Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

muloc · 29-04-2015 10:11am

quick question please...can't find definitive answer.

how much of this is actually open for cycling?

Is there definite dates for more phases to open?

would like to base a weekend in waterford round it

thank you.

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2015 10:25am

Stokolan wrote: »

Not me. I use these No puncture tyres.

nice. is it just a standard tubeless system? have seen them in action. well impressed. expensive though

muloc wrote: »

quick question please...can't find definitive answer.

how much of this is actually open for cycling?

Is there definite dates for more phases to open?

would like to base a weekend in waterford round it

thank you.

i cant exactly answer your question but the parts i have been on are not complete yet. it is possible to cycle these on a mountain bike but i wouldnt recommend a road bike. i believe there are spots complete around the dungarvan area that could be used with a road bike. just be careful of crews working on the trail with heavy machinery. im hoping to walk the whole trail from waterford to dungarvan very soon so i ll report back my findings. if you flick through the thread you ll see the odd few pictures of the current state of sections and other bits of info

muloc · 29-04-2015 12:05pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

i cant exactly answer your question but the parts i have been on are not complete yet. it is possible to cycle these on a mountain bike but i wouldnt recommend a road bike. i believe there are spots complete around the dungarvan area that could be used with a road bike. just be careful of crews working on the trail with heavy machinery. im hoping to walk the whole trail from waterford to dungarvan very soon so i ll report back my findings. if you flick through the thread you ll see the odd few pictures of the current state of sections and other bits of info

ok thanks....maybe I'll just wait till it's fully opened

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2015 12:08pm

muloc wrote: »

ok thanks....maybe I'll just wait till it's fully opened

could be a while before its fully open but i ll know more after the walk

Stokolan · 29-04-2015 12:39pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

nice. is it just a standard tubeless system? have seen them in action. well impressed. expensive though

Yeah, They are a solid tyre. Not much heavier then a winter tyre, but they are slightly harder to push.

They are a bit expensive, but some road bike tyres could cost you €50 including tube. so for the sake of another €15 I don't have to worry about getting a puncture

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2015 12:41pm

Stokolan wrote: »

Yeah, They are a solid tyre. Not much heavier then a winter tyre, but they are slightly harder to push.

They are a bit expensive, but some road bike tyres could cost you €50 including tube. so for the sake of another €15 I don't have to worry about getting a puncture

nice. not too expensive i guess

deisegreenway · 29-04-2015 6:49pm

muloc wrote: »

quick question please...can't find definitive answer.

how much of this is actually open for cycling?

Is there definite dates for more phases to open?

would like to base a weekend in waterford round it

thank you.

Hi, here's the very latest:

Dungarvan to Ballinroad...4km...open
Ballinroad to Durrow...9km...in progress, expected to open in July or August 2015
Durrow to Kilmeaden...24km...expected to open in mid 2016 but to be confirmed
Kilmeaden to Waterford...10km...in progress, expected to open in November 2015

Hope this helps!

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2015 6:56pm

deisegreenway wrote: »

Hi, here's the very latest:

Dungarvan to Ballinroad...4km...open
Ballinroad to Durrow...9km...in progress, expected to open in July or August 2015
Durrow to Kilmeaden...24km...expected to open in mid 2016 but to be confirmed
Kilmeaden to Waterford...10km...in progress, expected to open in November 2015

Hope this helps!

most certainly does. thank you very much. is the whole track passable as it is by foot?

deisegreenway · 29-04-2015 7:00pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

most certainly does. thank you very much. is the whole track passable as it is by foot?

Most but not all. Some small legal matters still need to be sorted so it's best not to wander around too much just yet! Also, for now the track is severed in 3 places by the N25 so that makes an end-to-end walk impossible as well.

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2015 7:03pm

deisegreenway wrote: »

Most but not all. Some small legal matters still need to be sorted so it's best not to wander around too much just yet! Also, for now the track is severed in 3 places by the N25 so that makes an end-to-end walk impossible as well.

thank you very much. ah roads havent stopped me yet

JMcL · 29-04-2015 10:43pm

looksee wrote: »

Can we persuade cyclists that this is a recreational cycle way, rather than a sprint/ speed trial? If cyclists are doing a reasonable speed they will be able to share the area with walkers without problems, but if they feel they have to maintain speed then it will not be a suitable area to take children to walk. Not to mention the fact that you can't have cyclists using the same path and going in opposite directions if they feel they are entitled to keep up a maximum speed.

