotels


  • #59
    vkid
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    keithclancy wrote: »
    Please point out somewhere I can spend my last night visiting Ireland within 15 minutes of Shannon airport by Taxi to enjoy some activities that do not involve having a rental car to get to them.

    Bunratty is about the closest...Go to a banquet, check the folk park, go to Durty Nellys for some Trad. choice of bars and restaurants, shop in Meadows and Byrnes.. regular bus direct to/from the Airport and beyond using the private operators..even to Dublin. Taxi about 12-15 Eu tops..depending on who you use.
    Ennis by bus/taxi
    Limerick as already stated.


  • #60
    keithclancy
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    highlydebased wrote: »
    Then they could get the bus right from the door of the Strand hotel (or the city) to the door of the airport for €7.50, 20-25 min spin and the first one is at 5am.

    Not a point worth debating really as if someone wanted to spend a night somewhere before flying out there are reasonable, affordable and close options for both Shannon and Cork that don't involve having to stay at the airport hotels

    The 343 bus from there takes 45 minutes.

    That's too long also.


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  • #61
    keithclancy
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    vkid wrote: »
    Bunratty is about the closest...Go to a banquet, check the folk park, go to Durty Nellys for some Trad. choice of bars and restaurants, shop in Meadows and Byrnes.. regular bus direct to/from the Airport and beyond using the private operators..even to Dublin. Taxi about 12-15 Eu tops..depending on who you use.
    Ennis by bus/taxi
    Limerick as already stated.

    Meadows and Byrne .... That's just homeware no ?

    Walking distance in Bunratty there is not much to do other than pubs and the castle without a car:
    http://www.tripadvisor.ie/Attractions-g212526-Activities-Bunratty_County_Clare.html#MAPVIEW


  • #62
    vkid
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    keithclancy wrote: »
    Meadows and Byrne .... That's just homeware no ?

    Walking distance in Bunratty there is not much to do other than pubs and the castle without a car:
    http://www.tripadvisor.ie/Attractions-g212526-Activities-Bunratty_County_Clare.html#MAPVIEW

    No. Upstairs in one side of the building is homeware. Downstairs on that side is crystal, souvenirs, belleek pottery etc. On the other side, downstairs is Clothing (men and womens) and upstairs is a very nice cafe. It is a busy spot and a stop off point for a lot of coach tours. There is also a garden centre at the side. If you want something else to do, you can go to Bunratty Winery.

    You asked for something to do with 15 minutes by taxi. The bus is available, but you asked for a 15 minute taxi ride. I gave you one with lots to do. And if you've been to Bunratty, everything there is walking distance. Its a village.

    Bunratty is also a stop off point for a lot of tour operators, and a lot of US visitors and EU visitors start or end their Irish visit their or in the area when going through Shannon. If you have a car, there is a lot more to do within 15 minutes and within an hour or so you have the Burren, Loop head, Cliffs of Moher. You are pretty much bang smack on the Wild Atlantic Way. As close as any airport will get to an attraction.

    Shannon town itself is limited, but its an industrial town with a lot of multi nationals in the main Industrial Estate, Smithstown industrial Estate and more recently, but just as important the Westpark campus. Multinationals like Molex, Intel, Element Six, E.I, Genworth, Zimmer, Pepper Group, GE. Shannon Aerospace, Lufthansa, Eirtech etc etc. There is a lot of people employed in Shannon.

    The idea that there is nothing in the immediate Shannon area is utter nonsense.


  • #63
    kub
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    keithclancy wrote: »
    http://www.transportforireland.ie/taxi/taxi-fare-estimator/

    Shannon Airport to the Strand Hotel Limerick - 1 Passenger

    €31.40 to €41.60
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 23.8 km
    No traffic (26 min)
    Heavy traffic (47 min)

    4 passengers on the Night rate with a booked taxi:

    €44.20 to €55.60
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 23.8 km
    No traffic (26 min)
    Heavy traffic (47 min)

    Cork Airport to the River Lee Hotel Cork - 1 Passenger

    €11.60 to €18.00
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 8.1 km
    No traffic (15 min)
    Heavy traffic (28 min)

    4 Passengers on the Night rate with a booked taxi:
    €19.20 to €26.40
    Please note: the above fare is an indicative estimate only and should not be taken as a guaranteed fare.
    Distance 8.1 km
    No traffic (15 min)
    Heavy traffic (28 min)

    Cost for a taxi from Limerick Center to Shannon Airport by Taxi is too much and the time is too long.

