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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • #3212
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    sean mac wrote: »
    Hold back why?do these fellas have bags of medals?there is a real softness about this team 4 out of 5 finals list and hammered in most of them,jbm not up to speed on the line,cork will be better in a few weeks but this team is after regressing and are further off an all ireland this year. Any cork player who held bacj today is a disgrace,did kk ever hold back for any game?
    Sean cork had no real interest in this as knew waterford playing twice again month
    So no way cork going show full hand
    Yes league was wanted but as soon as Waterford were the opponent cork were imo not up its


    I posted consistently this all weekend I posted half time waterford thread don't be shocked cork fall sway as four injury in camp and touch pace hunger want wasn't there as with out disclose too much cork what I hear training let's just say geared for June this week not today


    No point beaten waterford today when June counts
    Jbm landers are at last like learning you never revel all if when you play the same team twice
    Waterford think their great after today and won't match that the next day and cork imo be much better

    Cork want be like KK but don't have the level like KK beat same team twice in a month so imo were right not go all out today


    Great news is aidan Ryan while not t one v ons didn't play bad and has hurling and presence and will start in June

    Once harnedy is fit cork will win

    Look imo I'm rarely wrong I said Dublin beat cork football last week and did

    Cork I said loose all week and did and said half time expect cork fall sway
    Very similar to clare in ninety eight
    Im not unduly worried be honest in half throttle sixteen points just conceded one goal which Nash fault forward cork way more them full throttle and Gleeson won't be allowed dominate again
    Cork were right like kerry let him have day today no point having plan stop him

    Next day we will


    You keep going on bout softness regards every results
    At times I totally agree but not always the case
    Softness nothing to do with today in team lethargic for very valid reasons
    Whatever bout all Ireland sean imo June we will win
    I fully expected this and said so all week


  • #3213
    Colemania
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Colemania


    So ya..... I went with my gut and picked Waterford in the predictions league. At least a Limerick man won something!


  • #3214
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    The growler wrote: »
    Clare in 1998 were a far more formidable force than Cork in 2015. They had won 2 All-Irelands in the previous 3 years. By contrast this Cork team has won the sum total of one Munster title.

    Don't know why Cork would bust themselves to win the semi final against Dublin and then not bother trying to win the final. Championship may well be a different story but I'd be worried if I was a Cork fan. A team with little success shouldn't be so unconcerned with a walloping in a League Final.
    Cause cork thought they be playing tipp

    Then waterford won so why oh why would cork go all out with June looming

    Cork are not playing all Ireland champions in Waterford so won't be affected by today but like clare didn't need show hand and will imo June show more
    Waterford crystal cork didn't go all out either in the final
    I say it now cork will beat Waterford but in munster final won't go all out as imo munster final no good cork

    All Ireland has be the goal with the league all year but that changed after imo Waterford were in the final
    It's was clear as day cork no interest in the second hand in was like cotk four down said this is best they have pull back look at space that had
    I said it would happen at half time in clear to see cork would fall away
    No worries imo for cork yes it be close but cork I have no doubt will win in June


  • #3215
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Colemania wrote: »
    So ya..... I went with my gut and picked Waterford in the predictions league. At least a Limerick man won something!

    You took my advice so when I told you go for Waterford

    Delighted for you
    In the big games I'm rarely wrongly so your imo were never going to loose with Waterford


  • #3216
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    we're not that clever

    Landers is
    I can't belive the naivete with some cork fans
    Cork had no interest surely the second half proved that


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  • #3217
    sean mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭sean mac


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Landers is
    I can't belive the naivete with some cork fans
    Cork had no interest surely the second half proved that

    There would be mixed views on landers with a lot of peopke,riddle me what team did he coach to a county?a great man to roar in fairness. As i said before lot of fellas on this cork team who like the perks of cars and reardons but when it comes to big matches........these fellas have won **** all but act like they are kk except really great players like harnedy who could be misding the next day. This cork team are not respected outside of cork imo and need to really step up