Like another poster I'm a member of a club in town, and again I wouldn't see the greenway being used by the clubs. I and everybody I've spoken to see it above all as a great facility to get out for a leisurely spin with the kids. I'm sure nonetheless there'll be the odd gob****e that fancies himself as the next Alberto Contador, but I hope this is far from the norm. I don't think it's a huge problem in Mayo, albeit the surface there isn't really suitable for speed.At the end of the day I'd prefer to see the greenway without restrictive measures like kissing gates and the like - not from the not being able to go fast perspective, but from the fact they're a PITA to negotiate with tagalongs, trailers etc

Wanderer78 · 29-04-2015 10:47pm

JMcL wrote: »

Like another poster I'm a member of a club in town, and again I wouldn't see the greenway being used by the clubs. I and everybody I've spoken to see it above all as a great facility to get out for a leisurely spin with the kids. I'm sure nonetheless there'll be the odd gob****e that fancies himself as the next Alberto Contador, but I hope this is far from the norm. I don't think it's a huge problem in Mayo, albeit the surface there isn't really suitable for speed.At the end of the day I'd prefer to see the greenway without restrictive measures like kissing gates and the like - not from the not being able to go fast perspective, but from the fact they're a PITA to negotiate with tagalongs, trailers etc

thats a good point. its good to hear the views from clubs and cyclists on this matter. this will be a great facility for the county. i greatly thank all those involved in making it happen

araic88 · 23-02-2016 12:05am

Just wondering how much is now open from the waterford side and where u can enter? Someone told me it's near carrickphierish and I think I've seen it but didn't know how to get to it!

Wanderer78 · 23-02-2016 12:17am

araic88 wrote: »

Just wondering how much is now open from the waterford side and where u can enter? Someone told me it's near carrickphierish and I think I've seen it but didn't know how to get to it!

you can enter at the start/end point near bilberry or near Mount Congreve Nurseries. im not sure how much is officially open but the whole trail is walkable but its not advisable as theres still many issues along the way including fencing of all different types and access issues. theres no issues from bilberry to suir valley railway in Kilmeaden, just be aware of workers and machinery along the way.

beazee · 23-02-2016 11:03am

You've tarmac as far as Carriganore fly-over on N25 (not passable).

Then gravel - I've only made it as far as Congreve Gardens (crossing the stream in the back) but it goes way further.
It wasn't worth damaging tires.

Fishy1 · 23-02-2016 7:44pm

I heard someone from the Council last week saying on the radio that the whole Greenway won't be completed until mid-August now.

Hopefully it won't be delayed beyond that, it would be nice to experience the whole thing in the height of summer . . . that's if we get a summer:)

Poor Uncle Tom · 23-02-2016 7:59pm

Using any part of the Greenway before it is officially opened, could mean there would be no Local Authority indemnification should any accidents or incidents occur.

deisegreenway · 23-02-2016 9:28pm

Fishy1 wrote: »

I heard someone from the Council last week saying on the radio that the whole Greenway won't be completed until mid-August now.

Hopefully it won't be delayed beyond that, it would be nice to experience the whole thing in the height of summer . . . that's if we get a summer:)

The fact that we've had storm after storm really hasn't helped. The tougher work will be the 3 N25 crossings and the council have to be sure the conditions are safe enough for people to work on a road that can't be closed.

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Using any part of the Greenway before it is officially opened, could mean there would be no Local Authority indemnification should any accidents or incidents occur.

Definitely a use-at-your-own-risk. Durrow to Dungarvan (approx 11km) will open within weeks, it's going to be a sensational section!

Johnboy1951 · 24-02-2016 2:26pm

Just read through the thread.
This project seems to be a great idea and will provide a wonderful amenity.

I saw no mention in the thread about provisions for correct access persons with disability ....... with and without wheelchairs ..... or any specific parking for loading/unloading required transport for such users of the amenity.

Neither did I see mentioned any references to the use of powered vehicles on the greenway. Such vehicles could include (semi-)electric bicycles, electric wheelchairs, scooters and so on, for those less-able for long walks.

What about gradients and flat 'staging' areas?

Does anyone have any information about such matters?

Thanks.

deisegreenway · 24-02-2016 2:49pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Just read through the thread.
This project seems to be a great idea and will provide a wonderful amenity.

I saw no mention in the thread about provisions for correct access persons with disability ....... with and without wheelchairs ..... or any specific parking for loading/unloading required transport for such users of the amenity.