    You never factored in the cost to walk from the 2 hotels at Cork Airport to the terminal building :D


  • #64
    keithclancy
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    vkid wrote: »
    No. Upstairs in one side of the building is homeware. Downstairs on that side is crystal, souvenirs, belleek pottery etc. On the other side, downstairs is Clothing (men and womens) and upstairs is a very nice cafe. It is a busy spot and a stop off point for a lot of coach tours. There is also a garden centre at the side. If you want something else to do, you can go to Bunratty Winery.

    It's not really a selection though, its bit on the expensive side, in the same realm as Blarney Woolen Mills.

    TK Maxx, Brown Thomas, Debenhams and a few independent stores would be better for some selection.
    You asked for something to do with 15 minutes by taxi. The bus is available, but you asked for a 15 minute taxi ride. I gave you one with lots to do. And if you've been to Bunratty, everything there is walking distance. Its a village.

    Bunratty is also a stop off point for a lot of tour operators, and a lot of US visitors and EU visitors start or end their Irish visit their or in the area when going through Shannon. If you have a car, there is a lot more to do within 15 minutes and within an hour or so you have the Burren, Loop head, Cliffs of Moher. You are pretty much bang smack on the Wild Atlantic Way. As close as any airport will get to an attraction.

    Shannon town itself is limited, but its an industrial town with a lot of multi nationals in the main Industrial Estate, Smithstown industrial Estate and more recently, but just as important the Westpark campus. Multinationals like Molex, Intel, Element Six, E.I, Genworth, Zimmer, Pepper Group, GE. Shannon Aerospace, Lufthansa, Eirtech etc etc. There is a lot of people employed in Shannon.

    The idea that there is nothing in the immediate Shannon area is utter nonsense.

    You missed my question, something interesting to do without a car on my last day/night in Ireland, Bunratty is a small village with a Castle, it doesn't have have many things to do over the course of a day.

    Why exactly do you bring up Business Traveler, It's already well known there are Industrial estates in remote areas all over Ireland.

    By the way, I am an EU Visitor.

    Point being there is no City near Shannon, there's a town near it that exists because of the Airport and a City kind of near it (Limerick) like Dusseldorf (Weeze), Brussels (Charleroi), Barcelona (Girona)

    Myself I would recommend a person to take a rental car from Dublin and do a one way rental to Cork with a flight back from there, then they can do the good amount of the Wild Atlantic Way (over west, then south and back over toward cork through Kerry), see all the sights you mentioned and have access to a wide variety of high street stores for shopping, The Opera House, the Everyman Theatre, Cork City Gaol, Finn Barres Cathedral at the end of their trip.

    They could even take in the Ring of Kerry, the Old head of Kinsale and stop off in the Pink Elephant along they way.

    I wouldn't tell them to drive all the way back up to Shannon to stay the night in Limerick or Bunratty, wouldn't make any sense.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, it's not really convenient unless your visiting that area of the country for some reason and even then, Ireland is so small in European Terms that a trip around the country is quite easy, just people prefer to spend a night in a larger City like Dublin or Cork on their last night.

    I wouldn't exactly pick Limerick as a tourist destination either being from Tipperary.


  • #65
    vkid
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    keithclancy wrote: »
    It's not really a selection though, its bit on the expensive side, in the same realm as Blarney Woolen Mills.

    TK Maxx, Brown Thomas, Debenhams and a few independent stores would be better for some selection.



