[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

T-K-O · 05-05-2015 10:05PM

efb wrote: »

You Said 3 Jabs to Manny's 2... Clearly that's not correct

Yup about a third more

Frank Bullitt · 05-05-2015 10:21PM

For the love of christ, no rematch.

Henno30 · 05-05-2015 10:22PM

Kev M wrote: »

I've watched it again too, and for all the criticism it wasn't even a bad fight. The problem is the fight was 'bigger than boxing', with flomos and pactards battling delusions of right and wrong, good and evil. The fight was never going to live up to the hype - you can count the amount of times floyd's been hurt in his career on one hand... you think he'll suddenly throw out the playbook with a puncher like Pac? His mentality is to 'shut guys out'. and that's what was always going to happen.

I didn't think it was a bad fight either. It was alright, although I can understand why it was a nightmare for people who'd never seen Floyd.

I really didn't Floyd did anything too special though. What he did in terms of nullifying Manny's offence we've seen before. The difference was JMM didn't have Floyd's reach, or jab.

Dr. Bre · 05-05-2015 10:38PM

gwan the rematch

Talib Fiasco · 05-05-2015 10:52PM

Wouldn't be priceless if the rematch ended in Manny KOing Floyd in the KO of the decade. Cannot see a rematch happening tbh. I think Manny will have retired by then too.I think he'll fight Crawford next and call it quits no matter the result.

Henno30 · 05-05-2015 10:59PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Wouldn't be priceless if the rematch ended in Manny KOing Floyd in the KO of the decade. Cannot see a rematch happening tbh. I think Manny will have retired by then too.I think he'll fight Crawford next and call it quits no matter the result.

Don't see it happening either but stranger things have happened.

I think Crawford will fight Matthysse and the winner (which would be Crawford I think) will fight Manny. Crawford is well capable of beating Manny too.

Kev M · 05-05-2015 11:02PM

With Floyd relinquishing his belts I assumed he'd just have a handy retirement fight in September - somebody with a name but who he can look good against. Maybe Danny Garcia?

Henno30 · 05-05-2015 11:12PM

Kev M wrote: »

With Floyd relinquishing his belts I assumed he'd just have a handy retirement fight in September - somebody with a name but who he can look good against. Maybe Danny Garcia?

Danny Garcia's name is in the gutter at the moment. His record since the Matthysse fight is truly pathetic. He's arguably lost twice, and the Salka fight was one of the most disgraceful match-ups the sport has seen in some time.

It would be a very tough sell. Garcia wouldn't be remotely competitive. He'd make Guerrero's performance look alright.

Frank Bullitt · 05-05-2015 11:24PM

Henno30 wrote: »

Danny Garcia's name is in the gutter at the moment. His record since the Matthysse fight is truly pathetic. He's arguably lost twice, and the Salka fight was one of the most disgraceful match-ups the sport has seen in some time.

It would be a very tough sell. Garcia wouldn't be remotely competitive. He'd make Guerrero's performance look alright.

Pretty good reasons for Mayweather to fight him so.

Henno30 · 05-05-2015 11:46PM

Some difference in the performance of the two showcased fighters on Saturday night. I don't know where the hell LSC's career is going but I've no interest in following it. Loma on the other hand looked great. Loma v Walters is one of the best fights that can be made in the entire sport.

Panic E · 05-05-2015 11:59PM

Cali_girl wrote: »

Mayweather Pacquiao II

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/floyd-mayweather-will-fight-manny-pacquiao-again-in-a-year-1.2201009

Probably deserves a new thread, but... They're going again??? Seriously???

Guess the lure of another $100 mil too much to say no to, but give it a week at least boys.

Will never happen imo. Hopefully to does though, maybe Floyd is more confident now.

Stinicker · 06-05-2015 12:41AM

I hope their is a rematch, but this time it should be held in the Philippines on Mannys home turf, ideally in the Philippine Arena or in the smaller Arneta Coliseum home of the famous "thrilla in manilla" back in the Day. Put together a big enough fight fund and Money and PacMan can rehash it all over again. The three judges should be Filipino also just like the three Americans were the Judges on Saturday night. If it happens and Manny's arm is ok then Manny will destroy Mayweather.

efb · 06-05-2015 12:43AM

T-K-O wrote: »

Yup about a third more

Not 3 for every 2 he said 3 to 2

Panic E · 06-05-2015 02:19AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Think I'm missing the "dirty tricks" part of this video.

A couple of holds, one low blow, and a few other clips that I am not sure what I am meant to be looking at.

Are you serious. When is a low blow not a dirty move? What you are meant to be looking at in order; with the corresponding rule/s of fouls

* Elbow & forearm, headlock (attempted)

(2. Use of elbows, shoulders or forearms | 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches.)

* Crouching below the belt, holding, headbutt (attempted)

(20. Crouching the body below the opponent’s belt defensively or to strike | 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 3. Butting with the head)

* Groin attack.

(1. Low blows)

* Pulling Pacquiao's (injured) arm.

(28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches | 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch)

* Elbow, forearm.

