Xbox One/360 Dashboard & Update Discussion (Retail/Beta/Preview Versions)

Stone Deaf 4evr · 11-03-2015 06:20PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

One ecosystem remember?

If it gets rid of 'xbox bing' I'll be delighted. just feel like a dope saying it.

Also, the speech recognition on searches seems to have gotten worse lately - no way should it be mixing up "ori and the blind forest" with "forza horizon"

what happens if you 'bing' google?

calex71 · 11-03-2015 06:49PM

I've started to notice that aswell , takes a few attempts to say record that etc. I'm wondering if it's the kinect thing being freed up and not being fully turned on in some games? Like will have the white logo always on but the red lights in the middle off in some titles. Like it's sleeping or something

CatInABox · 19-03-2015 11:28AM

Apparently game streaming to Windows 10 is coming in the April preview, if the picture of the latest surveys is correct.

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calex71 · 19-03-2015 01:19PM

CatInABox wrote: »

Apparently game streaming to Windows 10 is coming in the April preview, if the picture of the latest surveys is correct.

Ugggghhh no way that will test well on a VM, I'll be quad booting my desktop at this stage

FAILSAFE 00 · 19-03-2015 03:05PM

I've placed Windows 10 onto Virtual box but its really slow. I can't seem to speed it up. I may have to create another boot also.

Fingleberries · 19-03-2015 04:23PM

LIGHTNING wrote: »

It's crap in a VM, stick it on a real PC and it flys along, far quicker than 7. On my SSD PC it boots nearly instantly.

Been running Win 10 since September. Great so far - looking to streaming xbox to my laptop / tablet (had some builders in recently and the sitting room was off-limits. Would've been great to be able to stream the games then).

calex71 · 20-03-2015 12:25AM

FAILSAFE 00 wrote: »

I've placed Windows 10 onto Virtual box but its really slow. I can't seem to speed it up. I may have to create another boot also.

It's ok in VM on my box for general stuff but as soon as I launch an app it's a memory hog , how much ram have you physically got and whats assigned to the VM running windows 10 ? 4GB out of 16 GB installed ram on mine assigned to it and it's only ok using VMware player.... which is a pain in the you know what on windows 8 , neither they or virtualbox sorted the issue that was identified in the beta of win 8 that slowed the shut down / sleep of a win 8/8.1 pc down if they were installed .... 10 minute sleep/shutdown for me :mad:

If streaming is coming i'll be adding a new quadboot to the triple boot I have at the minute (need different os for study etc and have to perform well)

FAILSAFE 00 · 20-03-2015 04:39AM

calex71 wrote: »

It's ok in VM on my box for general stuff but as soon as I launch an app it's a memory hog , how much ram have you physically got and whats assigned to the VM running windows 10 ? 4GB out of 16 GB installed ram on mine assigned to it and it's only ok using VMware player.... which is a pain in the you know what on windows 8 , neither they or virtualbox sorted the issue that was identified in the beta of win 8 that slowed the shut down / sleep of a win 8/8.1 pc down if they were installed .... 10 minute sleep/shutdown for me :mad:

If streaming is coming i'll be adding a new quadboot to the triple boot I have at the minute (need different os for study etc and have to perform well)

I have given it 4 out of 8 GB. I have given it more and less but it still gives the same result. Another boot option should do the trick.

Fingleberries · 20-03-2015 10:58AM

CatInABox wrote: »

Apparently game streaming to Windows 10 is coming in the April preview, if the picture of the latest surveys is correct.

I wonder does that mean that the April update will be the one that swaps out the Windows 8 Kernel with the Windows 10 one on the Xbox One. They seemed to say that this feature would require Windows 10 on both devices to work.

(Although maybe I misunderstood the GDC video showing the feature)

runawaybishop · 20-03-2015 11:03AM

Fingleberries wrote: »

I wonder does that mean that the April update will be the one that swaps out the Windows 8 Kernel with the Windows 10 one on the Xbox One. They seemed to say that this feature would require Windows 10 on both devices to work.

(Although maybe I misunderstood the GDC video showing the feature)

wont see that happening for months.

calex71 · 21-03-2015 11:03AM

1504 update is out now on the preview, looks like more party / chat improvements, seeing a lot of weirdness with it lately while I have it snapped with errors frequently showing but chat still continuing to work ok.

CatInABox · 21-03-2015 11:08AM

calex71 wrote: »

1504 update is out now on the preview, looks like more party / chat improvements, seeing a lot of weirdness with it lately while I have it snapped with errors frequently showing but chat still continuing to work ok.

Two updates this month as well. Most likely, they are going to announce new features at Build, almost certainly Windows 10 related.

runawaybishop · 23-03-2015 01:30PM

calex71 wrote: »

1504 update is out now on the preview, looks like more party / chat improvements, seeing a lot of weirdness with it lately while I have it snapped with errors frequently showing but chat still continuing to work ok.

scrict and moderate is now relayed through a server to remove issues.

runawaybishop · 23-03-2015 01:32PM

CatInABox wrote: »

Two updates this month as well. Most likely, they are going to announce new features at Build, almost certainly Windows 10 related.

win 10 builds are months away from xbone.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 23-03-2015 04:39PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

scrict and moderate is now relayed through a server to remove issues.