    You missed my question, something interesting to do without a car on my last day/night in Ireland, Bunratty is a small village with a Castle, it doesn't have have many things to do over the course of a day.

    Why exactly do you bring up Business Traveler, It's already well known there are Industrial estates in remote areas all over Ireland.

    By the way, I am an EU Visitor.

    Point being there is no City near Shannon, there's a town near it that exists because of the Airport and a City kind of near it (Limerick) like Dusseldorf (Weeze), Brussels (Charleroi), Barcelona (Girona)

    Myself I would recommend a person to take a rental car from Dublin and do a one way rental to Cork with a flight back from there, then they can do the good amount of the Wild Atlantic Way (over west, then south and back over toward cork through Kerry), see all the sights you mentioned and have access to a wide variety of high street stores for shopping, The Opera House, the Everyman Theatre, Cork City Gaol, Finn Barres Cathedral at the end of their trip.

    They could even take in the Ring of Kerry, the Old head of Kinsale and stop off in the Pink Elephant along they way.

    I wouldn't tell them to drive all the way back up to Shannon to stay the night in Limerick or Bunratty, wouldn't make any sense.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, it's not really convenient unless your visiting that area of the country for some reason and even then, Ireland is so small in European Terms that a trip around the country is quite easy, just people prefer to spend a night in a larger City like Dublin or Cork on their last night.

    I wouldn't exactly pick Limerick as a tourist destination either being from Tipperary.

    You got your answer, and you are just being pathetically difficult now. Work away. I am not engaging in your nonsense any further.


  • #66
    Figerty
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    keithclancy wrote: »
    It's not really a selection though, its bit on the expensive side, in the same realm as Blarney Woolen Mills.

    TK Maxx, Brown Thomas, Debenhams and a few independent stores would be better for some selection.



    You missed my question, something interesting to do without a car on my last day/night in Ireland, Bunratty is a small village with a Castle, it doesn't have have many things to do over the course of a day.

    Why exactly do you bring up Business Traveler, It's already well known there are Industrial estates in remote areas all over Ireland.

    By the way, I am an EU Visitor.

    Point being there is no City near Shannon, there's a town near it that exists because of the Airport and a City kind of near it (Limerick) like Dusseldorf (Weeze), Brussels (Charleroi), Barcelona (Girona)

    Myself I would recommend a person to take a rental car from Dublin and do a one way rental to Cork with a flight back from there, then they can do the good amount of the Wild Atlantic Way (over west, then south and back over toward cork through Kerry), see all the sights you mentioned and have access to a wide variety of high street stores for shopping, The Opera House, the Everyman Theatre, Cork City Gaol, Finn Barres Cathedral at the end of their trip.

    They could even take in the Ring of Kerry, the Old head of Kinsale and stop off in the Pink Elephant along they way.

    I wouldn't tell them to drive all the way back up to Shannon to stay the night in Limerick or Bunratty, wouldn't make any sense.

    Sorry, but I have to disagree with you, it's not really convenient unless your visiting that area of the country for some reason and even then, Ireland is so small in European Terms that a trip around the country is quite easy, just people prefer to spend a night in a larger City like Dublin or Cork on their last night.

    I wouldn't exactly pick Limerick as a tourist destination either being from Tipperary.

    Sounds like you have never been in the Folk park. There is a full days worth of visiting there and the Banquet at night. It's not a 'small village' it's a major tourist destination.

    The reality of this forum is that Cork Airport is in trouble. Cork people won't like this, but Cork isn't that attractive as a tourist destination. The places you have listed as attractions aren't exactly in the same realm as Temple bar, Kilmanhim Jail or the Guinness store house.When the Queen came to Cork she bought fish...

    Neither is Limerick a tourist Mecca, but Corporate guests have plenty to choose from and Shannon Industrial Zone is massive in terms of employment and growing. These industrialists don't worry about taxi fares.


