Jeremy Clarkson suspended

SpaceTime · 21-03-2015 07:23PM

It says a lot about the culture at the BBC though. No company I can think of would tolerate violence against colleagues.

All it says to me is the thr BBC puts their star celebs' unusual behaviour ahead of ensuring a safe workplace.

I can't think of many places where allegedly punching a colleague wouldn't lead to immediate dismissal and a call to the police too.

My name is URL · 21-03-2015 07:33PM

SpaceTime wrote: »

It says a lot about the culture at the BBC though. No company I can think of would tolerate violence against colleagues.

All it says to me is the thr BBC puts their star celebs' unusual behaviour ahead of ensuring a safe workplace.

I can't think of many places where allegedly punching a colleague wouldn't lead to immediate dismissal and a call to the police too.

It's the same sort of personality cult that allowed Saville to abuse so many people while working in the BBC. Higher-ups and colleagues afraid to speak out against him for fear of damaging their own careers and reputations.

Obviously comparing the actions of Clarkson to Saville would be absurd, but the environment in which both operated is very similar.

It says a lot that so many people are of the opinion that 'Top Gear needs Clarkson more than Clarkson needs Top Gear'.. as if that somehow justifies ignoring his behavior and outbursts.

Karl Stein · 21-03-2015 09:35PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Karl Stein is receiving the sycophantic treatment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8OxKx6zKkQ

Desolation Of Smug · 22-03-2015 01:04PM

RIP Karl Stein. Is it ok if I blame Oisin for his demise too?

ziggy · 22-03-2015 01:13PM

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muddypaws · 22-03-2015 01:38PM

Sorry if this has already been posted in this thread, but what a perfect solution

https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-replace-jeremy-clarkson-with-julian-clary-as-presenter-of-top-gear?recruiter=215460411&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-custom_msg&fb_ref=Default

martinedwards · 22-03-2015 01:55PM

I hear that Zane has pulled out of 1 directions tour.....

Jeremy is free, right?

tipptom · 22-03-2015 02:02PM

IsaacWunder wrote: »

Gray and Keys got sacked because he didn't enjoy popular support and came across as nasty, sexist, middle aged men (mainly because they are nasty, sexist, middle aged men).

Clarkson, on the other hand, is a loveable rogue. He's seen as something of a manchild and a harmless idiot or buffoon. He's obviously not an idiot, and he's not harmless, instead it's an act. And the public lap it up. Boris Johnson, who has the same schtick as Clarkson, will probably be prime minister for the same reasons.

You seriously think Cameron or Milliband would hold their positions if they said and done what Clarkson done.?

There is no work place that would have been tolerated in and if they did they would leave themselves open to a massive claim.

tipptom · 22-03-2015 02:10PM

muddypaws wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been posted in this thread, but what a perfect solution

https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-replace-jeremy-clarkson-with-julian-clary-as-presenter-of-top-gear?recruiter=215460411&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-custom_msg&fb_ref=Default

Don't know if he would be as good as a presenter but he probably knows more about cars than Clarkson.

Maybe if we let Aero give Clarkson a good fisting it might resolve the whole situation and every body would be satisfied.

Wibbs · 22-03-2015 02:30PM

tipptom wrote: »

Don't know if he would be as good as a presenter but he probably knows more about cars than Clarkson.

Eh no. No he doesn't. Pre Top Gear Mark 2(and during it) Clarkson was one of the better motoring journos out there. His early stuff especially is well written, informative and often funny. Whatever about his twattery of the last couple of years and twattery it often is, he has a very solid background and knowledge of cars and the motor industry.

Then again the bed wetter brigade would only love to have someone like Clary in the role. Ohhh aren't we being ironic? Luckily Julien being a very clever bloke would see if for what it was and not touch it with a bargepole.

Jeez, this is the level of knowledge we're dealing with here when Julien Clary, nice chap that he is, "probably knows more about cars than Clarkson"? I give up.

