Cork GAA Discussion Thread

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Colm Spillane came on as a sub last night for U.C.C. ....John Cronin scored 4 points for C.I.T.....

Cronin has been doing this consistently and was immense v Laois ist challenge yet still over looked
It's imo ridiculous nor getting game time when likes lawton gets game time, Mccarthy got chances, cian Mccarthy too many etc


Dayne lee and luke meade terrific prospects but giving them game time now in challenge matches imo no benefit this summer cork crying out for cronin
Spillane apparently played well
I wasn't at it but worry is injury
He started own rehabilitation programme after Xmas himself ger himself right but worry is will he be free of injury
I'd love him start v KK Saturday but may be early for him


Wasn't at last night game but told he played well and three goals went in were in before he came on sub and held kellher well
Alan deenhy is fine player probably suites more center back got taken for three goals by dj foran who some player for Waterford so imo rules out any chance deenhy had be called up cork

Cork imo to beat Waterford simply they are not beating individual who imo cork have better more developed at this time but cork are out to beat a system imo

If anyone wants to know the difference I suggest a rewatch of cork donegal football 2012 all Ireland Semi final where man for man cork overall better footballers but lost due to the inability to break down a system that suffocated cork but made donegal players far better than their natural talents in some players by developing a system that played to players strenght and negated their weakness

Jbm hates the sweeper but thankful he has finally come to realise that after clare last year cork had to adjust to one and imo v wexford cotk played deeper and at least cork have adapted but simple have to play a sweeper v Waterford in championship or have no doubt if not they will loose

Cork imo a way have to adopt the cody KK mantra win every game for the league final but imo KK only team able beat a team twice in three weeks so cork improving have to yes try win league but I'd be trying a few things put and wouldn't show my full hand

Cork the last time they won league was 98 v Waterford under jbm with the rock as captain and brilliant goal that day from cork won the game but then in munster cork lost after hammered clare in league semi final clare beat cork in the munster championship

My team for the league game

Nash
O Neill
Cahalane has struggled so I'd start Ellis full back as cork have no other options
If cahalane was fully fit he imo would be fine but cork need cover also if he's injured

Burke needs a game in he's best position as he may be needed in the championship
Mcdonnell will start in may but I'd rest him here

Half back line is the huge worry imo in actual cover in. Brian sullivan and kearney imo not up senior in defence
There fine club players and great ambassador for club but this is seniors hurling intercounty imo

I'd start Daniel kearney half back who superb hurlers with lorcan and morphy at half backs

Midfield would be aidan Walsh and rob o shea
O shea had a superb league and in cork two awful defeats due to poor management at under twenty one to tipperary and clare on beaten teams he stood out
Sign of a great player to perform on beaten teams

Against Dublin in loose game showed he can score but also crucially in a war of attrition he was very good yesterday and he can score from long distance as is ace free taker with carriglaine and he's touch is top class in tight rucks which will be in a swarmed midfield v Waterford
Aidan Walsh would be playing deeper from midfield so he will cover the aera between half back and midfield
Cooper would be imo playing midfield despite being picked at half forward but filling the gaps that Walsh leaves
Cooper imo will get better for cork and imo under rated cork in some people in imo he never will be natural free scorer but work and dirty ball he wins is vital to cork and he pass made goal for pebbles
He striking speed has to improve but imo more games it will

Half forward line
Lehane
Harnedy
Cooper who plays deep
Lehane and harnedy can score long distance as can Walsh and o shea and cormac Murphy from half back and imo that's vital beat a blanket just like in football
John cronin s shooting can at times be erratic but hes well able score long also and with games would improve end and always believed another rough diamond like harnedy crying out for more developments at senior
He if developed imo could be ideal for cork
Never leaves field with out giving he's all and can play midfield and half forward and is fast and mobile but has a want and desire hunger for work with and without the ball second to none




Full forward line
Cadogan we know how good he is and imo save him for May
Paudie is the same

So I'd tell moylan and luke that either one of them would start but it's last chance saloon really in panel will be cut for championship soon so no excuse they have to perform as there's long enough around the panel you know the drill and in KK would be expected to step up to the mark cork is no different

John cronin has to get games time and I'd start him this Friday v KK challenge match and league game but name him at fifteen but I'd play him as half forward to fill copper place when copper goes to midfield

Subs
Collins
I'd have Stephen Murphy here
Were in big trouble with cover in defence
Aidan Ryan
Jamie nagle I'd call up playing as half forward with midelton now but imo a good half back or else mick Walsh who again never got real chance under jbm before but was bar the final brilliant cork intermediate team last year and played senior before and done well
Very aggressive good ball winners deserves chance half back

