Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Figsy32

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

Ttm1, what do u think plan b is now that Jbm has seen what waterford can do? That's probably the championship 15, but you'd hope they set up differently? lehane won't be left in the corner, rob o shea as extra midfielder.
The crowded midfield didn't suit Kearny or Walsh today, both will start in June but how will they do against amother packed midfield.
I thought Murphy was going to be used as a spare man much higher up the pitch coz he is usually good for one or two long range points. However he seeyed to sit in front of the full back. Will he fill that role again In June?

I wonder if an option may be O'Shea to midfield and Lehane to the wing and Walsh wearing 14 but playing the role Cronin did last year coming from deep for puckouts? I can't see the likes of Paudie or Luke getting much change from Waterford's system.

Scaldy Ned

Me poor oul mam used to say to me ...."who are we playing today ?" Mam i'd say....Cork ! "Oh Jesus she'd say "The blood and bandages" why did you call em that i'd ask ? "Because even if they're heads were split open the bastards would still score against you" and that's Cork for ye.....BUT "Better them than the other bastards" she's also say....Those who shall remain nameless.....Me poor mam is not well at the moment and i'd hate to tell her Cork Didn't turn up today .......Did they ?????

thinkstoomuch1

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

Ttm1, what do u think plan b is now that Jbm has seen what waterford can do? That's probably the championship 15, but you'd hope they set up differently? lehane won't be left in the corner, rob o shea as extra midfielder.
The crowded midfield didn't suit Kearny or Walsh today, both will start in June but how will they do against amother packed midfield.
I thought Murphy was going to be used as a spare man much higher up the pitch coz he is usually good for one or two long range points. However he seeyed to sit in front of the full back. Will he fill that role again In June?

There's a clear plan for Waterford imo but no point saying now
I'll tell you the Thursday before cork play
Waterford have their system but once that is beat their in trouble
Have no doubt cork will look at today's game and lot battles lost won't be lost again by some of the players

Mountain lad was right waterford won't go away but cork will be stronger and the hunger drive and once bitten twice shy now with cork
June can't come fast enough

Mountainlad

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Intensity was seriously lacking today. Walsh, I don't see as a midfielder - he is simply not mobile enough. HF is where he should be played. His ability under the high ball and scoring ability makes him a perfect ht in my opinion. I remember him playing u21 for Cork there, seems very strange to have him anywhere else. Possibly ff as a target man, with his strength it could be an option.
As to All Ireland's, I see us being infinitely better in the summer but not as eventually winners of Liam.

He played mifield in the u21 munster final defeat to Limerick in 2011. Did he score 0-8 points or something or am I imagining that? He was immense anyway, and while he may come good Senior Inter County hurling is not a light switch you can just turn on and off. He's missed vital years in his development and is trying to make up for lost ground and on the evidence of today, most of the Dublin game and the Tipp game last year he still has a lot of that ground yet to make up.

I can't fathom anyone treating today with nonchalance. I know ye will be better in June and at this point have as much chance as us but like if it were Kilkenny we were playing today they'd go all out. We've proven we're no mugs, but you were still playing Waterford, coming from 1B, not as heralded at Tipp. So what if ye are playing us in 6 weeks time, there's no "you can only win one so pick" about this.

If we were beaten as badly by ye today, I would be very worried.

ShamoBuc

Scaldy Ned wrote: »

Me poor oul mam used to say to me ...."who are we playing today ?" Mam i'd say....Cork ! "Oh Jesus she'd say "The blood and bandages" why did you call em that i'd ask ? "Because even if they're heads were split open the bastards would still score against you" and that's Cork for ye.....BUT "Better them than the other bastards" she's also say....Those who shall remain nameless.....Me poor mam is not well at the moment and i'd hate to tell her Cork Didn't turn up today .......Did they ?????

The very obvious is No. Why not start another thread on it?

KevIRL

Commiserations on today lads. Just one of those days where nothing went right for ye. We go again in 5 weeks....