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  • #67
    keithclancy
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    Figerty wrote: »
    The reality of this forum is that Cork Airport is in trouble. Cork people won't like this, but Cork isn't that attractive as a tourist destination. The places you have listed as attractions aren't exactly in the same realm as Temple bar, Kilmanhim Jail or the Guinness store house.When the Queen came to Cork she bought fish...

    Wasn't it in the Lonely Planet top 10 ?
    Figerty wrote: »
    Neither is Limerick a tourist Mecca, but Corporate guests have plenty to choose from and Shannon Industrial Zone is massive in terms of employment and growing. These industrialists don't worry about taxi fares.

    Exactly, I agree with you it's not attractive for a tourist, I never mentioned anything about Corporate Guests.


  • #68
    denhaagenite
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    vkid wrote: »
    You got your answer, and you are just being pathetically difficult now. Work away. I am not engaging in your nonsense any further.

    It's no more ridiculous than suggesting that Bunratty and Cork offer the same amount of entertainment, or that there are as many multinationals in Shannon as Cork.


  • #69
    pwurple
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    What's with the bickering between Cork and Shannon. They're all viable airports. Shannon serves West, Cork serves South. Dublin serves East, Belfast North.

    There's population, employers and tourism in ALL areas which should be plenty to support a decent airport in each.


    I don't know enough about how flights are organised to comment on if someone is doing something wrong. Dose the airport sit passively and wait for airlines to approach it with flights? Or is there a marketing manager at the airport who approaches airlines and asks for the service?


  • #70
    beer enigma
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    vkid wrote: »
    You got your answer, and you are just being pathetically difficult now. Work away. I am not engaging in your nonsense any further.


    Here we go again ....previous thread was closed because it had started going off topic and become a bickering session with people spending more time reporting each other than posting on the thread.

    This is not a Meadows & Byrnes v Blarney wooden mills thread, whilst I see the relevance of local retail/ attractions, I think that's been exhausted so back to the main topic please.

    I'll leave the thread open or God help I'll be accused of conspiracy, political agenda etc ( just for interest, I actually work at Cork Airport so it's massively in my interest to improve traffic through it & also a reason I'm not posting much as I'm biased). BUT we have agreed that rather than close we will issue bans for those causing arguments for the sake of it. Just remember boards rules, don't take the thread off topic & you can comment on another post, but cannot make a comment about the person posting it.

    If anyone isn't clear, PM me

    Thanks


  • #71
    vkid
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    It's no more ridiculous than suggesting that Bunratty and Cork offer the same amount of entertainment, or that there are as many multinationals in Shannon as Cork.

    No-one suggested that at all. The poster asked for something to do to spend their last day/night in Ireland within 15 minutes of Shannon by taxi. They were given an option which many tourists use as their start /end point in Ireland and didnt seem to like the answer...


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  • #72
    9726_9726
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    Long time lurker, blah blah, etc.

    It would be nice to have a discussion about Cork Airport without the usual tiresome business of Cork v. Shannon catchment area, greater metropolitan population, industry, tourism turning into the usual boring over and back slagging match.

    I think there is a key issue with unequal treatment by the state of each airport. An inequity of policy which should not be the case. Both airports have population, industry, tourism etc. to support them and should on that basis, be able to compete on an equal footing. So let's get the equal footing sorted and have at it!


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    draiochtanois
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  • #74
    imurdaddy
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    ORK experienced a false growth when SNN was under DAA controlled decline, Cork picked up the mid west pax who had no choice of routes ex Shannon and now are flying SNN, honestly anyone who thinks a person in south Galway Clare Limericks & nort Tipp would chose to go to DUB or ORK is crazy, if your local airport offers the destination your after thats where you'll fly from. SNN is reclaiming local pax that had used ORK previously and as long as it offers the destinations it wont change,

    I use ORK as much as SNN, and, let me tell you ORK needs to worry about the DAA not an airport serving a different area, be it Shannon Dublin or Knock.


  • #75
    Figerty
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    pwurple wrote: »
    What's with the bickering between Cork and Shannon. They're all viable airports. Shannon serves West, Cork serves South. Dublin serves East, Belfast North.