Andy Walsh
Jamie coughlan
Pa cronin
Spillane
And either luke or moylan

That panel imo should have enough to beat Waterford in the right system in the league whole holding off fully team for may
Waterford have be fair water tight defence goal wise in even allowing for poor division two imo still were impressive only conceding three goals and total five in seven games and while tipp got two goals the system tightened up then
Cork imo have showed better this year scoring goals on previous years in scoring ten goals in seven games but imo hsve to out point Waterford in patient and composure go for points in this game
Pick off the points and then when a lead appears the key is imo to have the lead in the second half by five points or so and then force Waterford to be more open then goal chances will arrive
Waterford scoring in league against big teams is quite poor from play in against Galway and tipp and limerick only got in no particular order around approximately one eight, eight and eleven point from play
Landers done good working basics with cork since he joined but now main key focus imo for Waterford is discipline in limit the fouls as I don't think Waterford hsve real scoring power go toe toe with teams
Yes frees will be conceded but keep them low as o mahonry will score if given the chance
What's impressive for cork is only six goal conceded in seven games but should not cloud the fact tipp and Dublin got two each game and KK only brilliant Nash with weak full forward line got one could had three If cork had a full back with a deeper sweeper system where cork could still mix freestyle hurling jbm craves imo with stronger panel would be serious team
All these are in cork control and easily fixable bar full back that outside cork control in injury here imo hindered cork badly



KK challenge game this week provides cork rare opportunity to actually learn from a challenge with no false dawn in KK only team Ireland within hunger desire win every games

Pointless cork playing senior starters here but you can't play bunch novices either so balance is key imo

Collins
Kearney I dont think he up to its but give him the game as limerick will expose weak areas of game and better here than may

I'd Probably have called up Alan deenhy from last year intermediate winning team but three goals conceded against foran last night rules him out now for full back
Gunning would imo be called upon but he's is doing the leaving
Colm Barry imo who is better half back than full back is injured
Cork don't have many option
Jack sheehan who I said should got call lastly year Is unavailable now
Colm Spillane is only back from injury
As much I'd love him to start I'd be afraid Spillane If came back now it be too soon for inter county after injury and as he's young maybes if eased in to it he can finally get injury free and nail wn cork place as he's terrific player
Mcdonnell would be the other corner back

Half back line
Aidan Walsh needs another game here as may be needed in championship here so play him here
Aidan Ryan done all that was asked v Laois
It's only club yea in club league but playing still out skin midelton at present at half back since Wallis moved him back

Murphy if fit will start in may and more game's he gets the better
He's brilliant but imo he has more in him , he will be unreal imo

Andy Walsh
Lawton give him the game v KK a full game and tell him unless he gives full seventy minutes working rate physical aggression and chips in. With a score or two he will be dropped from the panel

This is not harsh but look he's been around cork senior panel for nearly four years or so, no excuse if he doesn't perform
No room for sentiment when you want to win an all Ireland
Before any one says I'm harsh, Does cody do subject Nonsense
NO No NO AND HE NEVER WILL
I have nothing against this lad, my only point is there like other hurlers cork better players done it college, fitzgibnn under age cork and club crying out for chance with cork but aren't getting even game yet some around cork panel for long times get way too many games yet haven't nailed down a place
Imo that's not fair to better players
I'm huge fan moylan for cork also but he's been around a while also so time to step up in when he gets game needs performance
If not drop them from panel as cork need panel that if sub brought in won't weaken team but like KK actually strengthen it
Some players just on panel you can give time but lads that been around while don't deserve more time imo
Cody would not give some time after time with KK





Coughlan imo never got a sustained run under jbm in he's best position half forward or midfield but was brilliant v Waterford in 2012 with stunning goals and v KK I'm championship long range scores
Deserves chance half forward
John cronin has start more games the better
Shane o keoffe a very good ball winner for cork under twenty one last year I'd play him

Anthony Spillane need games and got stuck in when came on a sub
One league game for cotk this year shooting was off on the day but won lot ball, very young and deserves more chances
Could be real player for cork

Pa Cronin if fit needs game time
I think he still has something to offer on the panel
Proven big game player and always puts team first

Luke or Paudie or moylan or cadogan give any them a half each if needed
Dayne lee and luke meade have done all that's was asked all year when they got senior games in challenge and are future starters in time but I wouldn't play them this game as realistically they are not going to be ready for championship panel this year so much better play likes coughlan Spillane cronin etc who could make a serious contribution from the subs bench in championship

This challenge v KK, winning is not important in its more about giving the likes of , Spillane, Andy Walsh, John cronin , coughlan,aidan Ryan essential valuable game times
These next two games coming up if cork are smart and wise enough could actually learn so much before the Waterford game in the championship in may and Could be helpful to us in certain positions that imo could well if sorted define corks season

A team won't win an all Ireland
A panel will

Brian o driscoll out for Sunday with hamstring
Great player
He's played load games the past two weeks, huge work load for under twenty one, county , club etc so always risk got injured imo
As for puck outs think cork won them overall and while Nash hit few over line generally was good with harnedy and o shea doing well and kearney winning few

Course aidan Walsh midfield have another bonus and adding likes john cronin who imperious with high ball would be beneficial for cork in this regard

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/lehane-work-rate-and-goals-are-key/


Great hear lehane speak of wanting be ruthless like kilkenny
How many times have I advocated this cork must demand more and be ruthless
That's exactly mentality cork gaa needs and also cork football could badly do with such a ruthless attuide

Did you see the Luke O'Farrell interview on Seo Spoirt last week?

