[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman **NO STREAMING REQUESTS**

Halloween Jack

walshb wrote: »

I don't expect him to stand there and get hit, but at the same time he is not getting credit for fleeing and avoiding fighting. On a pure case of being elusive and hard to hit, yes, credit, but not credit in the sense that I am happy or in awe, or the clip showing him as more deserving of credit than the aggressor.

In fairness though despite the 'running' throughout the fight he managed to throw and land more punches than the aggressor.

walshb

Levra wrote: »

Failing to land a punch should not be rewarded either.

Who said it should? But if one man is trying nothing apart from disengaging and surviving and the other is letting his hands go and trying to hit then one man deserves scores and credit, and it's not the runner. In that clip shots did land.

walshb

Halloween Jack wrote: »

In fairness though despite the 'running' throughout the fight he managed to throw and land more punches than the aggressor.

Based on compu box? That can be challenged and refuted. I'll just as easily score all those hip and arm connections that Manny landed. I am sure compu box scored many shots from Floyd that didn't connect clean or to areas of the body that one would consider scoring zones.

Halloween Jack

Panic E wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFkDdgKJVw

That's 69 seconds of my life I ain't getting back...

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Who said it should? But if one man is trying nothing apart from disengaging and surviving and the other is letting his hands go and trying to hit then one man deserves scores and credit, and it's not the runner. In that clip shots did land.

Bren that is the point, Floyd threw more than Manny in the fight
Manny didn't try to win, he just done the bare minimum, Floyd was chalking up the rds, may not have excited you but it's just a fact, As i said already
If Manny tried to win it probably would have been a good fight, and Manny probably would have been ko'd

Halloween Jack

walshb wrote: »

Based on compu box? That can be challenged and refuted. I'll just as easily score all those hip and arm connections that Manny landed. I am sure compu box scored many shots from Floyd that didn't connect clean or to areas of the body that one would consider scoring zones.

Based on what I saw I felt floyd landed more and better shots. I'm sure some will disagree, that's how we get contentious decisions.

walshb

RoryMac wrote: »

If the injury was that bad he shouldn't have fought, simple as that.

The injury may have worsened through the fight. May have bee passed fit to fight but that doesn't mean an old or recent injury cannot come back to haunt you.

efb

Panic E wrote: »

I'm just curious as to which out of those 2 categories this stuff falls under?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOlGOGWJA4

Avoiding being hit- clinching it was only a minute in the whole fight

efb

walshb wrote: »

Based on compu box? That can be challenged and refuted. I'll just as easily score all those hip and arm connections that Manny landed. I am sure compu box scored many shots from Floyd that didn't connect clean or to areas of the body that one would consider scoring zones.

If you want to score not scoring shots you will always get the score different

TheNap

Its funny .

Why is all the talk about Mayweather.

Why isn't all the talk about the shocking performance Manny gave us.

It really was terrible.

He offered nothing but glimpses in round 4 and 6. People can say what they want about Floyd, but when Manny did get close ( which he did throughout the fight ) he was afraid to let his hands go . He knew he would / assumed he would be countered.

He spent the whole fight worrying about Floyds counters that he gave away round after round.

Can you really blame Floyd ?? Biggest fight of his career and he knows he doesnt have to break sweat and doesnt have to take a real punch in 12 rounds ( bar the 4th )


Why risk being KO'd when you are going to cruise to a win .

Near the end of the fight it was so one sided it was embarassing. Manny had given up and Floyd was doing as he pleased. Thank god for him boxing is no longer 15 rounds.


I put the blame of this being a terrible fight on Manny and Freddie Roach.

Panic E

Panic E wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFkDdgKJVw

Halloween Jack wrote: »

That's 69 seconds of my life I ain't getting back...

What about the previous 5 years of listening to crap about this fight?!


That may well be just some ape with a speech impediment in his bedroom…

…Yet you will struggle to find a more accurate and concise prediction elsewhere!

Panic E

RoryMac wrote: »

If the injury was that bad he shouldn't have fought, simple as that.

I think they agreed to fight based on the medical treatment they were taking, which was then denied on fight night.

cowzerp

The whole hugging thing is funny, for a floyd fight the hugging was actually to a minimum
He didn't even back up to much, Manny just done nothing nada zilch

RoryMac

walshb wrote: »

The injury may have worsened through the fight. May have bee passed fit to fight but that doesn't mean an old or recent injury cannot come back to haunt you.

True but but you weight up the risks and if you step into the ring you take your chances, no point bringing it up as an excuse after

Panic E wrote: »

I think they agreed to fight based on the medical treatment they were taking, which was denied on fight night.

Where are you getting that information from?

Emmo-m-

It takes two to tango as they say.

