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Jamelia: 'High street shops shouldn't sell plus size clothing'

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  • #272
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    nokia69 wrote: »
    in the quote below

    jack is well known is these parts for being a feminist

    I'm not judging Jack based on what he is known as, I am only judging on the posts in front of me on the thread, and I honestly have no idea how that is to be interpreted as meaning that fat is a feminist issue. Honestly no clue how that conclusion is reached from those words typed. I see many possibilities on what the words could mean, but you'll probably conclude them whatever way anyway, despite them not saying what you've said they say, and keep on twisting people's words.

    Jack may or may not have been saying that fat was a feminist issue - only he can say that - but the twisting of words and posts gets a little grating for me tbh.


  • #273
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    You just seem to have an issue with women, fat or otherwise tbh

    the only thing I got a lot of issues of is what car magazine


  • #274
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    nokia69 wrote: »
    the only thing I got a lot of issues of is what car magazine

    Jenny had said though that to her you seemed to have 'an issue with...' but you're responding confirming what it is you have ' a lot of issues with...'

    Obviously two different things really.


  • #275
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    whatismyname wrote: »
    Jenny had said you seemed to have 'an issue with...' but you're responding confirming what it is you have ' a lot of issues with...'

    Obviously two different things really.

    it went way over your head

    but don't worry someone out there got it


  • #276
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    nokia69 wrote: »
    the only thing I got a lot of issues of is what car magazine

    Based on your contributions to this thread, you have issues with other people's body issues to the extent you categorise people on the street.


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  • #277
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    Every time I see "ED" I think "Erectile Dysfunction" :eek:


  • #278
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    nokia69 wrote: »
    it went way over your head

    but don't worry someone out there got it

    Oh I got the mags joke. More than got it. That's the point. If you're not able to have a reasonable discussion though, take care.


  • #279
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    nokia69 wrote: »
    the only thing I got a lot of issues of is what car magazine

    I believe you can put magazines in the recycling bin. You may want to consider it; it clears up a lot of space when you clear out the magazines.


  • #280
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Calina wrote: »
    I believe you can put magazines in the recycling bin. You may want to consider it; it clears up a lot of space when you clear out the magazines.

    I store my magazines so that when the high street stops selling clothes to fit my size 14 ass, I can sew the pages together to make a lovely muu muu


  • #281
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Jenny Thalia wrote: »
    I store my magazines so that when the high street stops selling clothes to fit my size 14 ass, I can sew the pages together to make a lovely muu muu

    Oh I like that idea. Might steal that one. I don't know if I'll have enough to cover me, but what's a bit of flab between friends, and at least we're back on topic :D


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  • #282
    Irish Guitarist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Anytime she opens her mouth she says something moronic. Why anyone cares about the opinions of airheads is beyond me.


  • #283
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Calina wrote: »
    Based on your contributions to this thread, you have issues with other people's body issues to the extent you categorise people on the street.

    some one make the claim that we are surrounded by underweight people, someone else claimed that only 4% of people have a weight problem

    all I said was thats not what I see as I go about my day

    I actually don't care how other people look, but I won't lie about it or pretend that its not a growing problem


  • #284
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Chloris wrote: »
    Can I just interject and say in a supposedly educated society where there is no scarcity of food, for a woman over five foot to weigh under ten stone is nonsense.

    Huh?


  • #285
    Scarinae
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Scarinae


    PressRun wrote: »
    Regarding the 'fat shaming' stuff, when has humiliating people with these kinds of issues ever worked? People who are overweight due to lifestyle tend to be emotional eaters. Making them feel even more awful than they already do because they're overweight is more than likely just going to make them want to eat more.

    Indeed - research published last year by University College London/Cancer Research UK found that fat shaming doesn't help people lose weight and actually has the opposite effect
    “There is no justification for discriminating against people because of their weight,” says lead author Dr Sarah Jackson (UCL Epidemiology & Public Health). “Our results show that weight discrimination does not encourage weight loss, and suggest that it may even exacerbate weight gain.

    “Previous studies have found that people who experience discrimination report comfort eating. Stress responses to discrimination can increase appetite, particularly for unhealthy, energy-dense food. Weight discrimination has also been shown to make people feel less confident about taking part in physical activity, so they tend to avoid it.”