Renegade Mechanic · 22-03-2015 02:33PM

It's for the best, wibbs. Us "Clarkson faaaaanboys" ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) were unfortunately outnumbered years ago.

Desolation Of Smug · 22-03-2015 02:35PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

It's for the best, wibbs. Us "Clarkson faaaaanboys" ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) were unfortunately outnumbered years ago.

His stuff in The Times was funny today too.

Renegade Mechanic · 22-03-2015 02:46PM

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

His stuff in The Times was funny today too.

He's a funny man but I always laugh a little inside at anyone who dismisses him as "thick". Some of my first passing Internet researches into how the world works were kicked off in my early/mid teens by questioning his writings. He's deceptively intelligent.

tipptom · 22-03-2015 03:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh no. No he doesn't. Pre Top Gear Mark 2(and during it) Clarkson was one of the better motoring journos out there. His early stuff especially is well written, informative and often funny. Whatever about his twattery of the last couple of years and twattery it often is, he has a very solid background and knowledge of cars and the motor industry.

Then again the bed wetter brigade would only love to have someone like Clary in the role. Ohhh aren't we being ironic? Luckily Julien being a very clever bloke would see if for what it was and not touch it with a bargepole.

Jeez, this is the level of knowledge we're dealing with here when Julien Clary, nice chap that he is, "probably knows more about cars than Clarkson"? I give up.

And well you should give up,Besides the fanboys on here like yourself creaming themselves over every thing Jezza says and does no matter how reprehensible where in Gods name can you say that anybody takes anything he says about cars seriously,he is a good presenter though when he is not being a violent racist bully.

Question remains,would Cameron or Milliband have held on to their positions if they said and done what Clarkson had said and done ?

Renegade Mechanic · 22-03-2015 03:09PM

tipptom wrote: »

[/B] And well you should give up,Besides the fanboys on here like yourself creaming themselves over every thing Jezza says and does no matter how reprehensible where in Gods name can you say that anybody takes anything he says about cars seriously,he is a good presenter though when he is not being a violent racist bully.

Question remains,would Cameron or Milliband have held on to their positions if they said and done what Clarkson had said and done ?

Is Clarkson trying to run a country with around 50 million dependants?

tipptom · 22-03-2015 03:16PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Is Clarkson trying to run a country with around 50 million dependants?
And your answer to the question is.....???
And his programme is being funded by said tax payers.

ScumLord · 22-03-2015 03:30PM

Wibbs wrote: »

that's the point when his friends, May and Hammond and his very close mate the shows overall producer should have stepped in and called him to book.

According to a witness report in one of the rags that#s exactly what happened. I'm almost sure Oisin in another rag. Mays "I was blind drunk" phrase was just his official line to the papers instead of "no comment" I think.

My name is URL wrote: »

It's the same sort of personality cult that allowed Saville to abuse so many people while working in the BBC. Higher-ups and colleagues afraid to speak out against him for fear of damaging their own careers and reputations.

But that's not what happened at all. The BBC stopped the show immediately and have now apparently fired Clarkson. So there was no celebrity protection on the BBCs part.

What you are doing is accusing fans of the show (that say they like watching Clarkson) of being as good as child abuse supporters because they don't see an argument between two grown adults as worthy of the status of international scandal. What your saying is ridiculous, there's no comparison at all.

I'm really surprised that you'd get caught up in this mob outrage URL, based on facts it's the kind of thing that happens day in, day out, throughout the world in all walks of business. Most normal people are able to reconcile the argument and get on about there business, maybe many get fired.

In businesses where they have a limited pool of expertise to pull from they have to find a way to settle the argument and move on. Quite often the two men involved wouldn't send it up the chain of command, it would be nothing but a rumor to management. But because of the people involved here the situation goes ballistic straight away.

I would wonder what it's like to get hit by Clarkson? I imagine he's the type that makes a fist with the thumb inside and it's like having a child throw a bag of chicken wings at you.

muddypaws · 22-03-2015 03:37PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh no. No he doesn't. Pre Top Gear Mark 2(and during it) Clarkson was one of the better motoring journos out there. His early stuff especially is well written, informative and often funny. Whatever about his twattery of the last couple of years and twattery it often is, he has a very solid background and knowledge of cars and the motor industry.