    There's population, employers and tourism in ALL areas which should be plenty to support a decent airport in each.


    I don't know enough about how flights are organised to comment on if someone is doing something wrong. Dose the airport sit passively and wait for airlines to approach it with flights? Or is there a marketing manager at the airport who approaches airlines and asks for the service?

    The Mayo lads are going going to be upset now!


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    draiochtanois
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  • #77
    Figerty
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    draiochtanois wrote: »
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    Or have the rental companies not apply a non return charge for picking up in one airport and returning in another. Wild Atlantic Way deal.


  • #78
    Balmed Out
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    Figerty wrote: »
    Or have the rental companies not apply a non return charge for picking up in one airport and returning in another. Wild Atlantic Way deal.

    Do they charge one?


  • #79
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    Balmed Out wrote: »
    Do they charge one?

    Depends on your rental company. Moot point anyway, nobody is going to fly to Ireland to travel the Wild Atlantic way and only do a quarter of it. They are more likely to start in Cork and finish in Belfast. If they just wanted to visit munster only then flying into Cork and out of Shannon or Kerry would work, but they're probably too close to each other for that to matter.

    Mod: You were already told not to post in this thread again. Do it again and you're banned.


  • #80
    keithclancy
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Depends on your rental company. Mute point anyway, nobody is going to fly to Ireland to travel the Wild Atlantic way and only do a quarter of it. They are more likely to start in Cork and finish in Belfast. If they just wanted to visit munster only then flying into Cork and out of Shannon would work, but there probably too close for that to matter.

    No there's no one way fee, I often fly to Dublin, pick up there and drop off in Cork and fly from there.

    With Belfast you have to pay a cross border fee which is pretty expensive.
    Wild Atlantic way is a gimmick anyway, people were already doing it, just now there's a bunch of brown signs with a jagged blue line on it.

    Most people I know start in Dublin and Finish in Cork or the other way around as they want to see the Capital at some point.

    Dropping off in Cork is nice though, only a 50 meter walk to the terminal, rather than that rental depot where you have to get a bus back to the Airport in Dublin.


  • #81
    Figerty
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Depends on your rental company. Mute point anyway, nobody is going to fly to Ireland to travel the Wild Atlantic way and only do a quarter of it. They are more likely to start in Cork and finish in Belfast. If they just wanted to visit munster only then flying into Cork and out of Shannon or Kerry would work, but they're probably too close to each other for that to matter.

    Mods if you can make that image smaller please do.


    I have relations that do it every year. Fly into Cork, and onward up the west coast, sometimes back to Shannon, sometimes onto Knock.

    So... it aint a moot point. I have done something similar in the Us. Fly into LA, fly out of San Fran after driving the Pacific Coast Highway. Ireland's coast line is as impressive.. and the water is a lot warmer.

    The whole point of the Atlantic way is to give a planned route to tourist. They pick up the trail where appropriate and do which ever bit they want. The broader Idea is to facilitate this by making flights, car hire etc. joined up thinking where the 3 day stopover or 5 -10 stopover etc. has purpose and ease.


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  • #82
    .red.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭.red.


    The prague route has now been cancelled for the first 5 weeks it was meant to operate. I think its coming now when the ibiza route starts up.


  • #83
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Was the Prague route not meant to start yesterday/today? I thought the first week was still going ahead?

    Mod: you were told once not to post in this thread, you ignored it and were banned from the forum for a week and now the week has passed and what is the first thing you do - you post here again. I'm passing this onto someone else cos I'm just not dealing with you anymore.

    I'm also closing this thread cos it's not serving any purpose anymore.


  • #84
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    So it looks like the government are going to get €350m from the sale of Aer Lingus,and I have'nt heard one Cork politician say yet that Cork Airport needs to be made independent and the debt wiped on the spot,when the sale goes through.