Hope that harnedy and cadogen are okay for the next day and the summer. 2 fine hurlers and no one would take any joy in them missing out.

Corcaigh Abu1

Figsy32 wrote: »

I wonder if an option may be O'Shea to midfield and Lehane to the wing and Walsh wearing 14 but playing the role Cronin did last year coming from deep for puckouts? I can't see the likes of Paudie or Luke getting much change from Waterford's system.

What ever about paudie, he could still bag a poachers goAl in pasked defence, but luke tends to run at defences as we seen today that is very hard against waterford system. I can't see them moving Walsh to ff although I see the logic, put I say they would stick Cronin in there if they gonna lump ball in a large 2013 AI replay.
That tactic is also hit and hope as your not garunteed to get a good return.

ShamoBuc

Mountainlad wrote: »

He played mifield in the u21 munster final defeat to Limerick in 2011. Did he score 0-8 points or something or am I imagining that? He was immense anyway, and while he may come good Senior Inter County hurling is not a light switch you can just turn on and off. He's missed vital years in his development and is trying to make up for lost ground and on the evidence of today, most of the Dublin game and the Tipp game last year he still has a lot of that ground yet to make up.

I can't fathom anyone treating today with nonchalance. I know ye will be better in June and at this point have as much chance as us but like if it were Kilkenny we were playing today they'd go all out. We've proven we're no mugs, but you were still playing Waterford, coming from 1B, not as heralded at Tipp. So what if ye are playing us in 6 weeks time, there's no "you can only win one so pick" about this.

If we were beaten as badly by ye today, I would be very worried.

Thought he moved to HF in that game. He was also much fitter then than he is now. He is not mobile enough for senior inter county hurling in my opinion and today proved that yet again HF or ff would be far more beneficial to both him and the team.

windy shepard henderson

Mountainlad wrote: »

Ye seemed to play a lot more short passing in the second which was more effective than what ye were doing before. Not convinced they had no interest in today though maybe intensity was lacking. That said, had they no interest the first day in the drawn championship game last year?

Ye've still problems at full back, I would be worried about Aidan Walsh's ability in a game played at pace and as said already Connors has the measure of Horgan when he stays in the full forward line so that would be a concern for ye too. Paudi O Sullivan, Lehane, Harnedy very dangerous players but this is not the first time Cork have failed to answer the questions asked of them in a big game.

Talk of all-irelands for this team is very premature at this stage. They are good but have plenty to prove. June will be a new game no doubt about, we're not gonna just go away though lads ye should know that from today.

very fair assessment , i would wonder how would cork cope with one or two of 3 players harnedy/lehane/horgan for the championship , i dont think cork were'nt up for it i just think it did mean alot more to waterford on the day , but it cant bee ignored it dose seem that there are a few too many passengers on this cork team at the moment walsh had an awful day at midfield not 100% sure the likes of bill cooper and rob o'shea are the answer either when it comes to building a consistent side Christopher joyce is a major loss at the back i think also

but the morel of the story is waterford could have been out of sight by half time had the not hit as many wides as they diid , it was no doubt an off day for cork but the worry would be if they had another off day come august it would appear at the moment they dont have the squad to prevent something like this again

zetecescort

Mountainlad wrote: »

He played mifield in the u21 munster final defeat to Limerick in 2011. Did he score 0-8 points or something or am I imagining that? He was immense anyway, and while he may come good Senior Inter County hurling is not a light switch you can just turn on and off. He's missed vital years in his development and is trying to make up for lost ground and on the evidence of today, most of the Dublin game and the Tipp game last year he still has a lot of that ground yet to make up.

I can't fathom anyone treating today with nonchalance. I know ye will be better in June and at this point have as much chance as us but like if it were Kilkenny we were playing today they'd go all out. We've proven we're no mugs, but you were still playing Waterford, coming from 1B, not as heralded at Tipp. So what if ye are playing us in 6 weeks time, there's no "you can only win one so pick" about this.

