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Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

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  • #102
    rogshan
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭rogshan


    JMcL wrote: »
    I really would advise not going on it Monday-Friday when work is ongoing. Carraiganore is one of the main works access points and there's a steady stream of tipper trucks going in there a lot of the time. These more often than not end up reversing up the track to wherever they need to dump their load so meeting one coming backwards towards me in a tight space wouldn't be my idea of fun.

    Thats why I said you could cycle at weekends when there are no heavy machinery operating,


  • #103
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    rogshan wrote: »
    Thats why I said you could cycle at weekends when there are no heavy machinery operating,

    Just be careful that this is the case, machines have been working a few weekends! We dont want anyone injured out there and we dont want to provide reasons for a slower rate of progress.


  • #104
    jimbo1979
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭jimbo1979


    Any truth in the rumour that the waterford-new Ross line might be included in the deise greenway


  • #105
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    Any truth in the rumour that the waterford-new Ross line might be included in the deise greenway

    Haven't heard that but it would make a lot of sense to merge the two greenways into one, it would make it more marketable and the distance more attractive for long-distance tours. Coincidentally or otherwise, the expected date for completion of both greenways is mid 2016.


  • #106
    my3cents
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    jimbo1979 wrote: »
    Any truth in the rumour that the waterford-new Ross line might be included in the deise greenway


    Maybe a stupid question but how do you join them?

    Wouldn't cost including on going maintenance be prohibitive?


  • #107
    STIG83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,588 ✭✭✭STIG83


    Was talking to a buddy of mine recently, he was saying people will walk their dogs on it and will left mess behind, I know alot will clean up but will get the lazy fuks who won't bother their arse to clean up.

    Will the line be maintained and litter and other rubbish picked up?


  • #108
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    my3cents wrote: »
    Maybe a stupid question but how do you join them?

    The New Ross Waterford one will end beside the school in Ferrybank. We believe the long term idea is to run this along a new pedestrian river crossing, along the river's edge of The Quay and somehow cross the junction at The Bridge Hotel and on out to Bilberry.

    In the short term, you could see something like running it along the North Quays as far as Rice Bridge, across that bridge and picking up the Waterford Dungarvan greenway at The Bridge Hotel.

    The council are well aware that the greenway's massive success rests on getting the routes into the heart of the city.


  • #109
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    STIG83 wrote: »
    Was talking to a buddy of mine recently, he was saying people will walk their dogs on it and will left mess behind, I know alot will clean up but will get the lazy fuks who won't bother their arse to clean up.

    Will the line be maintained and litter and other rubbish picked up?

    Yes, there will be maintenance. This is not just any walking path, this is a tourist product like the Viking Triangle and will need the same care and attention.

    Major initiatives like this can only give the area a boost which will hopefully spin off and give people the pride to keep it clean.


  • #110
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    deisegreenway wrote: »
    ...The Quay and somehow cross the junction at The Bridge Hotel and on out to Bilberry.

    That's one thing that is puzzling me actually, are there any plans for access to the quays coming from bilberry? As it is you *have* to turn left and cross the bridge (without dismounting that is)


  • #111
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    JMcL wrote: »
    That's one thing that is puzzling me actually, are there any plans for access to the quays coming from bilberry? As it is you *have* to turn left and cross the bridge (without dismounting that is)

    Good question and one we as a group dont know the answer to I'm afraid


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  • #112
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    deisegreenway wrote: »
    Good question and one we as a group dont know the answer to I'm afraid

    Time for a public competition?


  • #113
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    JMcL wrote: »
    That's one thing that is puzzling me actually, are there any plans for access to the quays coming from bilberry? As it is you *have* to turn left and cross the bridge (without dismounting that is)

    Not true, you can turn right before Geraghtys tyres left onto Mary Street and down O Connell street onto the Quays.


  • #114
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    wellboytoo wrote: »
    Not true, you can turn right before Geraghtys tyres left onto Mary Street and down O Connell street onto the Quays.

    This is true, but let's think of the the typical user groups the greenway is aimed at - i.e. leisure cyclists, tourists, and families with youngish kids. They come off a lovely piece of safe segregated infrastructure then have to take a detour which makes them have to turn left then right on a busy thoroughfare (Bridge St) which invariably has fast moving traffic on both directions trying to beat the lights, and then they have to cross 4 lanes to turn right on the quays. Sorry, I don't see that as a feasible solution.

    Methinks the junction needs rethought somewhat as IMHO the only feasible and safe solution is to give bikes a means of going straight onto the quays - it doesn't need to, and indeed shouldn't, extend to cars as that would only serve to create yet another rat run.