(2. Use of elbows, shoulders or forearms)

* Headlock, guillotine choke!

(13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches)

* Pushing and holding (back of the head) while punching

(6. Holding the opponent’s head or body with one hand while hitting with the other | 4. Hitting in the back of the head)

* Headlock, guillotine choke

(13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches)

* Pushing

(17. Using the open hand to position or rub the glove on the opponent’s face)

http://wbcboxing.com/downloads/RULES_FOR_CHAMPIONSHIP_FIGHTS_-_SYNTHESIZED_09.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0pQ8bzyTg

And last but not least- running in the opposite direction of your opponent from one side of the ring to the other!

Technically it's not illegal once your back isn't turned. But that is something that Floyd has become a master at.

It's not engaging your opponent though, and should be scored as such. I posted a video earlier focusing on that.

5T3PH3N · 06-05-2015 02:45AM

http://m.imgur.com/zqKABPj

efb · 06-05-2015 02:54AM

Photoshop

Panic E · 06-05-2015 03:24AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I hope their is a rematch, but this time it should be held in the Philippines on Mannys home turf, ideally in the Philippine Arena or in the smaller Arneta Coliseum home of the famous "thrilla in manilla" back in the Day. Put together a big enough fight fund and Money and PacMan can rehash it all over again. The three judges should be Filipino also just like the three Americans were the Judges on Saturday night. If it happens and Manny's arm is ok then Manny will destroy Mayweather.

Sounds only fair. And, I agree.

T-K-O · 06-05-2015 07:50AM

efb wrote: »

Not 3 for every 2 he said 3 to 2

So you want exact stats when discussing the bout :rolleyes: by the way, keep up. I said 3-2 and that is correct.

HigginsJ · 06-05-2015 08:28AM

Panic E wrote: »

Are you serious. When is a low blow not a dirty move? What you are meant to be looking at in order; with the corresponding rule/s of fouls

* Elbow & forearm, headlock (attempted)

(2. Use of elbows, shoulders or forearms | 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches.)

* Crouching below the belt, holding, headbutt (attempted)

(20. Crouching the body below the opponent’s belt defensively or to strike | 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 3. Butting with the head)

* Groin attack.

(1. Low blows)

* Pulling Pacquiao's (injured) arm.

(28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches | 13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch)

* Elbow, forearm.

(2. Use of elbows, shoulders or forearms)

* Headlock, guillotine choke!

(13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches)

* Pushing and holding (back of the head) while punching

(6. Holding the opponent’s head or body with one hand while hitting with the other | 4. Hitting in the back of the head)

* Headlock, guillotine choke

(13. Excessive holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch | 28. Any rough tactics other than clean punches)

* Pushing

(17. Using the open hand to position or rub the glove on the opponent’s face)

http://wbcboxing.com/downloads/RULES_FOR_CHAMPIONSHIP_FIGHTS_-_SYNTHESIZED_09.pdf

And last but not least- running in the opposite direction of your opponent from one side of the ring to the other!

Technically it's not illegal once your back isn't turned. But that is something that Floyd has become a master at.

It's not engaging your opponent though, and should be scored as such. I posted a video earlier focusing on that.

So basically a few things that happen in fights every week but because Mayweather did these things it is dirty tricks.

There was one low blow, which Pacquiao didn't really react to. There wasn't much to the holding or pushing.

How was Floyd to know that Pacquiao's arm was injured when he declared himself fully fit on Friday? I really fail to see the attempted headbutt btw.

I won't bother addressing the "technically not illegal" running.

I'm not a fan of either of these guys but picking one off instances & slowing them down to try and make them look worse than they are comes across as petty.

T-K-O · 06-05-2015 08:38AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

So basically a few things that happen in fights every week but because Mayweather did these things it is dirty tricks.

There was one low blow, which Pacquiao didn't really react to. There wasn't much to the holding or pushing.

How was Floyd to know that Pacquiao's arm was injured when he declared himself fully fit on Friday? I really fail to see the attempted headbutt btw.

I won't bother addressing the "technically not illegal" running.

I'm not a fan of either of these guys but picking one off instances & slowing them down to try and make them look worse than they are comes across as petty.

Not entirely true, guys like Khan get absolutely slatted for holding and pot shotting but when the best of all time does it, it's a masterclass. The media and floyds attitude is just a little too much to stomach.

HigginsJ · 06-05-2015 08:45AM

T-K-O wrote: »

Not entirely true, guys like Khan get absolutely slatted for holding and pot shotting but when the best of all time does it, it's a masterclass. The media and floyds attitude is just a little too much to stomach.

The whole thing is wearisome at this point. My point is just that the video shows nothing really bad that you won't see in a lot of fights.

Panic E · 06-05-2015 08:56AM

So you are defending that catalogue of fouls above? According to Manny, he felt Floyd knew he was injured.

The holding has already been addressed, also the running. Has anyone watched the fight back in slo-mo???

T-K-O · 06-05-2015 08:56AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

The whole thing is wearisome at this point. My point is just that the video shows nothing really bad that you won't see in a lot of fights.