If we were beaten as badly by ye today, I would be very worried.

agree, ye hit 15 or 16 wides today and some aimless ball into the full forward line, plenty room for improvement.

Others may disagree but Cork should have went out to lay down a marker today imo, try get in the heads of some of the younger Waterford lads, instead we face them after getting a huge confidence boost

ShamoBuc

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

What ever about paudie, he could still bag a poachers goAl in pasked defence, but luke tends to run at defences as we seen today that is very hard against waterford system. I can't see them moving Walsh to ff although I see the logic, put I say they would stick Cronin in there if they gonna lump ball in a large 2013 AI replay.
That tactic is also hit and hope as your not garunteed to get a good return.

Very true that the tactic is not guaranteed but looking at the return from the full forward today it is clear we need more options and Cronin but preferably Walsh there could do a good job. Waterford outmuscled us and the physicality he would bring there might be an option. If he caught the first few balls Waterford would be unsettled - never a bad thing.
Haven't heard about Cadogan but he looked fair píssed off. Hopefully in a day or two both injuries will be minor.

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

agree, ye hit 15 or 16 wides today and some aimless ball into the full forward line, plenty room for improvement.

Others may disagree but Cork should have went out to lay down a marker today imo, try get in the heads of some of the younger Waterford lads, instead we face them after getting a huge confidence boost

Valid points about carrying less mental baggage with losses to waterford but look waterford hardly even greatest ever been real real threat to cork as you go back to old classic as good as they were cork when it counted won

We have beaten them last year championship year before or so the league last year and the year before no point going full tilt today

Cork tried to win at half pace and we didn't
Now nobody likes loosing final but points is league championship different kettle fish and horgan who imo needs a wake up call be fair probably won't be as bad again or kearney Walsh or lehane or harnedy who was great was even off and cork won't hit aimless ball down to waterford half backs

Let them belive their great
Just wait for the hype now it will get to them
Cork are in a beautiful position imo

youngbob

this s***e about keeping the powder dry til june is a joke. waterford beat us by using 3 forwards against 6 backs. ryan did a great job of making shanahan look like a good player. SON is not up to this level anymore & its showing with every game. lorcan is over rated. Kearney is a mighty piece of stuff to carry his sidekick for 2 years. if JBM had a greyhound with paudi's heart he'd need a bank bailout everytime he'd go to the track. landers hasn't brought any intensity to this squad & all i hear is come june we'll turn this around. going into championship with no FB half a midfield & a FF line who need the ball put into their hand. JBM could have put Cooper midfield against Kk 2wks ago to see how he'd do but instead used him centre forward knowing Harnedy would be there today. When is the time to think outside the box? 4yrs into his tenure & 1 munster to show for it. 17559 in Thurles today & for the management to keep their powder dry is laughable

thinkstoomuch1

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Very true that the tactic is not guaranteed but looking at the return from the full forward today it is clear we need more options and Cronin but preferably Walsh there could do a good job. Waterford outmuscled us and the physicality he would bring there might be an option. If he caught the first few balls Waterford would be unsettled - never a bad thing.
Haven't heard about Cadogan but he looked fair píssed off. Hopefully in a day or two both injuries will be minor.

Once we don't recall bud hartnett if cadogan is out were fine

Look lawton a man needed performance was absolutely on field play awful as a sub can't be carried any longer
Shane o keoffe john cronin must be called up

Anthony Spillane will be really contention start if cadogan is out imo

There's nothing better than see opponents talk themselves up with naivety and unfounded optimistic claims to new levels then in championship get a rude awakening

ShamoBuc

youngbob wrote: »

this s***e about keeping the powder dry til june is a joke. waterford beat us by using 3 forwards against 6 backs. ryan did a great job of making shanahan look like a good player. SON is not up to this level anymore & its showing with every game. lorcan is over rated. Kearney is a mighty piece of stuff to carry his sidekick for 2 years. if JBM had a greyhound with paudi's heart he'd need a bank bailout everytime he'd go to the track. landers hasn't brought any intensity to this squad & all i hear is come june we'll turn this around. going into championship with no FB half a midfield & a FF line who need the ball put into their hand. JBM could have put Cooper midfield against Kk 2wks ago to see how he'd do but instead used him centre forward knowing Harnedy would be there today. When is the time to think outside the box? 4yrs into his tenure & 1 munster to show for it. 17559 in Thurles today & for the management to keep their powder dry is laughable

So, you think JBM should go?

