[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

MisterAnarchy · 03-05-2015 03:18PM

Filipino Manny Pacquiao said a shoulder injury hampered his bid to hand Floyd Mayweather a first ever defeat as a professional .

Pacquiao, suffered the injury during a sparring session, according to his trainer Freddie Roach.

"In the third round, I felt pain in the shoulder," eight-division world champion Pacquiao told reporters after dropping to 57-6-2. "We didn't throw a lot of combinations because it hurt."

"The thing is, what we wanted to do we could not do because of my (right) shoulder."

Roach said the injury occurred after Pacquiao collided with another fighter during sparring and their arms got entangled.

An MRI exam subsequently revealed a tear in the Filipino southpaw's right shoulder, though Roach said the boxer had since made good progress and he felt that he could still compete in the ring.

bur · 03-05-2015 03:23PM

Not the same Manny that destroyed Hatton, DLH, Cotto, Margarito. All I came away from that fight thinking is it should have happened five years ago, or at the very least before the brutal KO by JMM.
Mayweather proved his brilliance again but he missed his chance here of having a career defining fight, and that will be a mark against him when talking about all time greats and the best ever.

rebelomar · 03-05-2015 03:29PM

A lot of posters really p###ed off with Floyd's win.

Enjoyed his performance myself and thought it was fairly conclusive on the night. Didn't think he ran anyway near as much as some suggest. He held the centre of the ring for large portions of the fight.

Manny didn't hold the look of a winner with his body language throughout and after the final bell. Looked resigned to defeat in my eyes anyday and I genuinely was stunned as were Sky, HBO and Showtime it seemed with his reaction afterwards

Gandalph · 03-05-2015 03:40PM

What was the quote from the guy at the start about Floyd and IQ? Something along the lines of having the equivalent of a Mensa boxing IQ level, couldn't really make it out what he said.

menoscemo · 03-05-2015 04:00PM

Mellor wrote: »

Mayweather won, I said after the final bell that 115-113 is the best Manny can hope for. So 116-112 is about right from two if the judges.

But 118-110 was a ridiculous score.

I had it 118-111. I gave Manny the 4th and the 8th and a share of the 3rd and I put a Q mark at the 3rd to say if pushed I'd have given that to Mayweather too. I can see you could argue Pacman won 4 rounds but no more than that. The punch stats prove that IMO.

Anyway moving on; yes it was a boring fight in the grand scheme of things. Not the worst fight but it did not live up to the hype. It's pretty much how I expected it to turn out hence why I put a lump on for Floyd to win by points. I wasn't expecting any kind of barnstormer to be honest and if there was going to be one it was up to Pacman to make it that way like Maidana did. There is no point hating on Floyd about it.

Henno30 · 03-05-2015 04:18PM

Dick phelan wrote: »

How was that a masterclass? Don't get me wrong Floyd won but i don't consider holding to be a master tactic, I also had it closer then 118-110, You don't win rounds just running and jabbing.

A masterclass would have looked like Floyd-Marquez. It was far from that.

Floyd did what he usually did, enough but no more than that. Hence the tidal wave of negativity from the wider sporting public this morning.

I hope they both retire by christmas and the sport can move on. All due respect to Floyd, he's a terrible ambassador for the sport. His fights bore people to death and that will never change. Does't matter how good he is at what he does - what he does is something that people find painfully dull.

myshirt · 03-05-2015 04:57PM

I think the remuneration for these fights needs to be restructured. There was no incentive to get in there and fight, and I think the majority of the boxer's payment does needs to be incentive based.

Something along the lines of decent base level pay, but an extra 20% bonus for the winner, and a flat fee for a knockout. Not like MMA, but certainly there needs to be a split in how these guys are paid, to weight it in favour of performance based pay. These boys got the exact same money regardless of how this fight went. Didn't matter who won or how. Payment was same.

I was depending on Pacquaio getting in there and doing better, as he's a man of integrity and humility. But we can't rely on all boxers integrity or personal pride to drive honest boxing, it needs to be incentive based.

Big Ears · 03-05-2015 05:05PM

myshirt wrote: »

I think the remuneration for these fights needs to be restructured. There was no incentive to get in there and fight, and I think the majority of the boxer's payment does needs to be incentive based.

Something along the lines of decent base level pay, but an extra 20% bonus for the winner, and a flat fee for a knockout. Not like MMA, but certainly there needs to be a split in how these guys are paid, to weight it in favour of performance based pay. These boys got the exact same money regardless of how this fight went. Didn't matter who won or how. Payment was same.