Then again the bed wetter brigade would only love to have someone like Clary in the role. Ohhh aren't we being ironic? Luckily Julien being a very clever bloke would see if for what it was and not touch it with a bargepole.

Jeez, this is the level of knowledge we're dealing with here when Julien Clary, nice chap that he is, "probably knows more about cars than Clarkson"? I give up.

It's AH, it was posted as a bit of light relief, in keeping with the forum, and I'm sure the petition itself is in the same spirit, JC replaced by JC.

I think Clarkson is very good at his job, and has very cleverly sussed out what works and will earn him a good living. Do I think he's a knob? Yes I do, do I enjoy watching him and reading his stuff? Yes I do, my son borrowed one of his books and I found it really funny. Have the BBC acted properly? Yes they have, if the reports are true and he hit a colleague.

My name is URL · 22-03-2015 04:07PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm really surprised that you'd get caught up in this mob outrage URL, based on facts it's the kind of thing that happens day in, day out, throughout the world in all walks of business. Most normal people are able to reconcile the argument and get on about there business, maybe many get fired.

In businesses where they have a limited pool of expertise to pull from they have to find a way to settle the argument and move on. Quite often the two men involved wouldn't send it up the chain of command, it would be nothing but a rumor to management. But because of the people involved here the situation goes ballistic straight away.

I would wonder what it's like to get hit by Clarkson? I imagine he's the type that makes a fist with the thumb inside and it's like having a child throw a bag of chicken wings at you.

I'm not outraged at all by it. I'm disappointed in Clarkson as I'm a fan of his generally and of the show, and it's him more so than anyone else that is putting the show in jeopardy with how he has behaved at times over the last few years.. he's been warned numerous times and is well aware that he's been on thin ice. The BBC can't just keep on turning a blind eye to all he says or does while in their employment. Tbh I'm more outraged by the reaction of the public to it all. And I mean those on both sides.

A million people signing a fcuking petition to 'bring him back' before any facts are even known about the incident, marching on the BBC, and the PM saying that he shouldn't be suspended! That imo is just as bad as calling for his head before the facts are known.

It's absurd that so many people are willing to excuse or justify what happened despite not even knowing the details, just because of who he is and how popular he and the show is. That's what I'm comparing to the Saville thing. Can you imagine if he had been fired at the peak of his career? The public reaction would have been much the same. I'm not trying to compare the severity of both cases at all.

mikom · 22-03-2015 04:10PM

Like a focking episode of black mirror.

Clarkson won't be loosing any sleep over ye tonight.

ScumLord · 22-03-2015 04:43PM

My name is URL wrote: »

he's been warned numerous times and is well aware that he's been on thin ice.

What has he been warned for outside of the show?

Wibbs · 22-03-2015 04:51PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That's what I'm comparing to the Saville thing. Can you imagine if he had been fired at the peak of his career? The public reaction would have been much the same.

I know you're not directly comparing the two cases URL, but c'mon if Saville was sacked because it got out that he was a serial kiddie fiddler and interferer of corpses, I seriously doubt the public reaction would have been within an asses roar of support. He'd have more likely been lynched.

tipptom wrote: »

[/B] And well you should give up,Besides the fanboys on here like yourself creaming themselves over every thing Jezza says

Jesus, another one who seems to not actually read what I've written. You do realise that I've called him an immature diva and twat who seems to be going off the deep end in the last few years? Hardly a "fanboy". But heaven forfend you should let facts get in the way of your rant.

and does no matter how reprehensible where in Gods name can you say that anybody takes anything he says about cars seriously

Again you're writing from a great position of ignorance. His writings on cars and the industry go back over two decades. He has written for many outlets on the subject and is well respected, or was, as far as motoring journalism goes. He was particularly good at bypassing the marketing bullshít common to the industry.

he is a good presenter though when he is not being a violent racist bully.