  • #3218
    The growler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭The growler


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Cause cork thought they be playing tipp

    Then waterford won so why oh why would cork go all out with June looming

    Cork are not playing all Ireland champions in Waterford so won't be affected by today but like clare didn't need show hand and will imo June show more
    Waterford crystal cork didn't go all out either in the final
    I say it now cork will beat Waterford but in munster final won't go all out as imo munster final no good cork

    All Ireland has be the goal with the league all year but that changed after imo Waterford were in the final
    It's was clear as day cork no interest in the second hand in was like cotk four down said this is best they have pull back look at space that had
    I said it would happen at half time in clear to see cork would fall away
    No worries imo for cork yes it be close but cork I have no doubt will win in June

    Maybe you're right ttm but I have my doubts. You're usually perceptive enough though so I respect your opinion.


  • #3219
    Figsy32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 571 ✭✭✭Figsy32


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Landers is
    I can't belive the naivete with some cork fans
    Cork had no interest surely the second half proved that

    There's no doubt Cork lacked intensity. Whether that was by design or just one of those things I don't know. That'll be there in the Summer though so I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

    What worries me though is the aimless long balls hit where there was 1 Cork man and 2 Waterford players, or sometimes just straight to Waterford men. Cormac Murphy hit a lot of ball as the spare man but a lot of aimless ball too. I think Ellis is much better in that role.

    Their system also doesn't suit our forwards as the likes of Lehane, Cadogan, Harnedy rely on being able to run at defences. They were crowded out a lot today. Plus we'll have difficulties winning the ball inside.

    I'd still be pretty confident we'll manage to win in the Summer, but I'm more concerned about it than I was a couple of hours ago.


  • #3220
    Canyon86
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    sean mac wrote: »
    Hold back why?do these fellas have bags of medals?there is a real softness about this team 4 out of 5 finals list and hammered in most of them,jbm not up to speed on the line,cork will be better in a few weeks but this team is after regressing and are further off an all ireland this year. Any cork player who held bacj today is a disgrace,did kk ever hold back for any game?

    Only stating my opinion,
    Second cork didn't want to know about it,
    Clearly one on June and rite fully so.
    League is only good for blooding players, all Ireland is where it's at for
    Cork
    Hurling and you d be a fool
    To be upset about today's result.
    Jbm thinking long term


  • #3221
    thinkstoomuch1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Figsy32 wrote: »
    There's no doubt Cork lacked intensity. Whether that was by design or just one of those things I don't know. That'll be there in the Summer though so I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

    What worries me though is the aimless long balls hit where there was 1 Cork man and 2 Waterford players, or sometimes just straight to Waterford men. Cormac Murphy hit a lot of ball as the spare man but a lot of aimless ball too. I think Ellis is much better in that role.

    Their system also doesn't suit our forwards as the likes of Lehane, Cadogan, Harnedy rely on being able to run at defences. They were crowded out a lot today. Plus we'll have difficulties winning the ball inside.

    I'd still be pretty confident we'll manage to win in the Summer, but I'm more concerned about it than I was a couple of hours ago.
    Cork left lehane at full and hit long ball down him as no point did cork want to show plan b

    All I'm going to say for now is cork have no doubt plan b for Waterford
    Today was brilliant in cork no doubt have to adapt and play sweeper plus lot cork lads lost forty forty battles know way more them
    Jbm should say now he's really afraid waterford and cork have huge ground to make up
    Play the old yerra mind games



    Dont forgetting waterford took the lead from the off never let up and cork had to chase
    Just wait for June cork will dictate the tempo
    I am confident and no doubt cork will win June

    I agree some your points


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  • #3222
    thinkstoomuch1
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    The growler wrote: »
    Maybe you're right ttm but I have my doubts. You're usually perceptive enough though so I respect your opinion.