I'm not a tech head - but does this mean the days of party chat breaking because someones NAT type being different is over?

and will it do similar for matchmaking with a party in a similar situation?
and finally,:) will it introduce lag by relaying data through another server?

runawaybishop · 23-03-2015 05:26PM

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I'm not a tech head - but does this mean the days of party chat breaking because someones NAT type being different is over?

and will it do similar for matchmaking with a party in a similar situation?
and finally,:) will it introduce lag by relaying data through another server?

Currently the OPEN party member is chosen as the host and if you are all strict/moderate you can have issues connecting to each other. The new stuff just gets relayed through a server so you can all chat to each other. There should be no more lag than you'd get chatting to each other as it is now.

Do you mean game matchmaking? This is just for party, nothing else.

CatInABox · 23-03-2015 06:11PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

win 10 builds are months away from xbone.

runawaybishop wrote: »

Currently the OPEN party member is chosen as the host and if you are all strict/moderate you can have issues connecting to each other. The new stuff just gets relayed through a server so you can all chat to each other. There should be no more lag than you'd get chatting to each other as it is now.

Do you mean game matchmaking? This is just for party, nothing else.

Nice to get the inside track, thanks!

I've found that the patch notes are kinda vague in some cases, particularly around the party chat changes, so it's nice to hear about it from someone who's got experience of the backend.

runawaybishop · 23-03-2015 06:20PM

You can find most of this out publicly, or at least its a fair guess thats how it works etc.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 24-03-2015 11:48AM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Currently the OPEN party member is chosen as the host and if you are all strict/moderate you can have issues connecting to each other. The new stuff just gets relayed through a server so you can all chat to each other. There should be no more lag than you'd get chatting to each other as it is now.

Do you mean game matchmaking? This is just for party, nothing else.

yeah, I meant for matchmaking as well. I vaguely remember it being touted at the consoles launch announcement that the days of NAT troubles were over, but that obviously has proved not to be the case.

runawaybishop · 24-03-2015 11:50AM

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

yeah, I meant for matchmaking as well. I vaguely remember it being touted at the consoles launch announcement that the days of NAT troubles were over, but that obviously has proved not to be the case.

Its already in place for games hosted by azure. Individual titles that do their own hosting need to sort out NAT issues themselves.

Stone Deaf 4evr · 24-03-2015 01:53PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Its already in place for games hosted by azure. Individual titles that do their own hosting need to sort out NAT issues themselves.

Would it be safe to assume that the number of titles using the azure servers is only going to grow in the future? - particularly with the consolidation of everything to windows 10? The reason i ask, is because you can really notice the difference between, say titanfall and cod ghosts.

runawaybishop · 24-03-2015 02:35PM

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Would it be safe to assume that the number of titles using the azure servers is only going to grow in the future? - particularly with the consolidation of everything to windows 10? The reason i ask, is because you can really notice the difference between, say titanfall and cod ghosts.

Its a good service but its down to the individual game houses, if they have invested in servers for multi-platform games then they are less likely to fork out more to hook into and use azure.

calex71 · 24-03-2015 05:01PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Its a good service but its down to the individual game houses, if they have invested in servers for multi-platform games then they are less likely to fork out more to hook into and use azure.

I would have assumed Azure was platform agnostic surely?

runawaybishop · 24-03-2015 05:08PM

calex71 wrote: »

I would have assumed Azure was platform agnostic surely?

Yup, open to all and any. Game houses still have their own platforms though.

CatInABox · 24-03-2015 06:34PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Yup, open to all and any. Game houses still have their own platforms though.

What's the benefit of rolling your own platform? Is it just cost, or are there other benefits of controlling your platform?

runawaybishop · 24-03-2015 06:46PM

CatInABox wrote: »

What's the benefit of rolling your own platform? Is it just cost, or are there other benefits of controlling your platform?

Its more than likely a lot more expensive running your own tbh, but you can optimise performance with your services etc and maintain control over downtime, allocations etc.

calex71 · 24-03-2015 09:06PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Its more than likely a lot more expensive running your own tbh, but you can optimise performance with your services etc and maintain control over downtime, allocations etc.

It's actually probably not that much more expensive, one of the main benefits of cloud services is on demand scalability. I'm not familiar with MS services model but if it's anything like Amazon you pay for what you use and can scale up resources during busy periods and down during quite ones so cost likely would balance out the bandwidth used is likely where they'll sting you on costs. Plus you aren't stuck with racks of severs that go under utilised 90% of the time, which is actually where amazon and google etc's cloud services partially came out of. They had massive data centers with loads of idle hardware that they put to use providing services like Prime and AWS.

runawaybishop · 24-03-2015 09:52PM

calex71 wrote: »

It's actually probably not that much more expensive, one of the main benefits of cloud services is on demand scalability. I'm not familiar with MS services model but if it's anything like Amazon you pay for what you use and can scale up resources during busy periods and down during quite ones so cost likely would balance out the bandwidth used is likely where they'll sting you on costs. Plus you aren't stuck with racks of severs that go under utilised 90% of the time, which is actually where amazon and google etc's cloud services partially came out of. They had massive data centers with loads of idle hardware that they put to use providing services like Prime and AWS.

I said a private cloud is more expensive. Amazon, azure, rack space etc are cheaper.

Mickeroo · 24-03-2015 11:59PM

When achievements pop it tells you what they were for now, no more snapping the app mid game.

maximoose · 25-03-2015 02:41PM

That is great, snapping to achievements can take a fûcking age to load. Much handier.

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