The payment they received was based on their success of their whole career. All the 10-12 week training camps (which they don't get paid for), all the hours in the gym which between fights (which they don't get paid for). That's what meant people were willing to pay big money for ppv, and crazy money for fight tickets.

They deserved the money regardless of how they performed on the night.
Restructuring how fighters are paid in boxing as a whole would be extremely difficult, likely result in more money going to those who need it less (promoters and broadcasters), and just generally be unworkable.

The fight may not have been one for the ages, but both fighters are getting paid their market value, and that surely can only be viewed as fair.

Henno30 · 03-05-2015 05:14PM

myshirt wrote: »

I think the remuneration for these fights needs to be restructured. There was no incentive to get in there and fight, and I think the majority of the boxer's payment does needs to be incentive based.

Something along the lines of decent base level pay, but an extra 20% bonus for the winner, and a flat fee for a knockout. Not like MMA, but certainly there needs to be a split in how these guys are paid, to weight it in favour of performance based pay. These boys got the exact same money regardless of how this fight went. Didn't matter who won or how. Payment was same.

I was depending on Pacquaio getting in there and doing better, as he's a man of integrity and humility. But we can't rely on all boxers integrity or personal pride to drive honest boxing, it needs to be incentive based.

And who's going to dictate that

That's not boxing. This sport is the wild west, the market at it's unrestrained worst. Everything in boxing is about power, and power in boxing resides not in governing bodies but in dollars. As Tyrion Lannister said, if you want justice you've come to the wrong place.

And while it might seem to the infrequent watcher that the sport is going to die if it doesn't change, it won't. The sport has always survived despite its flaws and it always will.

willmunny1990 · 03-05-2015 05:15PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

If I wanna admire pure boxing brilliance I'll take Rigo and Lara over Floyd any day. Floyd of the last few years has an ugly, negative side in his style. The Floyd of old was a joy to watch and he still could do that if he so wishes but more luck to him, he hasn't needed to.

Hes the Mourinho of boxing it seems.

Not easy on the eye but gets results.

efb · 03-05-2015 05:17PM

From BBC:

It is perhaps fitting that a fight which will divide opinion on it's entertainment value is taken, convincingly, by a man who has spent 19 years dividing opinion with each of his 48 fights.

But even the strongest of views can surely not deny the brilliance of the complex character inside the ropes.

Floyd Mayweather's footwork was at home on the sport's grandest stage, his awareness superb, and his educated strikes were timed to perfection. He was, quite simply, too good.

magma69 · 03-05-2015 05:22PM

Some amount of cry baby Pac fans on twitter. "Mayweather is nothing but a runner" comments and putting pics of Ali saying he was a real champion that fought and didn't run. Obviously posted by someone who hasn't actually watched Ali fight because he moved around the ring more than Floyd does.

This is what happens when you're clearly better than all your competitors. People will find some reason to bitch, like "boring boring Chelsea".

myshirt · 03-05-2015 05:24PM

Big Ears, I hear you. I just do believe that something has be imposed on the negotiation of contracts such that say c. 30% of a fighters take from a fight has to be incentive based or no licence for the fight.

How much did this fight do? 300? They could have split 250 based on their market value, and left 50 for the winner to provide incentive. And each guy would forfeit 20 of his purse to the other if knocked out. Something like that. Instead of these guys just showing up and jostling for a half hour, taking their money and f#cking off.

The majority of the money can be earned before they get in the ring, but there needs to be money earned in the ring aswell.

Henno30 · 03-05-2015 05:26PM

myshirt wrote: »

Big Ears, I hear you. I just do believe that something has be imposed on the negotiation of contracts such that c. 30% of a fighters take from a fight has to be incentive based or no licence for the fight.

How much did this fight do? 300? They could have split 250 based on their market value, and left 50 for the winner to provide incentive. And each guy would forfeit 20 of his purse to the other if knocked out. Something like that. Instead of these guys just showing up and jostling for a half hour, taking their money and f#cking off.

The majority of the money can be earned before they get in the ring, but there needs to be money earned in the ring aswell.

FFS.

Who is going to tell them to do this? Can you answer that question first.

messinkiapina · 03-05-2015 05:28PM

I don't think Floyd is dull at all. I love watching him, he's an artist. I also like watching the Mike Tyson/Micky Ward types. Floyd is different but no less fascinating.