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

this s***e about keeping the powder dry til june is a joke. waterford beat us by using 3 forwards against 6 backs. ryan did a great job of making shanahan look like a good player. SON is not up to this level anymore & its showing with every game. lorcan is over rated. Kearney is a mighty piece of stuff to carry his sidekick for 2 years. if JBM had a greyhound with paudi's heart he'd need a bank bailout everytime he'd go to the track. landers hasn't brought any intensity to this squad & all i hear is come june we'll turn this around. going into championship with no FB half a midfield & a FF line who need the ball put into their hand. JBM could have put Cooper midfield against Kk 2wks ago to see how he'd do but instead used him centre forward knowing Harnedy would be there today. When is the time to think outside the box? 4yrs into his tenure & 1 munster to show for it. 17559 in Thurles today & for the management to keep their powder dry is laughable

You are way off

O Neill had a fine game
I'd like to hear your views now before the next game not just after it
At least when I critsom team I'll actually say them well before the game as it's great to sit on the fence
Full back was okay today
Half back line is no problem at all
Cooper is needed at half forward absolutely madness put him midfield imo

zetecescort

Cooper had one of his best games for Cork today I thought, battled hard. one of the few good points today

Corcaigh Abu1

on league sunday loughnane said it's hard to look passed Kk for the AI, but would put money on waterford after today's performance.

Corcaigh Abu1

zetecescort wrote: »

Cooper had one of his best games for Cork today I thought, battled hard. one of the few good points today

Yeah, I thought Cooper really showed well today

thinkstoomuch1

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

on league sunday loughnane said it's hard to look passed Kk for the AI, but would put money on waterford after today's performance.

Louganne noticed how he never mentioned clare

No way waterford will win this year all Ireland

Build up waterford as takes limelight off every one else imo
They still have a lot to do before there a top four team even in championship

Nonoperational

Am I alone in thinking SON had quite a poor game? Some turnovers early on and continued to make errors throughout. I must watch the game again but live I thought he was sloppy.

thinkstoomuch1

Nonoperational wrote: »

Am I alone in thinking SON had quite a poor game? Some turnovers early on and continued to make errors throughout. I must watch the game again but live I thought he was sloppy.

Was badly fault for the goal
Though he had he's man well held in the ist half and covered a lot
Harshly done by the ref for a pick of the ground

Nonoperational

Ref was very sticky.

Corcaigh Abu1

Nonoperational wrote: »

Am I alone in thinking SON had quite a poor game? Some turnovers early on and continued to make errors throughout. I must watch the game again but live I thought he was sloppy.

I think Shane struggles to lift the ball first time, especially when he's running onto it at pace. He also tends not to look up when clearing the ball, one aimless clearance when under no pressure gifted waterford a point. He was wrongly blown up twice today by Ryan though

Mountainlad

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Louganne noticed how he never mentioned clare

No way waterford will win this year all Ireland

Build up waterford as takes limelight off every one else imo
They still have a lot to do before there a top four team even in championship

TTM he said they would be looking at Waterford saying "we've won 4 u21 all irelands, these lads have won nothing at u21. We should be beating them or theres something wrong". Did you see his speech at the u21 all ireland medals function which made a few national newspapers? The man is from the cute hoor when it comes to Clare. And he hates Tipp and has given them plenty of motivation after today.