  • #286
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    nokia69 wrote: »
    but there is no way in hell that the number of underweight people is anywhere near as high as the number of obese people

    I have no idea how you got that people were saying that. :confused: People were just refuting your comment that the amount of underweight people in Ireland is "almost zero", not saying there are as many underweight people as obese people.

    And you do know what an exponential increase is, right?


  • #287
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Huh?

    Yep, at 5ft and 10 stone you would have a BMI of 27.3- in other words, overweight.


  • #288
    osarusan
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    Every time I see "ED" I think "Erectile Dysfunction" :eek:

    And in that case, the problem is that it is not growing exponentially.:eek:


  • #289
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    I have no idea how you got that people were saying that. :confused: People were just refuting your comment that the amount of underweight people in Ireland is "almost zero", not saying there are as many underweight people as obese people.

    And you do know what an exponential increase is, right?

    one eyed jack has claimed that we are surrounded by under weight adults, and that their number is growing at an exponential rate year on year

    there are very few underweight people in ireland

    as a % it is close to 0


  • #290
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    nokia69 wrote: »
    one eyed jack has claimed that we are surrounded by under weight adults, and that their number is growing at an exponential rate year on year

    there are very few underweight people in ireland

    as a % it is close to 0

    You were I believe the first person on-thread to mention the word exponential, in relation to people being obese.

    Have you got any evidence for the bolded bit, because obviously, your anecdotes don't really cut it?


  • #291
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    nokia69 wrote: »
    so is the number of people with ED increasing at an exponential rate or the number of underweight people

    because your original claim was that the number of underweight people was increasing at an exponential rate

    you are now moving the goal posts


    Mind you don't strain your back putting those goalposts back where you got them -

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Ehh, not sure if you're underplaying there, but there are a frightening number of underweight adults in just Ireland alone, and what's becoming more obvious if you actually look at the statistics is that the number of men with ED are increasing at an exponential rate year on year as opposed to the rate of ED in women which is a more gradual increase, but at the same time, still increasing.

    nokia69 wrote: »
    oh so now fat is a feminist issue


    ... Annnd, the goalposts just fell over :pac:

    BTW the term love handles is used for both men and women


    Is it?

    I've only heard women describe my, ahem, "middle-aged spread" as love handles? :D

    I think they were being kind, but hey, I'm not going to argue :P

    but on the other side only real women have curves LOL


    What other side? I've always said that "real women" trope was a crock. I gave my opinion on that Megan Trainor song about "All about that bass" -

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I don't think there's anything wrong with it if that's all the song was attempting to do, but it's not, it's most basic message is that "boys don't want slim women, boys want girls that have all the right curves in all the right places".

    That's not celebrating anything, that's just sneering, which, ironically enough - nobody likes.


    Meghan Trainor - All About That Bass (It's in tLL, but don't let that put you off ;) )

    nokia69 wrote: »
    in the quote below

    jack is well known is these parts for being a feminist


    I wasn't aware I was well known for anything tbh, I'll try not to get a swelled head about it though :D

    As for well known for being a feminist? If by feminist you mean "a person who disagrees with me", then ok, I'm a feminist. If you mean that I'm a feminist because... actually I can't think of any other reason why you'd suggest I was ever, or could ever be, described as a feminist. I love women far too much to ever identify as a feminist tbh.

    FWIW though, here's my opinion on the subject of one of those HAES advocates who identifies as a feminist -

    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I read the article, I really wish I hadn't wasted my time tbh. There was no science in there, merely opinion based on twisting of statistics. I almost stopped reading when I got to this bit -

    "Thin privilege is rampant"

    I should have stopped when I got to this bit -

    "a culturally constructed myth that props up the diet industry, patriarchy and oppressive beauty standards"

    Anything to justify her own stupidity really - "I'm not the one with the problem, everyone else is the problem". She doesn't see that it's just she who just has a problem with everyone else. Thankfully, there's not enough people in society who will take her nonsense seriously.


    Great news for us overweight folks!

    Thankfully, I know not all women who identify as feminists are actually that stupid. That lady just happens to identify as a feminist. I also know people who are overweight aren't that stupid. Just that one lady, who doesn't speak for anyone but herself.