    What are they at???:confused:


  • #85
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    I heard Ciaran Lynch (lab) state that the money will be ringfenced and go into a transport fund which can be used to help Cork Airport as well as the other airports. And I was thinking of voting for him in the next election.:mad:


  • #86
    Pitcairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Pitcairn


    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    So it looks like the government are going to get €350m from the sale of Aer Lingus,and I have'nt heard one Cork politician say yet that Cork Airport needs to be made independent and the debt wiped on the spot,when the sale goes through.

    What are they at???:confused:


    Coveney has said the money can't be spent on wiping off the debt.

    http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/aer-lingus-cork-on-high/


  • #87
    Rhys Essien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Rhys Essien


    Pitcairn wrote: »
    Coveney has said the money can't be spent on wiping off the debt.

    http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/aer-lingus-cork-on-high/

    EU rules mean they cant write off/partly write off the debt??.

    What the hell?.:confused:

    I thought the EU was all for competition.An airport being controlled by its competitor.What a laughing stock.:mad:


  • #88
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Oh dear, have politicians crystal balls or something? The days of political appointees to the board of Aer Lingus are long gone, now that EI is been sold off there is only 1 thing that will keep or improve their routes and that is demand. As in business levels and basic economics not bloody politicians.


  • #89
    Dannyboy83
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    There was an article in the indo recently "Growing gridlock in Dublin 'a threat to economic recovery"

    Based on the figures we've seen in this thread and the last, the government could get something like a quarter of a million cars from South Munster alone off Dublin roads, just by tackling the Cork Airport issue, and that's a fairly conservative estimate.
    The response no doubt, will be to increase infrastructural and transport funding for Dublin rather than a Cork Airport resolution or Motorway to Limerick.

    Still no sign of the National Planning Framework; Irish governments continue to push the regions/hubs down the priority list over and over, thereby perpetuating the problem.

    It's now in Dublin's interest for Cork to push hard for stronger local government once the council issue is resolved, because the imbalance is now becoming mutually damaging.


  • #90
    draiochtanois
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  • #91
    corkonion
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    As a Corkman I would love to see more destinations and choices available from Cork. However some of the points on this thread seem irrational, We have already established from official sources that Airport charges in Cork are extremely competitive and lower than similar airports across europe. If Cork was seen as an economically attractive destination to Airlines then they would be queuing up to land here.... but they are not.
    At the moment Cork is just emerging from a horrendous economic beating and is starting to rebuild itself. With the city center revamp including the old Capitol cinema revamp, the brewery quarter event center and desirable city center business space under construction, I think that Cork will have a lot more to offer as a destination. When the port of Cork move the bulk of their operations to Ringaskiddy and the docklands become attractive it will be unrecognisable and then the Airport will right itself.
    A decade or two ago Newcastle was an industrial city without any quantifiable tourist potential.. it has transformed itself and has numerous new full hotels week in and week out.. Hopefully Cork is going the same direction.


  • #92
    Dannyboy83
    Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Dannyboy83


    draiochtanois wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I think this requires a media campaign rather than a political one.

    The current narrative in the national media is that Cork Airport is merely suffering the effects of the end of the Celtic Tiger and lack of demand.
    (we already established this was a fallacy in the previous thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95017871&postcount=912)

    The media decouple various symptoms into separate stories,
    i) dire state of regional roads
    ii) lack of capital spending in the regions
    ii) Cork Airport strangulation by the DAA

    Yet they're all just sub-issues of the 1 overarching issue;
    i.e. the lack of local government powers under an archaic model inherited from the British and lack of a National Planning Framework to deal with that model's shortcomings

    It's like a doctor diagnosing a patient having chronic fatigue, then chronic diarrhoea, then pneumonia, without ever understanding they stem from the fact that the patient has AIDs.


  • #93
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    Talks of getting a Cork Dusseldorf services under the IAG agreement..would be welcome from a business side anyways.


  • #94
    roundymac
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    Rumour doing the rounds that Prague and Ibeza have been cancelled.


  • #95
    Cosmo Kramer
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    Did either route actually get off the ground before being cancelled?