He'll still always be slightly tainted for me, because I do belive he waited until Manny was done to take this fight. I think he'd have beaten him 5 years ago, but it would have been a lot more dangerous.

I'd love to have seen him fight in the 80s when it would have been impossible to duck and dive in a division full of great fighters. I'm sure he'd have done fine but he wouldn't be retiring with that perfect record he has been unfortunately obsessed with maintaining.

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 05:28PM

myshirt wrote: »

Big Ears, I hear you. I just do believe that something has be imposed on the negotiation of contracts such that say c. 30% of a fighters take from a fight has to be incentive based or no licence for the fight.

How much did this fight do? 300? They could have split 250 based on their market value, and left 50 for the winner to provide incentive. And each guy would forfeit 20 of his purse to the other if knocked out. Something like that. Instead of these guys just showing up and jostling for a half hour, taking their money and f#cking off.

The majority of the money can be earned before they get in the ring, but there needs to be money earned in the ring aswell.

You just got to love the casuals :pac:

myshirt · 03-05-2015 05:32PM

Henno30 wrote: »

FFS.

Who is going to tell them to do this? Can you answer that question first.

Who sanctions fights? Who permits boxing licences? Who regulates boxing?

Just throwing it out there. Fight was disappointing. There was better within these two fighters, and you have to ask why we didn't see it. For me, there's little incentive to showcase it. The money was in the bag before first bell. Flyod didn't even listen to his father.

EazyD · 03-05-2015 05:37PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

You just got to love the casuals :pac:

Likewise the armchair "specialists"......cough

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 05:39PM

EazyD wrote: »

Like wise the armchair "specialists"......cough

Why yes, yes I am loved... I am loved incredibly by many many beautiful ladies. Guilty.

myshirt · 03-05-2015 05:41PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

You just got to love the casuals :pac:

Jesus man, I'm just throwing the idea out there ffs. The point is simple and it applies anywhere. If a person's payment is incentive based, they behave differently. That's all. Look at bankers, who got paid the same money whether they drove the bank into the ground, or elevated it up to the Sky.

Sometimes payment has to be incentive based and linked to performance. That's been our lesson. It's not an outrageous idea.
And it's just an idea, so chill the f#ck out.

Henno30 · 03-05-2015 05:46PM

myshirt wrote: »

Who sanctions fights? Who permits boxing licences? Who regulates boxing?

Just throwing it out there. Fight was disappointing. There was better within these two fighters, and you have to ask why we didn't see it. For me, there's little incentive to showcase it. The money was in the bag before first bell. Flyod didn't even listen to his father.

No one regulates boxing. As I said in a previous post, it's the wild west.

With all due respect, and I don't mean to be hostile, but learn a little more about how the sport works instead of sauntering in after watching one fight, and recommending sweeping changes to structures you barely understand.

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 05:48PM

myshirt wrote: »

Jesus man, I'm just throwing the idea out there ffs. The point is simple and it applies anywhere. If a person's payment is incentive based, they behave differently. That's all. Look at bankers, who got paid the same money whether they drove the bank into the ground, or elevated it up to the Sky.

Sometimes payment has to be incentive based and linked to performance. It's not an outrageous idea. And it's just an idea, so chill the f#ck out.

This is sport, not sales. Floyd and Manny could have salsa danced for 12 rounds last night and although it would be uproar, they have more than earned the right to do what they want in the ring as they have worked their way up from nothing. The place they are now was their incentive back then, not some ridiculous proposition of money for being good complying little sports people. Floyd has broke practically every common sense and ethical rule in sport let alone Boxing but it has made him who he is.

It's akin to teasing a dog with a bone for him to beg for it... They're human beings, and Floyd and Manny are a lot more to the sanctioning bodies then they are to them. It's like telling a president elect that he won't get elected unless he makes the country the best in the world...it's simply an unrealistic demand.

Your last sentence is hilariously ironical.

willmunny1990 · 03-05-2015 05:53PM

Some of the butt hurt going around is hilarious:D

I think people overestimated Manny and what he could do, same as Canelo, at the time it was supposed to be a dangerous fight for Floyd, the one to test him but in the end it proved a walk in the park, i think a lot are surprised how easily floyd dealt with Manny and are upset he didn't or couldn't make a better stab at it.

myshirt · 03-05-2015 05:54PM

Alright lads, I'm off to watch Rocky 1 through 4, so I'll let ye at it.