Agreed, my point is, it's bad depending on who is holding and who is watching.

If it's good enough for PBF it's good enough for Khan

HigginsJ · 06-05-2015 09:02AM

T-K-O wrote: »

Agreed, my point is, it's bad depending on who is holding and who is watching.

If it's good enough for PBF it's good enough for Khan

That's fair enough

HigginsJ · 06-05-2015 09:06AM

Panic E wrote: »

So you are defending that catalogue of fouls above? According to Manny, he felt Floyd knew he was injured.

The 'running' has already been addressed pretty much. As for not much to the holding, well there is this;

Slickly edited I will say, just seen it now. It counts 18 hold's, I'd imagine it was more. One a minute basically.

It also alludes to a conspiracy with the judging cards, I dunno. Has anyone watched the fight back slo-mo yet?

I'm not defending them, it's just they happen in fights every week & barely get a mention. 18 holds would be one every 2 minutes, or out another way, 3 every 2 rounds, which is hardly excessive I'd imagine.

Why would anyone be that bothered to watch the whole thing back in slo-mo? It's a bit tin-foil hat behaviour for my liking.

Henno30 · 06-05-2015 09:13AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

I'm not defending them, it's just they happen in fights every week & barely get a mention. 18 holds would be one every 2 minutes, or out another way, 3 every 2 rounds, which is hardly excessive I'd imagine.

It is if the opponent only gets him on the ropes once every two minutes.

I say that as a general point rather than a comment about Floyd and Manny.

Panic E · 06-05-2015 09:22AM

My point is (now) Floyd is a dirty fighter and tactician, no sportsmanship whatsoever and he gets lauded for it

He had a hundred different advantages going into the fight and still utilized nearly every foul in the book to 'win'

It wasn't a convincing win either, which is why he was boo'd out of the place and everywhere else (including here)

HigginsJ wrote: »

Why would anyone be that bothered to watch the whole thing back in slo-mo?

To score the fight for yourself? To see how many punches were landed? How many were blocked? How many were missed?

How many were grazing shots etc, etc. Thats what fans do, it's not a new thing. I don't think people are looking for aliens.

Yeah but all that stuff is fouls. Points are supposed to be deducted for them, I don't see why you are trying to minimize that.

walshb · 06-05-2015 09:33AM

Panic E wrote: »

To score the fight for yourself? To see how many punches were landed? How many were blocked? How many were missed?

How many were grazing shots etc, etc. Thats what fans do, it's not a new thing. I don't think people are looking for aliens.

Yeah but all that stuff is fouls. Points are supposed to be deducted for them, I don't see why you are trying to minimize that.

This is what I want to know. People here seem so clear that all these shots were effective landed shots from Floyd. I saw very little. The compu box numbers are extremely misleading. Neither man landed consistently or effectively through the whole fight yet people are so clear that Floyd easily won? Well, Holyfield isn't. I am not, and some here are not. Sky TV spent more time praising Floyd's evasiveness than his offense, and when he did attack and throw they didn't care too much how effective it was. He was cheered.

I am not anti Floyd here. I am anti bias and anti OTT favoring one man and awarding one man OTT credit for insignificant happenings. I'll award them both the same credit for their not getting hit. Nobody else is. I will award them both the same credit for the amount of shots thrown, which is very close.

Now, the final issue is landed and effective shots. According to compu box landed shot, which for all we know could have been the same idiots like Watt and Rawling and Froch, Floyd put on a landslide win. The viewing I had live on the night did not at all reflect this.

HigginsJ · 06-05-2015 09:37AM

Panic E wrote: »

It wasn't a convincing win either, which is why he was boo'd out of the place and everywhere else (including here)

Yeah but all that stuff is fouls. Points are supposed to be deducted for them, I don't see why you are trying to minimize that.

I would say he was boo'd because he is not a nice person & he didn't deliver a stand toe-to-toe fight that casual fans wanted.

You would get points deduction for persistent fouling, like I say there was nothing excessive that doesn't happen every week. Guys don't get points deducted for a few holds or pushing & one (unremarkable) low blow will not get a points deduction.

Trying to punish Floyd differently from every other fighter as people don't like him or his style is bit annoying.

T-K-O · 06-05-2015 09:59AM

HigginsJ wrote: »

I would say he was boo'd because he is not a nice person & he didn't deliver a stand toe-to-toe fight that casual fans wanted.

You would get points deduction for persistent fouling, like I say there was nothing excessive that doesn't happen every week. Guys don't get points deducted for a few holds or pushing & one (unremarkable) low blow will not get a points deduction.

Trying to punish Floyd differently from every other fighter as people don't like him or his style is bit annoying.

well now, Some guys do. Holding does get punished. Again I will use Khan as an example, it cost him vs Peterson.
Hatton v Floyd, the ref takes a point in the 9th, Hatton comes out like a lunatic and gets KO'ed in the 10th

Wlad was excommunicated from the states because of those very same 'skills'

Floyd deserves the criticism IMO - Take nothing away from his obvious talent but he doesn't get a pass on the spoiling tactics.

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