Neither did I see mentioned any references to the use of powered vehicles on the greenway. Such vehicles could include (semi-)electric bicycles, electric wheelchairs, scooters and so on, for those less-able for long walks.

What about gradients and flat 'staging' areas?

Does anyone have any information about such matters?

Thanks.

Hi John,

There'll be numerous access points scattered throughout the 48km, many of these will have carparks with dedicated parking for the less mobile. The greenway has been designed for people of all abilities and as a campaign group, we have always stressed that it must be for everyone without exception.

Being a former railway, the gradient will be extremely close to flat for its entire length.

Electric and semi-electric vehicles...without being in a position of authority, I can't say for certain they'll be allowed but I'm guessing if they have a low top-speed (which makes them no different from a cyclist), it will be ok.

Hope that helps

beazee · 24-02-2016 3:26pm

I looked for any mention of "electric bikes" in relation to Great Western Greenway (42 kms).

And every bicycle rental centre in the vicinity have them in offer:

We hire bikes that are ideally suited to the surface of the greenway aswell as our top of the range premium Kalkhoff Electric Bikes

This time Dave organised 8 electric bikes for our group

We were driven to Mulrany and given lots of useful advice and instruction on how to use the electric bikes

Johnboy1951 · 24-02-2016 3:33pm

Thanks for the info.

Much appreciated

deisegreenway · 24-02-2016 7:49pm

Some amazing photos of the progress near Clonea, kindly posted on our Facebook page by Patrick Kenealy...enjoy

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royrogers · 24-02-2016 8:58pm

There starting to clear off the railway line from Ferrybank to New Ross again, have they plans to make a start on this section I wonder? hope so!!!

deisegreenway · 24-02-2016 9:57pm

royrogers wrote: »

There starting to clear off the railway line from Ferrybank to New Ross again, have they plans to make a start on this section I wonder? hope so!!!

This is great news, not aware if its gone to planning or not, they might be clearing it to put together a Part VIII planning notice.

vicwatson · 24-02-2016 10:03pm

I cannot wait for this to open. I'll be down in a flash

Wanderer78 · 24-02-2016 10:46pm

royrogers wrote: »

There starting to clear off the railway line from Ferrybank to New Ross again, have they plans to make a start on this section I wonder? hope so!!!

tried to walk it last year, failed but walked back to waterford via the country roads. lovely scenery. i think i ll be trying this again then. thanks for that.

vicwatson · 25-02-2016 4:36pm

Is there a dedicated website set up for this yet? (not facebook)

Wanderer78 · 25-02-2016 9:08pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Is there a dedicated website set up for this yet? (not facebook)

http://www.deisegreenway.com

in deisegreenway's signature there

Harry Palmr · 25-02-2016 10:38pm

When this is completed I'll have to give it go (have to buy a bike first though!)

Wanderer78 · 25-02-2016 11:13pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

When this is completed I'll have to give it go (have to buy a bike first though!)

tis a lovely walk. fantastic scenery along the way

deisegreenway · 27-02-2016 1:48am

vicwatson wrote: »

Is there a dedicated website set up for this yet? (not facebook)

The only website so far is our own campaign website www.deisegreenway.com

We're guessing (hoping) the council/tourist board will create a new website very soon, under the official name of Waterford Greenway, with the history, attractions, access points, facilities and temptations to be found along the route.

NLC1072 · 18-04-2016 11:46am

How much is now accessible from kilmeaden to bilberry?

Dum_Dum · 18-04-2016 11:50am

Is it possible to walk/cycle across any of the viaducts yet?

mooseknunkle · 18-04-2016 4:35pm

NLC1072 wrote: »

How much is now accessible from kilmeaden to bilberry?

I went for a walk on Saturday from Bilberry to near enough Mount Congrave it look finished to me i was also on the Suirvalley train a few weeks ago and they were doing some work but a lot of people were still able to walk it

Wanderer78 · 18-04-2016 5:00pm

NLC1072 wrote:

How much is now accessible from kilmeaden to bilberry?

The whole trail is accessible in my worldðŸ˜‰

STIG83 · 19-04-2016 1:01am

Underpass currently getting installed on the N25 at McGrath's Cross as I post.
Be interesting to see what will happen at Kildermody with a main water line passing underground.

Poor Uncle Tom · 19-04-2016 7:52am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The whole trail is accessible in my worldðŸ˜‰

Always knew you lived in a world of your own.......:D

Max Powers · 19-04-2016 8:13am

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Always knew you lived in a world of your own.......:D

Hearing amazing reviews of the walk, views etc.