Some people have short memories , maidana 1 , he forced Floyd to fight rough and dirty , closed the ring off and backed Floyd up to the ropes and forced him to fight and he damn sure gave him a better fight than Manny. Not enough credit was given to Maidana after that performance , people were too busy detracting from Floyd saying his legs were gone etc etc. But even so Floyd found a way to win like he always does.

Manny was too small and light to give Floyd any trouble , he was trying to box his way in which is pointless because nobody is outboxing Floyd , that's just how it is.

The fight went exactly as anyone who watches boxing and seen Mayweather fight before. Manny was just another fighter who was confused and completely out of his depth when boxing Floyd. He took his best asset away from him and completely neutralized his offense. As he says "They all think they have the game plan until they get in the ring".

walshb

RoryMac wrote: »

True but but you weight up the risks and if you step into the ring you take your chances, no point bringing it up as an excuse after



Where are you getting that information from?

It's reported on Eastside Boxing

http://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/pacquiao-and-top-rank-make-statement-about-mannys-shoulder-injury/41054

Panic E

RoryMac wrote: »

Where are you getting that information from?

The internet?! It was nothing short of a sabotage, according to Pacquaio…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnBkwfD8DWY

Apart from that it was discussed at the post fight conference, articles etc...

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

Its funny .

Why is all the talk about Mayweather.

Why isn't all the talk about the shocking performance Manny gave us.

It really was terrible.

because everyone accepts mannys performance was terrible what is there to talk about in that regard.

the talk is about mayweather because peoples opinions range from genius/goat to fraud and anywhere in between

walshb

Emmo-m- wrote: »

It takes two to tango as they say.

Some people have short memories , maidana 1 , he forced Floyd to fight rough and dirty , closed the ring off and backed Floyd up to the ropes and forced him to fight and he damn sure gave him a better fight than Manny. Not enough credit was given to Maidana after that performance , people were too busy detracting from Floyd saying his legs were gone etc etc. But even so Floyd found a way to win like he always does.

Manny was too small and light to give Floyd any trouble , he was trying to box his way in which is pointless because nobody is outboxing Floyd , that's just how it is.

The fight went exactly as anyone who watches boxing and seen Mayweather fight before. Manny was just another fighter who was confused and completely out of his depth when boxing Floyd. He took his best asset away from him and completely neutralized his offense. As he says "They all think they have the game plan until they get in the ring".

You are saying a lot but it still doesn't change the fact that Floyd never dominated the offense. He landed no better than Manny in that fight. I could easily argue that Manny neutralized a lot of Floyd's strengths as well. People are focusing far too much on Floyd neutralizing Manny. I don't see moving backwards and hugging and ducking real low as neutralizing. I see it as more desperation and spoiling. I don't reward him for it. I can praise him for being hard to hit, but that's nothing much.

I thought Floyd would dominate and beat Manny a lot more convincingly. He didn't.

walshb

Naomi Inexpensive Meteorology wrote: »

because everyone accepts mannys performance was terrible what is there to talk about in that regard.

the talk is about mayweather because peoples opinions range from genius/goat to fraud and anywhere in between

I don't accept that it was terrible. When your opponent is Floyd and when your opponent is very cagey and intent on defending more than attacking then almost anyone will have issues. Saying Manny was terrible makes Floyd's performance even worse, as a terrible Manny still barely took a decent punch all night.

Manny was terrible and stuill Floyd looked very off as regards his performance and offnsive output,. Is that what people are saying?

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

But as a huge Floyd fan, what did you make of the shots supposedly landed? What did you make of Floyd's offensive output?

Floyd done enough to win most rounds, I think you need to rewatch it as your talking very unsure on it, Manny was dire and could have made Floyd do more, We may not like it but Floyd done enough to comfortably win most rounds

walshb wrote: »

The injury may have worsened through the fight. May have bee passed fit to fight but that doesn't mean an old or recent injury cannot come back to haunt you.

Manny literally lost the 3 1st rounds very easily, he done ok the 4th round so from the off he was non existent, Manny should be the 1 getting the stick as he's the scrapper, he's the 1 that was going to ko Floyd, He's the 1 that was accepting losing rds and not pushing the pace to try get some success, Manny is the reason the fight stunk.

RoryMac

Panic E wrote: »

The internet?! It was nothing short of a sabotage, according to Pacquaio…


Apart from that it was discussed at the post fight conference, articles etc...

Yeah right

But if it is true that they agreed to allow the medication in the lead up and on the day of the fight but then the Nevada commission wouldn't allow it then someone has a bit of explaining to do.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Floyd done enough to win most rounds, I think you need to rewatch it as your talking very unsure on it, Manny was dire and could have made Floyd do more, We may not like it but Floyd done enough to comfortably win most rounds



Manny literally lost the 3 1st rounds very easily, he done ok the 4th round so from the off he was non existent, Manny should be the 1 getting the stick as he's the scrapper, he's the 1 that was going to ko Floyd, He's the 1 that was accepting losing rds and not pushing the pace to try get some success, Manny is the reason the fight stunk.