It ties in with what you say about Lehane as Luke said he was the worst loser as in he takes losing very badly which is what we want from all players!!

Cork senior football management has announced that Alan O'Connor, St. Colum's, will rejoin the Cork senior football panel next week after Sunday's Allianz Football League final. Confirming the announcement, manager Brian Cuthbert welcomed the development. The St. Colum’s clubman originally made his senior debut in 2008 and went on to win three Munster and an All Ireland Senior Football Championship title in 2010.

[quote="rebelomar;95189000e should know a lot more after Sun where this team is currently at.

Alan O C being drafted back in at least shows the management are aware of some areas of weakness.

Although I'm not Alan's biggest fan as a player he could do a job last 15/20 mins winning kick outs, improving tackle count.

Didn't have the pace for Croke Park two seasons ago so I think starting in Champ is out of question.[/quote]
Imo it doesn't surprise me and is a complete step backwards in he was destroyed v Dublin two years ago at midfield

He was a brilliant player at he's best but look that time is gone
Against kerry two years ago he's performance was blown up when kerry took foot off gas he was brilliant
I said it then regular posters will remember it he would not last in Dublin
He didn't


Now yes in a blanket defence he may survive however two years out and lo league behind him I doubt he can do it


Just look at route we have taken in midfield problems it's imo been a joke from day one

Gould gets game after game
Dinnen gets no chance
Deane no real chance and then injured and I believe he's back and played full forward bantry recently if true m
Now it imo yes too soon back after injury play for cork but imo same risk as o Connor
Laoire still ignored
Sean kiely ignored
Cussen recall then dropped
Sullivan too many games then dropped up to championship for may so much he walked
Jamie sullivan midfield and cadogan and Collins
This management imo is just going from options to options if a don't work we try b then c then d with out any imo clue how solve midfield

O Connor at best temporary solution to long term problems and cork have better options and why oh why is called up now with out any league behind him
This imo is like recall niall moran for limerick in i hope it work but imo won't

This doesn't surprise me this management and another classic case of expect the unexpected and go against total logic
Just my opinion of course
Just be crystal clear I'm huge fan Alan o Connor in the past but now imo past he best and even Donaghey kerry is faster than him and o Connor imo not best move for cork
To say management are aware of the midfield, well be honest and without sounding blunt its about time now let's call a spade a spade this has been the issue for last year and a half
However what's there been remarkable consistently wise imo is picking illogical options
Unbelievable imo
So we bring on Alan for twenty minutes what do we do for fifty
And we bring on Alan, kerry after Buckley moran dominate can still bring on maher or Walsh if needed
Kerry must be smiling

Fair play to Alan O Connor to have the balls to come back ....he was also asked last year but declined ....Ian Maguires injury is a huge concern please god he will be back ...I cant understand why Sean Kiely is not giving a chance ...surely he could benefit and come on lot if he was on the panel....I agree Alan had no pace in Croke Park in 2013 against Dublin when he was 28 ...but hopefully hes refreshed hes the kind of player that the break might have done him the world of good ....I would worry about his pace ...but hopefully he will be an addition....

Cork v Kilkenny Senior Hurling Challenge Saturday 25th April at 7pm. Cork senior hurlers will play Kilkenny in a challenge game in Páirc Uí Rinn in aid of the 'Friends of Jamie Wall' fund. This is an all ticket promotion. 
The Cork Senior Hurling team v Kilkenny will line out as follows:1.   Anthony Nash (Kanturk)2.   Shane O’Neill (Bishopstown)3.   Aiden Ryan (Midleton)4.   William Kearney

(Midleton)5.   Brian O’Sullivan (Fermoy)6.   Mark Ellis (Millstreet)7.  Killian Burke (Midleton)8.   Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)9.   Andy Walsh (Killeagh)10. Patrick Cronin

(Bishopstown)11. Bill Cooper (Youghal)12. Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)13. Jamie Coughlan (Newtownshandrum)14. Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)15. Stephen Moylan

(Douglas)
Subs:16. Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)17. Damien Cahalane (St. Finbarrs)18. Stephen

McDonnell (Glen Rovers)19. Lorcáin MacLoughlin (Kanturk)20. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)21. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)22. Conor Lehane (Midleton)23. Seamus Harnedy (St.