    Look I dont do false dawns and I know when to smell a rat
    Fair enough you have doubts but no way waterford improved be ten point better team then cork in a short length of time

    Waterford have a lot of issues imo and I wouldn't be fooled by today
    It's set up perfectly for cork imo


  • #3223
    sean mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭sean mac


    Canyon86 wrote: »
    Only stating my opinion,
    Second cork didn't want to know about it,
    Clearly one on June and rite fully so.
    League is only good for blooding players, all Ireland is where it's at for
    Cork
    Hurling and you d be a fool
    To be upset about today's result.
    Jbm thinking long term

    well hes on year 4 so i presume long term it is, this team is no where near an all ireland


  • #3224
    redlead
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    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Look I dont do false dawns and I know when to smell a rat
    Fair enough you have doubts but no way waterford improved be ten point better team then cork in a short length of time

    Waterford have a lot of issues imo and I wouldn't be fooled by today
    It's set up perfectly for cork imo

    I was saying to my dad that that's the first time I've ever seen a Cork team give up. There's something wrong there for sure. Reading the nonsense you come out with I'd begin to wonder. How you could perceive a ten point thumping in a national final as a positive I just don't know. I actually feel embarrassed for you personally.

    Fingers crossed Harnedys injury isn't as bad as it seems. He is an immense talent. By far Corks best player.


  • #3225
    ShamoBuc
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    The girls lost the match in the first half, but showed far better in the second half, they will certainly learn from todays match.

    Waterford are lge champions, deservedly so. They don't win much at national level and you could clearly see that it meant a lot more to them than it did to Cork. They played with an intensity in the opoening minutes that Cork did not rise to and continued in that vain throughout the game. They had a very clear game plan and executed it very well. Clearly more motivated and definately the right team won, no complaints whatsoever .

    I would have liked to see Walsh going to ff after 15 mins. I think he could have done a job there as he was next to useless out the field. Our midfield were not mobile enough and lost that battle . I would have preferred Ryan to last the 70 min rather than give Cahalane some game time . Short puckouts annoy me. Their second score came from a shocking delivery by Nash and when it did work, the ball only got about as far as a long drive by Nash anyway.
    Not too worried really about the second gear approach Cork had but a final is a final and we should have wanted it more than we did. As always, its championship that matters. I fully expect Cork to be on their toes in 5 weeks time while Waterford won't improve much more I think. They played about as well as they could today. Not sure if anybody had a bad game for them.
    It sets up the championship nicely. Waterford in confident mood after beating us and winning the lge in the process. Cork, after a poor performance, with a lot to do, but I think they have huge room for improvement- all over the pitch!


  • #3226
    thinkstoomuch1
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    redlead wrote: »
    I was saying to my dad that that's the first time I've ever seen a Cork team give up. There's something wrong there for sure. Reading the nonsense you come out with I'd begin to wonder. How you could perceive a ten point thumping in a national final as a positive I just don't know. I actually feel embarrassed for you personally.

    Fingers crossed Harnedys injury isn't as bad as it seems. He is an immense talent. By far Corks best player.
    Thanks no need to need though
    My posts have stood the test of time and while i thank you for the compliment I don't need to feel embarrassed for me
    Your the same one that tried telling all who would listen on the Waterford thread cork hadn't won munster since o6 and had to be corrected so rather than feel for me I suggest you research you munster final history a bit more

    I respect your opinion totally but I disagree with it


  • #3227
    thinkstoomuch1
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    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    The girls lost the match in the first half, but showed far better in the second half, they will certainly learn from todays match.

    Waterford are lge champions, deservedly so. They don't win much at national level and you could clearly see that it meant a lot more to them than it did to Cork. They played with an intensity in the opoening minutes that Cork did not rise to and continued in that vain throughout the game. They had a very clear game plan and executed it very well. Clearly more motivated and definately the right team won, no complaints whatsoever .

