[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

fryup · 04-05-2015 09:42AM

they don't even show clips of it on the news

will this ever be shown on terrestrial TV?

EazyD · 04-05-2015 12:17PM

rebelomar wrote: »

Amazed by the lack of respect Floyd has gotten after the fight. I genuinely feel people both fans and people in the game wanted Pacman to win so badly that it has seriously clouded their judgement.

I respect his intelligence. Everything else about the guy is impossible to like, Manny fan or not.

menoscemo · 04-05-2015 12:23PM

Mellor wrote: »

I haven't seen rd by rd puching stats yet. Have they been released?
If not that the overall punching stats are meaningless in terms of scoring rounds.

Yeah posted earlier in this thread. According to this pacquiao only won the 4th

Where do you see the scorecards btw?

Mellor · 04-05-2015 01:46PM

menoscemo wrote: »

Where do you see the scorecards btw?

Seen it on an MMA site yesterday. A few sites published it at this stage.

Henno30 · 04-05-2015 05:02PM

Please don't use 'punch stats' as some gauge of what happened in a fight. They are wildly inaccurate and are a gimmick that exist purely for tv broadcast. While you can place some faith in the total punch output number, the so-called 'connect percentage' bears no resemblance to reality whatsoever.

Henno30 · 04-05-2015 05:05PM

The shoulder injury thing is apparently legit, Manny's sparring partners have backed the story up:

I don't really care though. I just want both of these guys to go so we can all move on. They got their gigantic pay day after five years of pricking around. That's enough for them.

Talib Fiasco · 04-05-2015 05:13PM

Henno30 wrote: »

Please don't use 'punch stats' as some gauge of what happened in a fight. They are wildly inaccurate and are a gimmick that exist purely for tv broadcast. While you can place some faith in the total punch output number, the so-called 'connect percentage' bears no resemblance to reality whatsoever.

And even at that they never tell the full story...aint that right Castillo-Mayweather 1...oh wait

T-K-O · 04-05-2015 05:36PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

spent all day hiding from the result.

found a good long highlight reel on youtube,

one with none of the usual visit a link and download a virus in Russian and a thing that doesn't work bullsht.

good as the real thing, didn't cost 100 dollars, didnt have to stay up til 5am. All I had to do was hid under the bed all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4Z8imdxek

Nah, as soon an you youtube a fight the results pops up. I have tried and failed many times.

T-K-O · 04-05-2015 05:43PM

Henno30 wrote: »

A masterclass would have looked like Floyd-Marquez. It was far from that.

Floyd did what he usually did, enough but no more than that. Hence the tidal wave of negativity from the wider sporting public this morning.

I hope they both retire by christmas and the sport can move on. All due respect to Floyd, he's a terrible ambassador for the sport. His fights bore people to death and that will never change. Does't matter how good he is at what he does - what he does is something that people find painfully dull.

It was a masterclass alright, a financial masterclass.

I too hope they both retire and have zero interest in PBF's Sept bout.

Talib Fiasco · 04-05-2015 06:03PM

I'll only stay up to watch it if he's against Golovkin, Khan or Lara. They're the only three left with a chance of beating him. I do hope they put effort into the undercard this time. Due to the fact there will be none of the bullsh*t over the Manny/Mayweather fight which put all hopes of a structured undercard on the complete back burner, they could easily get a stacked card for his last fight. Would love to Wilder on the card, as well as lads like Gary Russell Jr, Beterbiev and Andre Dirrell.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 07:59PM

Bit of controversy where the NAC denied him the anti inflammatories he was getting just before the fight. (Pacquiao's shoulder)

Henno30 · 04-05-2015 08:06PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

And even at that they never tell the full story...aint that right Castillo-Mayweather 1...oh wait

I thought it was amusing to see Floyd's fans freaking out over Manny's injured shoulder, when it's the exact same excuse they've used for the Castillo fight for years.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 08:08PM

Who would like to see a rematch? I doubt Floyd would agree to it though

Henno30 · 04-05-2015 08:23PM

Panic E wrote: »

Who would like to see a rematch? I doubt Floyd would agree to it though

I wouldn't. But who could be that surprised if they tried it? This is boxing.

The biggest obstacle isn't the fact that the other night was a stinkfest, although that's clearly an obstacle. The biggest obstacle is that the principle negotiators all hate each other. Getting a deal done would be a nightmare.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 08:51PM

Henno30 wrote: »

I wouldn't. But who could be that surprised if they tried it? This is boxing.

The biggest obstacle isn't the fact that the other night was a stinkfest, although that's clearly an obstacle. The biggest obstacle is that the principle negotiators all hate each other. Getting a deal done would be a nightmare.

Well the principle obstacle would likely be Floyd as he is the one who was avoiding the matchup all along.

He dodged that question at the press conference. I for one would like to see it again, why not. So many questions.

It says a lot when the winner was boo'ed out of the arena. "It was brilliant stinking performance" as Larry Merchant said

Henno30 · 04-05-2015 09:10PM

Panic E wrote: »

Well the principle obstacle would likely be Floyd as he is the one who was avoiding the matchup all along.

He dodged that question at the press conference. I for one would like to see it again, why not. So many questions.

It says a lot when the winner was boo'ed out of the arena. "It was brilliant stinking performance" as Larry Merchant said

Floyd has always stank the place out. The Oscar fight was a stinkfest. The Hatton fight was even worse but Floyd managed to stop him.