Ita's)24. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)25. Anthony Spillane (Castlelyons)26. Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)27. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)28. Rob O’Shea (Carrigaline)

pluszap wrote: »

According to echo website william egan is joining hurling panel

That's great news and hopefully cork will play if needed play him at five rather than seven much better suited imo at five
It's shockingly absolutely shockingly unless injured john cronin can't get panel place here
If injured fair enough
If not Christ above what does he have to do to get game time

Happy with team big game now for lawton Mccarthy moylan
No excuse must be told last chance saloon performances required or thanks but dropped from the panel

Aidan Ryan interesting choice full back I'm not sure is he one but I applauded he gets chance as cork no other options

Playing brilliant at moment through Wallis
Good under high ball and strong physical wise good test

Will they ever ever ever actually learn regards coughlan
He hates corner forward
If he's allowed roam fine but not corner forward
A switch with cronin be ideal
I think Spillane should be starting in Mccarthy has had more game time and nor performance wise good and Spillane good last Sunday
Every fringe player has be told performance tommorrow a must if not not in championship panel
Got to be ruthless

Hurleratheart wrote: »

good to see lads gettng chance to step up and fight for a place

id like to see Moylan do well hopefully hell take his chance

plenty of back up on bench to

Worry is some get chance after chance after chance and others getting little chance

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jamie-wall-i-havent-given-up-on-the-dream-which-is-to-get-out-of-the-wheelchair-31161818.html

Brilliant brilliant young inspiration wall is
I hope he gets a massive crowd this Saturday
He was outstanding servant to cork in football and hurling and imo huge potential as half back in football

I think there obviously a great rival but I always have huge respect for cody and KK in fairness absolutely brilliant to wall and no problem playing cork and there bringing a strong team and guaranteed it won't be a walk in the park
They were great support wall last year and even now
See you can be ruthless on the field and the ultimate winner and a role model of it and a gentleman also off it and KK do that
Apparently there's a big interview with wall in the cork paper tommorrow
Fair play he fully deserves the profile
What a man what an inspirational character

case885 wrote: »

I presume a sub keeper can't come on and play outfield?

Eoin Kelly made his debut with Tipperary outfield wearing number 16 despite being a keeper so there is a precedent.

The Cork Senior Football team is named as follows:

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)
3. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s)
4. James Loughrey (Mallow)
5. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
6. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)
7. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
8. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
9. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
10. Kevin O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
11. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
15. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
Subs:
16. Paddy O’Shea (St. Vincent’s)
17. Stephen O’Donoghue (Ballincollig)
18. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
19. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)
20. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
21. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
22. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
23. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)
24. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
25. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
Unavailable for selection due to injury: Ian Maguire, Ruairi Deane, Donncha O’Connor and Patrick Kelly.
Selectors: Brian Cuthbert (Bishopstown) - Manager, Owen Sexton, Kilbrittain, Ciaran O’Sullivan (Urhan), Don Davis (O’Donovan Rossa), Ronan McCarthy (Douglas).
Medical Officer: Dr. Con Murphy (U.C.C.) Physiotherapist: Colin Lane.



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Real real test Sunday of cork full back line with two corner backs half backs
Non existent midfield imo in what required
A half forward line with two work horses who can't score or create
O rourke the exception
A bench that thankfully at last has two corner backs who are natural backs but why aren't they starting
O driscoll was meant be injured if not then still must surely be not fit as gene already have given out over six games three days so why oh why is on bench Sunday
Clearly needs a rest
What happens if black card early he's used

We have zero absolutely zero midfield cover for Sunday

We have o driscoll and Hayes hardly game changers to keep Jim gavin awake at night
If Dublin wanted to win picked strong team I am worried for Sunday
Fitzmauirce once said in article examiner four years ago defence wins championship games and offence wins games
Offence imo won cork league games but if Dublin treat Sunday like championship cork awful awful truly ponderous blanket so called defence leaked 7-109 in eight games were in trouble against Dublin team conceded just two seventy eight
I hope and want cork win but I'm worried for Sunday as Dublin defence is good while still in transition yet ours is awful and doesn't come close blanket imo

I think for this league final that Donncha O Connor and Paddy Kelly are huge losses .....its good to see Stephen Cronin in the subs this guy is sheer class a wonderfull footballer I think he can make it ...TTM you are correct its amazing to see Brian O Driscoll in the subs its tough on the guy but you cant carry injured players ....one other point to make its very interesting to read the interviews with Brian Hurley and Conor Dorman both full of praise for Pat Flanagan ...Dorman said that he has done some training drills with them as well they seen to be very happy with him and mention him a lot ...they use the word respect for him and all he has done with Kerry etc....it looks like hes the one that has made the difference this year as regards the unity that seems to there this year.