  • #115
    my3cents
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    JMcL wrote: »
    This is true, but let's think of the the typical user groups the greenway is aimed at - i.e. leisure cyclists, tourists, and families with youngish kids. They come off a lovely piece of safe segregated infrastructure then have to take a detour which makes them have to turn left then right on a busy thoroughfare (Bridge St) which invariably has fast moving traffic on both directions trying to beat the lights, and then they have to cross 4 lanes to turn right on the quays. Sorry, I don't see that as a feasible solution.

    Methinks the junction needs rethought somewhat as IMHO the only feasible and safe solution is to give bikes a means of going straight onto the quays - it doesn't need to, and indeed shouldn't, extend to cars as that would only serve to create yet another rat run.

    So you have decided its primarily for cyclists?


  • #116
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    JMcL wrote: »
    This is true, but let's think of the the typical user groups the greenway is aimed at - i.e. leisure cyclists, tourists, and families with youngish kids. They come off a lovely piece of safe segregated infrastructure then have to take a detour which makes them have to turn left then right on a busy thoroughfare (Bridge St) which invariably has fast moving traffic on both directions trying to beat the lights, and then they have to cross 4 lanes to turn right on the quays. Sorry, I don't see that as a feasible solution.

    Methinks the junction needs rethought somewhat as IMHO the only feasible and safe solution is to give bikes a means of going straight onto the quays - it doesn't need to, and indeed shouldn't, extend to cars as that would only serve to create yet another rat run.

    Totally impracticable , we have enough problems keeping the Quay traffic flowing without madcap ideas like this.
    There are other more practical solutions and there is also the fact that the walkway cycle way can finish at Grattan Quay, they all have to finish/ start somewhere?


  • #117
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    my3cents wrote: »
    So you have decided its primarily for cyclists?

    Have I decided what is primarily for cyclists? The Greenway, yes certainly, along with walkers though I'd imagine most walkers will park and walk the nicer parts of it. Who would you see it as being for?
    wellboytoo wrote: »
    Totally impracticable , we have enough problems keeping the Quay traffic flowing without madcap ideas like this.

    Why exactly is providing access to the city to somebody not in a tin box madcap, should we do away with all the pedestrian crossings along the quays as well while we're at it? Why do you think the roundabouts have been put on the quays and the lanes restricted? Council policy, like it or not, is to move traffic out of the city center and make it a friendlier environment for all. It of course doesn't help that the bridge is tolled, but that's another story
    There are other more practical solutions and there is also the fact that the walkway cycle way can finish at Grattan Quay, they all have to finish/ start somewhere?

    Strictly speaking this is part of EuroVelo 1, so yes you're right - it starts at Norkap in Norway, and ends at Sagres in Portugal :-)


  • #118
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    JMcL wrote: »
    Have I decided what is primarily for cyclists? The Greenway, yes certainly, along with walkers though I'd imagine most walkers will park and walk the nicer parts of it. Who would you see it as being for?



    Why exactly is providing access to the city to somebody not in a tin box madcap, should we do away with all the pedestrian crossings along the quays as well while we're at it? Why do you think the roundabouts have been put on the quays and the lanes restricted? Council policy, like it or not, is to move traffic out of the city center and make it a friendlier environment for all. It of course doesn't help that the bridge is tolled, but that's another story



    Strictly speaking this is part of EuroVelo 1, so yes you're right - it starts at Norkap in Norway, and ends at Sagres in Portugal :-)

    I am an avid walker and sometime cyclist, but practicalities should not be ignored, and if the plan to meld this with the New Ross line comes to fruition , crossing the bridge is going to be the direction of flow of this cycleway /walkway.


  • #119
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    There are a few more phases to finish between now and then!

    Here are two photos to show progress and the quality of the finishing...some parts are almost ready for tarmac


  • #120
    rayr
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭rayr


    deisegreenway wrote: »
    There are a few more phases to finish between now and then!

    Here are two photos to show progress and the quality of the finishing...some parts are almost ready for tarmac

    Looks good, will the entire route be Tarmac or stone chips? Tarmac would really increase usability for cyclists, runners, walkers and families.


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  • #121
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    deisegreenway wrote: »
    There are a few more phases to finish between now and then!

    Here are two photos to show progress and the quality of the finishing...some parts are almost ready for tarmac

    Looks great. This is up by Mount Congreve I assume?


  • #122
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    If the new ross line and the Dungarven line are together, what's the total distance between them? I know the Dungarven part is just shy of 50km one way isn't it?


  • #123
    JMcL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭JMcL


    Cabaal wrote: »
    If the new ross line and the Dungarven line are together, what's the total distance between them? I know the Dungarven part is just shy of 50km one way isn't it?