    I would have liked to see Walsh going to ff after 15 mins. I think he could have done a job there as he was next to useless out the field. Our midfield were not mobile enough and lost that battle . I would have preferred Ryan to last the 70 min rather than give Cahalane some game time . Short puckouts annoy me. Their second score came from a shocking delivery by Nash and when it did work, the ball only got about as far as a long drive by Nash anyway.
    Not too worried really about the second gear approach Cork had but a final is a final and we should have wanted it more than we did. As always, its championship that matters. I fully expect Cork to be on their toes in 5 weeks time while Waterford won't improve much more I think. They played about as well as they could today. Not sure if anybody had a bad game for them.
    It sets up the championship nicely. Waterford in confident mood after beating us and winning the lge in the process. Cork, after a poor performance, with a lot to do, but I think they have huge room for improvement- all over the pitch!

    Great assement I agree totally and very realistic


  • #3228
    It makes sense
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    sean mac wrote: »
    Hold back why?do these fellas have bags of medals?there is a real softness about this team 4 out of 5 finals list and hammered in most of them,jbm not up to speed on the line,cork will be better in a few weeks but this team is after regressing and are further off an all ireland this year. Any cork player who held bacj today is a disgrace,did kk ever hold back for any game?

    Would agree never did kk any harm in winning league finals I know everything is aimed towards championship but winning and desire is a hard thing to turn on and off I would be slightly worried now going into the next game.


  • #3229
    thinkstoomuch1
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    sean mac wrote: »
    well hes on year 4 so i presume long term it is, this team is no where near an all ireland

    Landers done great under age set up cork to rebuild on previous disasters

    Killeagh won undrr twenty one b last year
    Now not for anyway saying it cuts cloth but he's well respected cork and I understand you may not watched him train teams but I hsve and he's good
    Huge worry I had was he's inexperienced but done well so far and has worked very good training but championship is the judge

    You see landers was member cork team in ninety eight beaten by clare in munster a month after the league so imo he knew too well no benefit showing hand now
    Cork had way more intensity last week challenge v KK


    You talk about bottle etc fair enough
    But o Neill you said was finished actually had good game today and yes fault for goal but that was sloppy game was over
    Cork were always behind kk but today showed may have a full back but cork all sytem go for June when we win munster final that we won't care bout so no need to come out call cork soft then when all Ireland series all that matters


    What today proved was lack depth and lawton who had perform fight place was poor
    Whatever about anything else cork will beat Waterford I have no doubt in June


  • #3230
    blackcard
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    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Sean cork had no real interest in this as knew waterford playing twice again month
    So no way cork going show full hand
    Yes league was wanted but as soon as Waterford were the opponent cork were imo not up its


    I posted consistently this all weekend I posted half time waterford thread don't be shocked cork fall sway as four injury in camp and touch pace hunger want wasn't there as with out disclose too much cork what I hear training let's just say geared for June this week not today


    No point beaten waterford today when June counts
    Jbm landers are at last like learning you never revel all if when you play the same team twice
    Waterford think their great after today and won't match that the next day and cork imo be much better

    Cork want be like KK but don't have the level like KK beat same team twice in a month so imo were right not go all out today


    Great news is aidan Ryan while not t one v ons didn't play bad and has hurling and presence and will start in June

    Once harnedy is fit cork will win

    Look imo I'm rarely wrong I said Dublin beat cork football last week and did

    Cork I said loose all week and did and said half time expect cork fall sway
    Very similar to clare in ninety eight
    Im not unduly worried be honest in half throttle sixteen points just conceded one goal which Nash fault forward cork way more them full throttle and Gleeson won't be allowed dominate again
    Cork were right like kerry let him have day today no point having plan stop him

    Next day we will


    You keep going on bout softness regards every results
    At times I totally agree but not always the case
    Softness nothing to do with today in team lethargic for very valid reasons
    Whatever bout all Ireland sean imo June we will win
    I fully expected this and said so all week

    It doesn't seem very fair to the Cork Supporters if Cork were not at full throttle today. Fair enough, they don't need to reveal their tactics but the team should put in a good shift
    I would be disgusted if my team didn't