Big Ears · 04-05-2015 09:38PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

And even at that they never tell the full story...aint that right Castillo-Mayweather 1...oh wait

Well it is true actually. From the stats saying Castillo threw more punches, landed more punches and had a higher connect % you can tell he outworked Mayweather.
What it doesn't tell you is he also outfoxed and outfought him too :pac:

Panic E · 04-05-2015 09:56PM

Henno30 wrote: »

Floyd has always stank the place out. The Oscar fight was a stinkfest. The Hatton fight was even worse but Floyd managed to stop him.

I know that. Not the first time he's been boo'ed out either.

"Let's do it again" would have been the sporting thing to say

cowzerp · 04-05-2015 10:13PM

Floyd won 10 rounds, 9 if your being very generous to Manny

Talib Fiasco · 04-05-2015 10:55PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Floyd won 10 rounds, 9 if your being very generous to Manny

I think you're the one being generous...extremely generous to Floyd. 118-110 was a disgraceful score.

Panic E · 04-05-2015 11:17PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Floyd won 10 rounds, 9 if your being very generous to Manny

What did he do though really, land some jabs and the occasional potshot while retreating from a smaller man for 12 rounds.

I didn't see any clear winner in a lot of those rounds. It's almost as if Mayweather won the fight just by virtue of not losing it.

Big Ears · 04-05-2015 11:19PM

Panic E wrote: »

What did he do though really, land some jabs and the occasional potshot while retreating from a smaller man for 12 rounds.

I didn't see any clear winner in a lot of those rounds. It's almost as if Mayweather won the fight just by virtue of not losing it.

He won by landing more punches than Pacquiao. he mightn't have landed a huge amount, and he may not have landed with much authority, but he landed more than enough to win.

Kev M · 05-05-2015 12:40AM

It was a dominant performance from Floyd. 9-3 at a push for me. Manny was a live opponent throughout right up til the final bell - but this is boxing, if you want to see a brawl then go sit around temple bar at the weekend.

The amount of hate Mayweather is getting online right now is truly disturbing. I've followed nearly his entire pro career, and to read some of the nonsense that's being posted...

What happened in the fight was what was always going to happen. The only way it could have lived up to the casual fans' hype was for a bomb to go off in the arena.

Henno30 · 05-05-2015 12:45AM

Kev M wrote: »

It was a dominant performance from Floyd. 9-3 at a push for me. Manny was a live opponent throughout right up til the final bell - but this is boxing, if you want to see a brawl then go sit around temple bar at the weekend.

Yes, there's no middle ground between a fight in Temple Bar and a Mayweather fight. None.

Big Ears · 05-05-2015 07:41AM

Henno30 wrote: »

Yes, there's no middle ground between a fight in Temple Bar and a Mayweather fight. None.

While there obviously is a large middle ground between them, the casual fan is summed up by what happens when a fight breaks out in the crowd at a boxing fight. You can have World Class fighters, fighting an absolute war, it going ebb and flow between them and yet large segments of the crowd will stop looking at the action in the ring (which they've actually paid for) to watch 2 coked up geezers in the crowd who have no idea how to fight swinging at each other.

I understand it when people think it might spill over and their own safety may be comprised. But otherwise it just seems one of the most illogical things there is.

05-05-2015 07:59AM

Big Ears wrote: »

While there obviously is a large middle ground between them, the casual fan is summed up by what happens when a fight breaks out in the crowd at a boxing fight. You can have World Class fighters, fighting an absolute war, it going ebb and flow between them and yet large segments of the crowd will stop looking at the action in the ring (which they've actually paid for) to watch 2 coked up geezers in the crowd who have no idea how to fight swinging at each other.

I understand it when people think it might spill over and their own safety may be comprised. But otherwise it just seems one of the most illogical things there is.

quite an ignorant comment in my opinion but there seems to be a lot of "if you dont think mayweather is a genius you dont know what your talking about" going around.

may weather won the fight by the rules thats all he can do and as a defensive boxer its hard to argue with his skill. the difference between him and the great defensive boxers is that the likes of ali and sugar ray sought to use there defensive skills to boost there offensive game whereas may weather seems content to sit back and get points this never has and never will ingratiate him to casual fans or indeed a lot of older boxing fans.

furthermore the claim that this is boxing and not brawling is just silly. boxing since the very beginning has been about punishing the other fighter the points system was brought in so that a winner could be declared when both men are judged even so neither could manage a knockout. mayweather is effectively exploiting a loophole in boxing and it does not make it an "art" it does not mean "true boxing fans" can get high and mighty about it, all it does is further damage a sport that really really needed a fight (or series of fights) that would reinvigorate the sport (as magic and bird did for basketball)

boxing needs to find a way to engage young fans and what happened at the weekend is not the way to do it

05-05-2015 08:22AM

Mexican Coke wrote: »

Mayweather's offensive output has reduced since he entered his mid 30's, he was more offensive in his prime. What was Muhammad Ali doing at 38, oh yea, getting knocked the fukc out.

sure it has but that does not mean what he's doing is "art" or "genius" he's fighting and he's winning but its not fun to watch and its not what boxing is about as people are claiming.

Panic E · 05-05-2015 09:34AM

A selection of Mayweather's dirty tactics from the weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8mFeKQafto

It doesn't even include the main ones- running & hugging.

walshb · 05-05-2015 10:42AM

Don't forget this on Saturday.

http://www.sho.com/sho/movies/titles/3419995/inside-mayweather-vs-pacquiao---epilogue#/index

The epilogues are usually the best episodes.

Deiseboy01 · 05-05-2015 10:45AM

Someone posted that Manny needs surgery on a rotator.

I know there must have been huge pressures on Manny to fight the other night, possibly including financial penalties, but if he turned up badly injured he's effectively cheated the fans and has gone down a lot on my estimation.

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