Silverado · 19-04-2016 9:10am

Now that the Greenway is nearing completion perhaps deisegreenway would like to offer some relevant information on a few queries.

1. Is there a decision yet on the separation line for cyclists and walkers. I raised this point with you two years ago. It is commonly used in Germany.

2. Will there be speed limit for cyclists? A 10km limit is now becoming common around Europe. Recently a walker was killed by a cyclist on a multi-use pathway in southern Spain where there was no limit.

3. Will there be indemnity for this type of accident by the Council?

4. Will the August schedule for the final section be reached?

5. Where the Greenway meets the N25 will there be safe crossing provisions for users?

Wanderer78 · 19-04-2016 9:34am

Max Powers wrote:

Hearing amazing reviews of the walk, views etc.

Fantastic views along the way. I'd say I 'll walk it again soon, just to see progress. They're working at an astonishing rate

OldBean · 19-04-2016 1:03pm

Silverado wrote: »

2. Will there be speed limit for cyclists? A 10km limit is now becoming common around Europe. Recently a walker was killed by a cyclist on a multi-use pathway in southern Spain where there was no limit.

Well that's a lot of scaremongering.

10kp/h is ferociously slow on a bicycle. Average low speed on a bike would be 16kp/h. Normal speed coming in around 23kp/h.

Most greenways in Europe and the rest of the world don't operate a 10km speed limit. Or none of them would be used.

beazee · 19-04-2016 1:44pm

This Thursday (21st), 7:30pm, Ramada Hotel

WCCC invites interested parties to a meeting re: Waterford Greenway (or whathever the name is).

Chiparus · 19-04-2016 10:14pm

OldBean wrote: »

Well that's a lot of scaremongering.

10kp/h is ferociously slow on a bicycle. Average low speed on a bike would be 16kp/h. Normal speed coming in around 23kp/h.

Most greenways in Europe and the rest of the world don't operate a 10km speed limit. Or none of them would be used.

10 kmph? What are they going to have speed traps?

Vast majority using this will be cyclists, but I doubt this would be of interest to the lycra brigade as it is too narrow and the surface will be a cinder path type.

Aquos76 · 19-04-2016 10:27pm

Well I'm a Lycra type cyclists and I'm heading out on it for a look in the morning, I walked out 5Km from bilberry this evening and that surface is far superior than most of the roads we normally cycle on

, but I agree that once fully opened it will be used mainly by leisure cyclists and families. There's no way that cyclists going in excess of 20kmph and pedestrians with kids on bikes should be expected to share the pathway, it would be far to dangerous.

NLC1072 · 20-04-2016 11:04am

I've started a group on Facebook called "Waterford Greenway casual cycle group" if that helps anybody

Aquos76 · 20-04-2016 11:47am

Well I cycled out there again this morning and sadly the good surface only lasts up beyond the turnoff for Harvey Normans and after that it's just chippings in places and then stone. I managed to go beyond Mount Congreve and found a gate that took me off and back on to a road just before the Garda station I think in Kilmeadon. It's certainly not ready for walkers or cyclists of any form just yet. It's a shame that it won't have a surface like what's on bilberry all the way, even for walkers, that chippings surface is very dusty and will be hard to maintain.

Johnboy1951 · 20-04-2016 12:11pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

Well I cycled out there again this morning and sadly the good surface only lasts up beyond the turnoff for Harvey Normans and after that it's just chippings in places and then stone. I managed to go beyond Mount Congreve and found a gate that took me off and back on to a road just before the Garda station I think in Kilmeadon. It's certainly not ready for walkers or cyclists of any form just yet. It's a shame that it won't have a surface like what's on bilberry all the way, even for walkers, that chippings surface is very dusty and will be hard to maintain.

Why do you think it won't when completed?

my3cents · 20-04-2016 12:35pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Why do you think it won't when completed?

Talking to some of the guys that are doing the work thats what they say.

Also fairly obvious that a vast amount of money has been spent on the areas where the farmers objected so not enough left for a full tarmac job.

I also heard from some people closely associated with the project that the width of the tarmac has been reduced to save money.

Aquos76 · 20-04-2016 12:45pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Why do you think it won't when completed?

It was stated on their FB page a few weeks ago that it would not all be completed with a Tarmac finish, there would be sections that would only have a chippings finish. I well aware that the sections I was on this morning are no where near finished yet and I'm sure there will be a vast improvement on the surface that's currently there. All I'm saying thou is people will be disappointed if they are expecting a full Tarmac surface along the whole route.

Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

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