  • #3231
    johnkieran1
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    My mother always said (and my mother was a very wise woman) that "self praise is no praise". A bombast was the word she'd use to describe them


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  • #3232
    Corcaigh Abu1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Corcaigh Abu1


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Cork left lehane at full and hit long ball down him as no point did cork want to show plan b

    All I'm going to say for now is cork have no doubt plan b for Waterford
    Today was brilliant in cork no doubt have to adapt and play sweeper plus lot cork lads lost forty forty battles know way more them
    Jbm should say now he's really afraid waterford and cork have huge ground to make up
    Play the old yerra mind games



    Dont forgetting waterford took the lead from the off never let up and cork had to chase
    Just wait for June cork will dictate the tempo
    I am confident and no doubt cork will win June

    I agree some your points

    I find it hard to accept that cork had no interest in winning, even if your right and they didn't want to show their hand it's another final lost by this team and that can't be good for them mentally.


  • #3233
    It makes sense
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭It makes sense


    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Landers done great under age set up cork to rebuild on previous disasters

    Killeagh won undrr twenty one b last year
    Now not for anyway saying it cuts cloth but he's well respected cork and I understand you may not watched him train teams but I hsve and he's good
    Huge worry I had was he's inexperienced but done well so far and has worked very good training but championship is the judge

    You see landers was member cork team in ninety eight beaten by clare in munster a month after the league so imo he knew too well no benefit showing hand now
    Cork had way more intensity last week challenge v KK


    You talk about bottle etc fair enough
    But o Neill you said was finished actually had good game today and yes fault for goal but that was sloppy game was over
    Cork were always behind kk but today showed may have a full back but cork all sytem go for June when we win munster final that we won't care bout so no need to come out call cork soft then when all Ireland series all that matters


    What today proved was lack depth and lawton who had perform fight place was poor
    Whatever about anything else cork will beat Waterford I have no doubt in June

    There is no problem not showing your full hand with championship round the corner but I feel for those cork supporters who travelled up in good heart paid their money and then saw cork go down without a fight that is not acceptable. All supporters do not mind losing but go down trying, if jbm was that worried about showing everything why not give some other fringe players a start like coughlan, like Burke and ask them to give everything we still might have lost but at least people who attended might have got some value


  • #3234
    zetecescort
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    amazing how the football team gets crucified for losing but the hurlers are saving themselves. today was every bit as bad as last week. we got the run around today and had no answer.

    not showing their hand ffs. its a national final, go and ****ing win it. it's not like we are weighed down with medals we can pick and choose what we want to win.

    desperately disappointing day.


  • #3235
    Cu Baire
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    johnkieran1 wrote: »
    My mother always said (and my mother was a very wise woman) that "self praise is no praise". A bombast was the word she'd use to describe them

    But if self praise is the only praise you will ever hear then maybe it is understandable....


  • #3236
    Scaldy Ned
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Scaldy Ned


    Hey Corkonians
    I'm from Waterford and would love to get your opinions on the thread i started here .
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057424015

    A thread from your best next door neighbour......


  • #3237
    thinkstoomuch1
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    zetecescort wrote: »
    amazing how the football team gets crucified for losing but the hurlers are saving themselves. today was every bit as bad as last week. we got the run around today and had no answer.

    not showing their hand ffs. its a national final, go and ****ing win it. it's not like we are weighed down with medals we can pick and choose what we want to win.

    desperately disappointing day.
    Ah the football had no excuse as Dublin were not being played twice in a month
    The hurling while as a cork man not fully acceptable least under jbm-sometimes-it-can-be-stupid-to-go-for-goals has minor senior munster championship etc all Ireland final what has cuthbert done???