To be a top 4 team in the championship we have to make the top 4. It's the same for everybody else. We don't have an advantage in that regard (except maybe on Clare and Limerick as we only have to win 2 games compare to their 3) but nobody else has an advantage on us. I don't think we will the all ireland this year right now, but again in no way detracts from our prospects against Cork.

It's ludicrous to be talking about all-irelands really right now.

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Was badly fault for the goal
Though he had he's man well held in the ist half and covered a lot
Harshly done by the ref for a pick of the ground

how can you say SON had a good game. Waterford played one inside forward & only Stephie Mc played with any assurance in 1st half; the other 2 were ponderous & lethargic. driving the ball down to our HF line in a packed defence is lazy stone age hurling.I agree Cooper did well but by moving him to midfield might have brought their backs out & given room for our forwards. when you play against a packed defence what you need most is space & you don't find space by putting more bodies in there

thinkstoomuch1

youngbob wrote: »

how can you say SON had a good game. Waterford played one inside forward & only Stephie Mc played with any assurance in 1st half; the other 2 were ponderous & lethargic. driving the ball down to our HF line in a packed defence is lazy stone age hurling.I agree Cooper did well but by moving him to midfield might have brought their backs out & given room for our forwards. when you play against a packed defence what you need most is space & you don't find space by putting more bodies in there

Are you actually for real

Riddle me with your logic please

You lament cork can't win half forward ball and has be played in your words to their hand why oh why oh why do you take a ball winner out of half forward and to solve one so called problem you create another

Sorry now but one step forward ten steps back not good
Walsh will be fine the next game but if so yes not then you add coughlan or o shea there with a bit of bite but who will replace cooper at half forward

Please don't say lawton

youngbob

Nonoperational wrote: »

Ref was very sticky.

couldn't agree with you more. we expect players to play with pace & refs are making calls from long distances without help from linesmen. i was behind Cooper's shot & was clearly a point(not that it would have made a difference) but in a closer match it could have been a big call

sean mac

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

You are way off

O Neill had a fine game
I'd like to hear your views now before the next game not just after it
At least when I critsom team I'll actually say them well before the game as it's great to sit on the fence
Full back was okay today
Half back line is no problem at all
Cooper is needed at half forward absolutely madness put him midfield imo

TTM, your spot on most of the time and were dead right with the footballers, but if you think oneill had a fine game today and is in anyway back to where he needs to be I have to disagree. Hhis touch while never great ala Sherlock is way off, he pulls wildly now and his confidence is gone, that's JBMs fault for leaving him exposed on the square at 3 far too often when he istn related to a full back.
Of course cork will improve in 5 weeks, how could they not improve on that farce today? Thinking like some do that JBM and landers will somehow master Waterford having seen them is a maybe, we had a good look at clare a few years ago and failed to measure up,
The team have no tactic except to go out and hurl, its not enough, today was crying out for conor osullivan to be the spare defender, he is a great man to use the ball but unforgiveably managemet let him walk away while giving cahalane game after game and he istn good enough.
JBM has done a great job with this really average bunch of players, harnedy, lehane and horgan sometimes are class, a lot more are decent, but then the likes of walsh, cooper, Lawton, cahalane are not up to this level despite trying hard.
Very disappointing performance today from a team who have never won a national competition, a well prepared confident team should be able to perform twice in 2 months and back themselves, its clear this cork team is neither

youngbob

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Are you actually for real

Riddle me with your logic please

You lament cork can't win half forward ball and has be played in your words to their hand why oh why oh why do you take a ball winner out of half forward and to solve one so called problem you create another

Sorry now but one step forward ten steps back not good
Walsh will be fine the next game but if so yes not then you add coughlan or o shea there with a bit of bite but who will replace cooper at half forward

Please don't say lawton

what crystal ball have you? Walsh will be fine next game. Keep doing the same things & expecting different results is insanity.it's like letting hoggy anywhere conners game after game is silly beyond words but with your logic hoggy will get the better of him sometime and it will be the NEXT match