I'd put him as a far better writer than presenter, but then again I've actually read a fair bit of his output over the years, whereas you seem to be working off hearsay.

Question remains,would Cameron or Milliband have held on to their positions if they said and done what Clarkson had said and done ?

Ehhhh wut?

We're through the looking glass here folks.

fryup · 22-03-2015 07:34PM

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

He's a funny man but I always laugh a little inside at anyone who dismisses him as "thick"

yep, he's a very wealthy man..he might be lots of things but thick ain't one of them

CiDeRmAn · 22-03-2015 08:27PM

I had a massive debate with friends last night on this topic.
And it seems some think that minorities are just being too sensitive about derogatory name calling and should get over it.
The same people think that it's all about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD! rather than about presenting a television program on a public service broadcaster, paid for by the tax payer and that these tax payers happen to include English, Welsh, Scots and Ulstermen who aren't all white, protestant or men for that matter, and that's it not OK to use offensive language, outdated racist language to describe them.

And as for the assault that led to the current debacle, these geniuses reckoned the Irish producer must have said something to provoke Clarkson, that there are two sides to it and its just about prissy little sensitive people having a mickey fit over this man who TELLS IT LIKE IT IS.

Honestly, think I'm going to have to find new mates!

You don't get to punch a co worker in any job and expect to keep that job.
End of.
Unless you are in a boxing ring.
Or a cage fighter.
Neither of which Clarkson is.
I think.

suicide_circus · 22-03-2015 09:00PM

Comparing Clarkson to Savile is like Godwin only more retarded.

Skylinehead · 22-03-2015 09:10PM

tipptom wrote: »

And his programme is being funded by said tax payers.

Yeah, that's not even close to being true.

dr.fuzzenstein · 22-03-2015 10:10PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Comparing Clarkson to Savile is like Godwin only more retarded.

But! But! He's ugly and opinionated! I don't agree with what he says! How dare this man be obnoxious! I don't like him! And I'm not into cars, so he's doubly wrong, where does he get the notion from to go around saying all the stuff he does! I don't care about him, just look at me shouting about not caring about him! He's too tall and dresses like crap!
It's great that he can still elicit that kind of response.
My point of view was, if he punched the guy he crossed the line. You can't do that and expect to walk away. If he is guilty and it all happened as it did, the BBC is right to sack him.
But because of the above arguments by the rabid anti-Clarkson brigade, I will change back again:
I hope Clarkson will be forgiven, taken back, big apology to Oisin, man-hugs all round and a supercar special.
Because he does indeed annoy the right people, the Guardian readers, the Birkenstock brigade, the faux intellectuals, the fem Nazis, in short people with a superiority complex based on I don't know what, who think they're above such low-brow numb-scullery because they're better than the rest of us. May this program annoy you for years to come. And even if he does go, may the reruns annoy you for years to come.

Tarzana2 · 22-03-2015 10:55PM

Anyone who wheels out the moronic terms 'brigade' and 'feminazi' needs to be shot with solidly compacted balls of their own shít. By a firing squad.

suicide_circus · 22-03-2015 10:58PM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Anyone who wheels out the moronic terms 'brigade' and 'feminazi' needs to be shot with solidly compacted balls of their own shít. By a firing squad.

Ah go back to your feminazi brigade

A Dub in Glasgo · 22-03-2015 11:29PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

And it seems some think that minorities are just being too sensitive about derogatory name calling and should get over it.
The same people think that it's all about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD! rather than about presenting a television program on a public service broadcaster, paid for by the tax payer and that these tax payers happen to include English, Welsh, Scots and Ulstermen who aren't all white, protestant or men for that matter, and that's it not OK to use offensive language, outdated racist language to describe them.

And as for the assault that led to the current debacle, these geniuses reckoned the Irish producer must have said something to provoke Clarkson, that there are two sides to it and its just about prissy little sensitive people having a mickey fit over this man who TELLS IT LIKE IT IS.

That could easily describe the fanboys on this thread

Jeremy Clarkson suspended

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