    According to the Wexford Echo Waterford-New Ross is 22km, which would bring the whole lot to just shy of 70km (I think the Dungarvan-Waterford route is actually 44km, though I can't lay my hands on the exact figure at the minute so stand to be corrected)


  • #124
    my3cents
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    JMcL wrote: »
    According to the Wexford Echo Waterford-New Ross is 22km, which would bring the whole lot to just shy of 70km (I think the Dungarvan-Waterford route is actually 44km, though I can't lay my hands on the exact figure at the minute so stand to be corrected)

    Somewhere back in this thread I think 48k is mentioned. I'd be surprised if it was less.


  • #125
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    rayr wrote: »
    Looks good, will the entire route be Tarmac or stone chips? Tarmac would really increase usability for cyclists, runners, walkers and families.

    Tarmac from end to end :) As you rightly said, it increases accessibility, usability and also allows it to be cleaned by machine.


  • #126
    deisegreenway
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭deisegreenway


    my3cents wrote: »
    Somewhere back in this thread I think 48k is mentioned. I'd be surprised if it was less.

    Somewhere between 44k and 48km...the 48km comes from the old 30 miles. Seeing as it takes a different alignment from the road and stops at Bilberry, we mightn't know until it's all open! It's still an amazing distance for one stretch, it'll put Waterford into the big league of greenways.


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  • #127
    Gardner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Gardner


    great for getting cyclists (I'm one) off the road and onto this. nice 90km sprint.


  • #128
    wellboytoo
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    Gardner wrote: »
    great for getting cyclists (I'm one) off the road and onto this. nice 90km sprint.

    Whoa with your sprint,lots of walkers to contend with, no pelethon's on this boi


  • #129
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    is this walkway passable as it is right now from waterford to dungarvan. i want to do it by foot before it is complete? thank you


  • #130
    looksee
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    Can we persuade cyclists that this is a recreational cycle way, rather than a sprint/ speed trial? If cyclists are doing a reasonable speed they will be able to share the area with walkers without problems, but if they feel they have to maintain speed then it will not be a suitable area to take children to walk. Not to mention the fact that you can't have cyclists using the same path and going in opposite directions if they feel they are entitled to keep up a maximum speed.

    Its a bit similar to the situation in swimming pools where people want to swim in lanes for speed and exercise, and children playing create problems. The solution there is to have designated times for each activity. So maybe there should be a significant speed limit for cyclists 15kph? on, say, weekends and afternoons. Parents with children can feel safe, but people wanting to use the facility for training can do so at other times, and walkers will be aware that they need to be alert.


  • #131
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    looksee wrote: »
    Can we persuade cyclists that this is a recreational cycle way, rather than a sprint/ speed trial? If cyclists are doing a reasonable speed they will be able to share the area with walkers without problems, but if they feel they have to maintain speed then it will not be a suitable area to take children to walk. Not to mention the fact that you can't have cyclists using the same path and going in opposite directions if they feel they are entitled to keep up a maximum speed.

    Its a bit similar to the situation in swimming pools where people want to swim in lanes for speed and exercise, and children playing create problems. The solution there is to have designated times for each activity. So maybe there should be a significant speed limit for cyclists 15kph? on, say, weekends and afternoons. Parents with children can feel safe, but people wanting to use the facility for training can do so at other times, and walkers will be aware that they need to be alert.

    id like to think cyclists would use their heads and realise this is a public facility made for all but your probably right.

    i do think designated lanes is a better idea for the swimming pools though. maybe a blanket speed limit for cyclists? probably be very hard to get people to agree times and days for limits etc


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  • #132
    kayaksurfbum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭kayaksurfbum


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    id like to think cyclists would use their heads and realise this is a public facility made for all but your probably right.

    i do think designated lanes is a better idea for the swimming pools though. maybe a blanket speed limit for cyclists? probably be very hard to get people to agree times and days for limits etc

    Im in a cycle club in waterford and im pretty sure we will not be using the greenway as a route on spins. Its not for that. I would Be all for speed limits and a few gates or shicanes that would stop any speeders.

    I dont think the existing cycle route in Dungarvan has any problem with speeding cyclists.