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 06:34PM

I think one valid suggestion that would make Boxing more attractive to the average viewr and would make some sense overall is a change in the scoring system. There were many rounds that Mayweather was given (and many many other fighters in the past) that could arguably have been given any way but maybe one punch 'swung' the round which is non-sensical in my opinion. How can one punch decide a round if it's not a knockdown punch? There has to be more emphasis placed on scoring a round 10-10 for a complete barn burner of a round and a 9-9 for a round that was just a game of chess and maybe one solid punch landed in the whole round.

In terms of Manny fans, I can see why they're a little p*ssed off today...the rounds he won, he clearly won. Floyd won some clear rounds too but there's a good few rounds that could have gone either way and went to Floyd because Manny had less punch accuracy or Floyd landed one clean straight or something. I don't think that warrants winning a round at all. He did better in the round but 'winning' the round?..I'm not so sure.

If there was more emphasis on having each round as a 9-9 at the opening bell of the round and then change it to a 10 in favour of the clear round winner or leave it 9-9 if nothing impresses it'd be a lot better. I often feel judges tend to give rounds to some fighters on sort of a 'benefit of the doubt' that if the round lasted another minute he'd probably land a clean blow that'd win him the round. I also feel they feel under pressure to always award the round to one fighter at the end of each round. It's pretty rare you see a 9-9/10-10 round when frankly they occur in practically every fight.

It's something I'd love to ask a boxer like B-Hop who truly 'gets' Boxing

Bubolor · 03-05-2015 06:57PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I think one valid suggestion that would make Boxing more attractive to the average viewr and would make some sense overall is a change in the scoring system. There were many rounds that Mayweather was given (and many many other fighters in the past) that could arguably have been given any way but maybe one punch 'swung' the round which is non-sensical in my opinion. How can one punch decide a round if it's not a knockdown punch? There has to be more emphasis placed on scoring a round 10-10 for a complete barn burner of a round and a 9-9 for a round that was just a game of chess and maybe one solid punch landed in the whole round.

In terms of Manny fans, I can see why they're a little p*ssed off today...the rounds he won, he clearly won. Floyd won some clear rounds too but there's a good few rounds that could have gone either way and went to Floyd because Manny had less punch accuracy or Floyd landed one clean straight or something. I don't think that warrants winning a round at all. He did better in the round but 'winning' the round?..I'm not so sure.

If there was more emphasis on having each round as a 9-9 at the opening bell of the round and then change it to a 10 in favour of the clear round winner or leave it 9-9 if nothing impresses it'd be a lot better. I often feel judges tend to give rounds to some fighters on sort of a 'benefit of the doubt' that if the round lasted another minute he'd probably land a clean blow that'd win him the round. I also feel they feel under pressure to always award the round to one fighter at the end of each round. It's pretty rare you see a 9-9/10-10 round when frankly they occur in practically every fight.

It's something I'd love to ask a boxer like B-Hop who truly 'gets' Boxing

There should be rounds that are scored 10-6 for example.

froog · 03-05-2015 06:57PM

i really really wanted manny to win like a lot of people. mayweather won this fight by a distance though. i thought he was superb to be honest. manny didn't look himself at all, chiefly when he was landing combos he would stop and back off for some reason, whereas the manny of old would have continued the flurry for 10 seconds more. he was way too cagey. the only way he was ever going to win this fight was by going all in. i have no real interest in a rematch either to be honest, i don't think there's any questions left unanswered.

Talib Fiasco · 03-05-2015 07:00PM

Bubolor wrote: »

There should be rounds that are scored 10-6 for example.

I think that's extreme unless one fighter scores three knockdowns...then it's okay. There have been instances of a 10-8 round without a knockdown which is okay at times but I think if they placed more of an emphasis not being afraid to give even rounds.

efb · 03-05-2015 07:22PM

myshirt wrote: »

Alright lads, I'm off to watch Rocky 1 through 4, so I'll let ye at it.

Probably better off with Hollywood

efb · 03-05-2015 07:28PM

If some of ye can't see why FMM won 8 of 12 rounds ye need to brush up on your boxing knowledge. 2 rounds were close, Manny shaded one, Floyd the other. So that would be 7-5 or 9-3.

I think 8-4 was the most correct decision.
Mayweather did all he had to do. Some hest think guys should be putting their lives needlessly at risk for your enjoyment.

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