    Most normal people aren't so insecure in themselves that they need to identify with all sorts of social justice labels and warble on about "acceptance" or claiming that their issues with themselves should be everyone else's problem. Someone disagrees with you nokia doesn't mean that they're actually wrong. If you stopped trying to apply silly labels to people who disagree with you, you might see that most people actually don't give a shít about labels the same way you do. I certainly don't - never looked at the label on a girl's knickers before I hopped into bed with her either! :D



    TMI? :o

    Perhaps... :pac:


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  • #292
    Frito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    kylith wrote: »
    All I can say is that when you manage to kick the choccies and stay off for a good while you realise how unbearably sweet it is and it actually (I found) gets hard to eat.

    I hate nightmares, luckily I wake up before it gets to that part :D


  • #293
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    nokia69 wrote: »
    one eyed jack has claimed that we are surrounded by under weight adults, and that their number is growing at an exponential rate year on year

    there are very few underweight people in ireland

    as a % it is close to 0

    You do know that something being close to zero is very different from being close to 0% right?

    Do you know there's a difference or did you just fancy changing what you were saying?

    And where is it you get your statistics from? Last I heard in Europe as a whole it was about 2 per cent ( so obv much more than 'close to zero') a few years back but couldn't find anything specific for Ireland so would love more info on the statistics you provide so I can know what I'm talking about too.


  • #294
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Society needs fatties, when the Zombie apocalypse hits I want to know there are a significant percentage of the polulation I can out run... So chow down that doughnut wash it down with 2 litres of Coca Cola! Yum yum get her done!


  • #295
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,291 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    So much chatter about being fat these days. How about letting people live their lives?
    If somebody likes eating 10 cheese burgers a day well then who cares. Their body.


  • #296
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Has she new "music" coming out hence her outspoken Katie Hopkins type rant


  • #297
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    So much chatter about being fat these days. How about letting people live their lives?
    If somebody likes eating 10 cheese burgers a day well then who cares. Their body.

    Do you pay tax?
    Fat people increase the risk of major and minor health issues.
    There is a cost to this medical care is not free and there is only so much of it to go round... It can and does effect everyone on some level.


  • #298
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    whatismyname wrote: »
    Yep, I think what often happens though is that many shops sell out of bigger sizes quicker cos there's more bigger people, so it feels like they don't stock bigger sizes. Many high street stores as a size 16 to 18 I struggle to find bigger sizes in them, but they are definitely there.

    Most often, they're there in the clothes that I don't want, but have sold out quicker in the lovely clothes that I do want - me having fab taste obviously ;)

    I haven't shopped in Oasis in years, but I remember getting a fab work suit in it, and I'm certain I was size 14 at the time.

    I always thought they didn't order in as many of the size 16-18 clothes so maybe that's why they sell out quicker?

    From my own anecdotal shopping evidence, the size 8-10 things I'm looking for are often gone but there is usually an abundance of 12 and 14. If the average size really is 14 then I suppose it make sense to stock more of these.


  • #299
    denhaagenite
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I always thought they didn't order in as many of the size 16-18 clothes so maybe that's why they sell out quicker?

    From my own anecdotal shopping evidence, the size 8-10 things I'm looking for are often gone but there is usually an abundance of 12 and 14. If the average size really is 14 then I suppose it make sense to stock more of these.

    My experience is the opposite, I always find loads of 8 - 10, especially in the sales.


  • #300
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I always thought they didn't order in as many of the size 16-18 clothes so maybe that's why they sell out quicker?

    From my own anecdotal shopping evidence, the size 8-10 things I'm looking for are often gone but there is usually an abundance of 12 and 14. If the average size really is 14 then I suppose it make sense to stock more of these.

    The average size seems to currently be evidenced as 16 (https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/20/size-12-britains-ideal-dress-size/) but even if it had been 14, that would mean it would probably make sense to stock as much 16 as 12s.


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  • #301
    whatismyname
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    denhaagenite wrote: »
    My experience is the opposite, I always find loads of 8 - 10, especially in the sales.

    Yep, in the sales, particularly in Primark where I shop a lot, It seems to only really have 8s, 10s, and ocassionally 20s left on the sale rails for me.

    Probably depends where you shop obviously, as some shops may have different stock management systems etc, but yep always seems to be either end of the scale that seems to be left for me usually.


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