  • #133
    Wanderer78
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    kayaksurfbum wrote: »
    a few gates or chicanes that would stop any speeders.


    some good ideas there


  • #134
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    [QUOTE=Wanderer78;95252448]id like to think cyclists would use their heads and realise this is a public facility made for all but your probably right.

    i do think designated lanes is a better idea for the swimming pools though. maybe a blanket speed limit for cyclists? probably be very hard to get people to agree times and days for limits etc[/QUOTE]

    So would I, but every day I am dissuaded by brainless twat's on bikes


  • #135
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    wellboytoo wrote: »
    So would I but every day I am dissuaded by brainless twat's on bikes

    kinna sucks to be human at times doesnt it. most days i do feel like asking god to remove me from this planet. many 'brainless twats' around im afraid. reminds me of steve hughes views on health and safety. youtube steve hughes on health and safety. sorry cant post link. newbie and all that craic


  • #136
    Sportif Lady
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭Sportif Lady


    wellboytoo wrote: »
    So would I, but every day I am dissuaded by brainless twat's on bikes

    Give us an example.


  • #137
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom



    Sportif Lady wrote: »
    Give us an example.

    The roads are full of them......


  • #138
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    kayaksurfbum wrote: »
    I dont think the existing cycle route in Dungarvan has any problem with speeding cyclists.

    The main problem on that route is groups of people walking who take up the whole width of the path and give the smallest gap for a cyclist to get past them.


  • #139
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    Sportif Lady wrote: »
    Give us an example.

    Only one? the lovely people with no lights on main roads every single night of the week, the Unbelievably stupid woman with no helmet who decided to cycle between the kerb and me this morning while I was taking a left turn in a truck?
    Don't try defend the indefensible just because you think you are a good cyclist, there's loads of stupid people out there on bikes cars trains and planes, Cyclists are just more common with the good weather.


  • #140
    my3cents
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    lertsnim wrote: »
    The main problem on that route is groups of people walking who take up the whole width of the path and give the smallest gap for a cyclist to get past them.

    They can get off then and walk past with the bikes. There's no law against dismounting and in this case bikes are in the same position as cars are on the road.

    And what about bikes on roads ffs groups of bikes take up the whole road and don't leave any room for cars to get past.

    The boots on the other foot get over it and stop complaining.


  • #141
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    my3cents wrote: »
    They can get off then and walk past with the bikes. There's no law against dismounting and in this case bikes are in the same position as cars are on the road.

    And what about bikes on roads ffs groups of bikes take up the whole road and don't leave any room for cars to get past.

    The boots on the other foot get over it and stop complaining.

    Wow. What a way to take a comment and blow it way out of proportion.


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  • #142
    my3cents
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    lertsnim wrote: »
    Wow. What a way to take a comment and blow it way out of proportion.

    So your not expecting walkers to get out of your way?


  • #143
    lertsnim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,804 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    my3cents wrote: »
    So your not expecting walkers to get out of your way?

    The way you replied you'd think I was expecting them to clear the path completely and that is not what was meant at all. Courtesy from both cyclists and pedestrians is all that's needed. It's not just a footpath after all.

    Why you started going on about bicycles and cars is anyone's guess.


  • #144
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    Regarding bicycles on the old railway line, has anybody seen the clearing machines in action? Even with a new macadam surface on 2m of the line, the wind will be blowing thorns and splinters back onto it in no time and for years to come. I would imagine any bicycles using substantial amounts of the line will get plenty of practice at puncture repairs.


  • #145
    my3cents
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    lertsnim wrote: »
    The way you replied you'd think I was expecting them to clear the path completely and that is not what was meant at all. Courtesy from both cyclists and pedestrians is all that's needed. It's not just a footpath after all.

    Why you started going on about bicycles and cars is anyone's guess.

    On the roads when I'm driving I give cyclists a very wide birth regularly stopping for them if there is on coming traffic with little room to pass so on a greenway as a walker I expect the same consideration from cyclists, I doubt I'll get it but I can always hope.


  • #146
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    The roads are full of them......

    impressive speeds though


  • #147
    Poor Uncle Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,546 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    impressive speeds though

    Seriously impressive, imagine if s/he had a dedicated track where they weren't endangering themselves or others.


  • #148
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    Seriously impressive, imagine if s/he had a dedicated track where they weren't endangering themselves or others.

    what you talkin bout willis!

    are you proposing the building of dedicated area for people to do this? sure thats mad talk!


  • #149
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    sure thats mad talk!

    ...sure, tis Ted....


  • #150
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    ...sure, tis Ted....

    step away from the screen. maybe make yourself a cup of tea or go for a wonder or something. hopefully it ll pass


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  • #151
    Stokolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stokolan


    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    Regarding bicycles on the old railway line, has anybody seen the clearing machines in action? Even with a new macadam surface on 2m of the line, the wind will be blowing thorns and splinters back onto it in no time and for years to come. I would imagine any bicycles using substantial amounts of the line will get plenty of practice at puncture repairs.

    Not me. I use these :Dhttp://tannus.co.uk/ No puncture tyres.


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