    Nothing and since start been clear clear non progressive solution key problems plus the recall of older players

    Cork at least today tried and may have solved full back

    Also for a start jbm doesn't talk about wille wonka, defence trouble we have blanket , attack referees and other managers critsom and A root and branch review which is just pr spin

    Jbm gets every inch out of the players and while he has weak areas no doubt at least he has previous all Ireland winning selector with him that football don't

    Also cork hurling is still top four team and jbm has them four years in row where took over team in shambles but cuthbert actually took over football team with six or seven senior all Ireland winners
    So don't compare football to hurling when it's apples and oranges
    I'll be the ist to critse if cork loose in June but they won't


  • #3238
    Mountainlad
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    Ye seemed to play a lot more short passing in the second which was more effective than what ye were doing before. Not convinced they had no interest in today though maybe intensity was lacking. That said, had they no interest the first day in the drawn championship game last year?

    Ye've still problems at full back, I would be worried about Aidan Walsh's ability in a game played at pace and as said already Connors has the measure of Horgan when he stays in the full forward line so that would be a concern for ye too. Paudi O Sullivan, Lehane, Harnedy very dangerous players but this is not the first time Cork have failed to answer the questions asked of them in a big game.

    Talk of all-irelands for this team is very premature at this stage. They are good but have plenty to prove. June will be a new game no doubt about, we're not gonna just go away though lads ye should know that from today.


  • #3239
    Canyon86
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    any news on harnedy lads?

    he d be a fierce loss if he is injured


  • #3240
    Corcaigh Abu1
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    thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »
    Ah the football had no excuse as Dublin were not being played twice in a month
    The hurling while as a cork man not fully acceptable least under jbm-sometimes-it-can-be-stupid-to-go-for-goals has minor senior munster championship etc all Ireland final what has cuthbert done???

    Nothing and since start been clear clear non progressive solution key problems plus the recall of older players

    Cork at least today tried and may have solved full back

    Also for a start jbm doesn't talk about wille wonka, defence trouble we have blanket , attack referees and other managers critsom and A root and branch review which is just pr spin

    Jbm gets every inch out of the players and while he has weak areas no doubt at least he has previous all Ireland winning selector with him that football don't

    Also cork hurling is still top four team and jbm has them four years in row where took over team in shambles but cuthbert actually took over football team with six or seven senior all Ireland winners
    So don't compare football to hurling when it's apples and oranges
    I'll be the ist to critse if cork loose in June but they won't

    Ttm1, what do u think plan b is now that Jbm has seen what waterford can do? That's probably the championship 15, but you'd hope they set up differently? lehane won't be left in the corner, rob o shea as extra midfielder.
    The crowded midfield didn't suit Kearny or Walsh today, both will start in June but how will they do against amother packed midfield.
    I thought Murphy was going to be used as a spare man much higher up the pitch coz he is usually good for one or two long range points. However he seeyed to sit in front of the full back. Will he fill that role again In June?


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  • #3241
    ShamoBuc
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    Mountainlad wrote: »
    Ye seemed to play a lot more short passing in the second which was more effective than what ye were doing before. Not convinced they had no interest in today though maybe intensity was lacking. That said, had they no interest the first day in the drawn championship game last year?

    Ye've still problems at full back, I would be worried about Aidan Walsh's ability in a game played at pace and as said already Connors has the measure of Horgan when he stays in the full forward line so that would be a concern for ye too. Paudi O Sullivan, Lehane, Harnedy very dangerous players but this is not the first time Cork have failed to answer the questions asked of them in a big game.

    Talk of all-irelands for this team is very premature at this stage. They are good but have plenty to prove. June will be a new game no doubt about, we're not gonna just go away though lads ye should know that from today.

    Intensity was seriously lacking today. Walsh, I don't see as a midfielder - he is simply not mobile enough. HF is where he should be played. His ability under the high ball and scoring ability makes him a perfect ht in my opinion. I remember him playing u21 for Cork there, seems very strange to have him anywhere else. Possibly ff as a target man, with his strength it could be an option.
    As to All Ireland's, I see us being infinitely better in the summer but not as eventually winners of Liam.


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