The 1st rd was tame and very uneventful. Don't see how he lost it easily. Barely a punch was landed.

Panic E

efb wrote: »

Avoiding being hit- clinching

That must be a new rule so…

Marquess of Queensberry rules

1. To be a fair stand-up boxing match in a 24-foot ring, or as near that size as practicable.
2. No wrestling or hugging allowed.
3. The rounds to be of three minutes' duration, and one minute's time between rounds.
4. If either man falls through weakness or otherwise, he must get up unassisted, 10 seconds to be allowed him to do so, the other man meanwhile to return to his corner, and when the fallen man is on his legs the round is to be resumed and continued until the three minutes have expired. If one man fails to come to the scratch in the 10 seconds allowed, it shall be in the power of the referee to give his award in favour of the other man.
5. A man hanging on the ropes in a helpless state, with his toes off the ground, shall be considered down.
6. No seconds or any other person to be allowed in the ring during the rounds.
7. Should the contest be stopped by any unavoidable interference, the referee to name the time and place as soon as possible for finishing the contest; so that the match must be won and lost, unless the backers of both men agree to draw the stakes.
8. The gloves to be fair-sized boxing gloves of the best quality and new.
9. Should a glove burst, or come off, it must be replaced to the referee's satisfaction.
10. A man on one knee is considered down and if struck is entitled to the stakes.

RoryMac

walshb wrote: »

The 1st rd was tame and very uneventful. Don't see how he lost it easily. Barely a punch was landed.

Mayweather caught Manny with a solid right around 2 mins in and I think that may have put a bit of doubt in Manny's mind about rushing in. I think another right from Mayweather were the only 2 good shots of the round but Manny threw nothing.

TheNap

walshb wrote: »

I don't accept that it was terrible. When your opponent is Floyd and when your opponent is very cagey and intent on defending more than attacking then almost anyone will have issues. Saying Manny was terrible makes Floyd's performance even worse, as a terrible Manny still barely took a decent punch all night.

Manny was terrible and stuill Floyd looked very off as regards his performance and offnsive output,. Is that what people are saying?

I dont know what point you're trying to make .

Mayweather fought his biggest foe.

Numerous boxers and journalists picked Manny to win.

The odds in the bookies reflected this.

He won without breaking a sweat.

I dont know how anyone can have anything negative to say about Mayweather.


Its like Barcelona playing Real Madrid . Real Madrid not having a shot at goal and people slate Barcelona because they only won 2 nil.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

@walshb; Remind me again in case I've missed it, what was your exact scoring of the fight?

You didn't miss it. I didn't give a score. I am debating the whole masterclass and Floyd won easily and Floyd was amazing brigade. Floyd was far from it.

Hand on heart at this moment a draw wouldn't be far off the mark. Floyd didn't show me winning rds with winning offense. I don't know how they scored it but from what I saw live I didn't see winning offense from Floyd or Manny.

TheNap

Imagine fighting a hall of famer .

One of the best of this generation.

The most dangerous . The quickest. The most unorthodox .

And winning very easily without breaking a sweat and only getting caught flush once in 36mins .


Call me mad.

But IMO that is genius.

walshb

TheNap wrote: »

I dont know what point you're trying to make .

Mayweather fought his biggest foe.

Numerous boxers and journalists picked Manny to win.

The odds in the bookies reflected this.

He won without breaking a sweat.

I dont know how anyone can have anything negative to say about Mayweather.


Its like Barcelona playing Real Madrid . Real Madrid not having a shot at goal and people slate Barcelona because they only won 2 nil.

My point is clear. I didn't think Manny was terrible. Not any more terrible than his opponent. They both played a part in that stinker. BTW, you have typos I assume in your post?

You want to throw all the negative criticism at Manny, and find it hard to believe that Mayweather is immune?

The Barca-Madrid analogy is ridiculous. Manny had plenty of shots at goal, and landed plenty to Mayweather.

walshb

walshb wrote: »

I don't accept that it was terrible. When your opponent is Floyd and when your opponent is very cagey and intent on defending more than attacking then almost anyone will have issues. Saying Manny was terrible makes Floyd's performance even worse, as a terrible Manny still barely took a decent punch all night.

Manny was terrible and stuill Floyd looked very off as regards his performance and offnsive output,. Is that what people are saying?

dont think floyds performance was good either i criticised him at length earlier in this thread but that does not make mannys ok he needed to attack mayweather and he really didn't. i think both fighters landed about than 10 legit punches between them both fought poor fights