  • #96
    roundymac
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    Not that I'm aware of.


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  • #97
    corkonion
    Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭corkonion


    From today's examiner...
    New Cork Airport routes in doubt before first flights take off
    Monday, June 01, 2015
    By Eoin English
    Irish Examiner Reporter

    There are fears for the future of two key summer routes at Cork Airport which are facing the axe even before the first flights take off.
    CSA Czech Airlines last night blamed poor advance bookings for its decision to review the planned launches within weeks of its Cork to Prague and Cork to Ibiza routes.
    The airline said that it will announce within days whether it plans to proceed with the routes or not.
    The Cork to Prague route, which was announced last November, was due to operate twice weekly on Friday and Mondays from Cork and Thursdays and Sundays from Prague.
    It would have added 13,000 seats available to and from Cork Airport over the summer.
    CZA then announced plans in March to launch a twice weekly Cork to Ibiza service, operating from June 11 to late September. It would have added 8,000 seats to the airport’s schedule.
    Both route announcements were hailed as positive developments for the airport, which has seen passenger numbers plummet in recent years.
    However, concerns about the future of the Prague service emerged last month when its mid-May launch date was pushed back.
    Concerns about the Ibiza route emerged over the weekend.
    Despite confusion of social media over the weekend, the Irish Examiner has confirmed that the planned launches of both routes are “under review”.
    In a statement last night, CSA said: “The advanced bookings for both routes in Ireland and the Czech Republic has not yet matched our expectations for the new services.
    “Czech Airlines’ management is currently analysing the situation and will make a decision about the Cork-Prague and Cork-Ibiza services during the first half of next week.”
    Cork Airport said that it was disappointed at the decision.
    “Both services are eligible for Cork Airport’s new route incentive scheme, meaning Czech Airlines pays no passenger charges at Cork during the first year of the new route,” a spokesman said.
    “A marketing support fund was also made available by Cork Airport to Czech Airlines to advertise and promote the new services.”
    Fianna Fáil councillor Tom O’Driscoll said the review decision was disappointing but not surprising.


  • #98
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    roundymac wrote: »
    Rumour doing the rounds that Prague and Ibeza have been cancelled.

    I had a look into the Prague one and thought the prices were quite dear tbh. I also think people down here are just conditioned to check out flights from Dublin first and just don't even consider what's available in Cork.


  • #99
    Pitcairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Pitcairn


    Also from today's Examiner.
    An opinion piece by the DAA's chief executive Kevin Toland.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/its-time-to-get-cork-airport-flying-again-333857.html

    Here he has a cut at Shannon.
    Short-term tactics by one airport operator are clearly distorting the market at present.
    I know from my days in the dairy industry that operators with ageing facilities will often discount heavily and use alternative income streams to support a business. But, ultimately, quality and a better business always wins out.

    Also makes a good point about lack of co-ordinated tourism efforts.
    There is no doubt that we need more targeted and better promotion of Cork and the south of Ireland region overseas. Google ‘Cork tourism’, for example, and you’ll get competing websites from Cork City Council, Cork County Council, a West Cork tourism site, and a link to Fáilte Ireland’s local information office in Cork city. Search for ‘visit Ireland south’ and it’s no better.


  • #100
    Cosmo Kramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I had a look into the Prague one and thought the prices were quite dear tbh. I also think people down here are just conditioned to check out flights from Dublin first and just don't even consider what's available in Cork.

    I'd say they're also conditioned to just look at what Aer Lingus and Ryanair offer from Cork rather than any other operator. Apart from long haul and package holidays, most Irish people forget that other options might be available, especially as there are so few alternatives to the big two outside of Dublin - I can only think of flybe at Knock (and Cork if it gets going) and VLM at Waterford.


  • #101
    lisasimpson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    bang on there cosmo Yes a lot of people I know only ever check those two websites for flights.

    Also to the airport marketing team need to do more there is a social media presence for both the airport and a fly cork facebook/twitter account.....these don't be used much to make people away of flights esp those operated by other carriers


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