M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

cupthehand1 · 12-03-2015 6:15pm

quizzical wrote: »

What about option 4 is there a high possibility that this one could go ahead?

Option 4 seems to me to be the best option due to serious volume of heavy vehicles currently using the N69 and given the amount of industry around Askeaton, it would seem to make more sense to use option 4 and utilise an upgraded N69/New Build. Option 4 would give traffic from Wyeth Nutritional access to the new build road withing 200 metres of its entrance (all of their products are moved by road), this would then link into a new bypass of Adare rather than the option 2 of a new road and major interchange around Rathkeale when there is already a sufficient road in place there for the volumes using it.

Limerick74 · 13-03-2015 6:55pm

I see the foyneslimerick.ie has been updated with an extended deadline for submissions to 10th April and higher resolution drawings from the public consultation.

dashoonage · 16-03-2015 5:01pm

Afternoon all

So I'm a bit late to the party here. Only found out the end of last week about all this. Route 1 goes through half of my site.

Anyone shed any light on what I do now? will there be more public meetings?

If there is a CPO isuses on my house how does this work?

Does anyone know when the decision on a route will be?

Treepole · 16-03-2015 10:49pm

dashoonage wrote: »

Afternoon all

So I'm a bit late to the party here. Only found out the end of last week about all this. Route 1 goes through half of my site.

Anyone shed any light on what I do now? will there be more public meetings?

If there is a CPO isuses on my house how does this work?

Does anyone know when the decision on a route will be?

The corridors in the route are 300m wide. The width of the actual road if it was built on that particular corridor would be something in the region of 50m, so they will have wriggle room to avoid houses etc.

Mango Joe · 19-03-2015 9:20pm

dashoonage wrote: »

Afternoon all

So I'm a bit late to the party here. Only found out the end of last week about all this. Route 1 goes through half of my site.

Anyone shed any light on what I do now? will there be more public meetings?

If there is a CPO isuses on my house how does this work?

Does anyone know when the decision on a route will be?

Route 1 seems to be the least likely option I think, certainly it's not even mentioned as likely in the discussion on here can anyone else comment?

Was there any feedback from these public meetings?

Best of luck re your house and any impact etc hope it's all ok for you....

moleyv · 19-03-2015 9:29pm

Mango Joe wrote:

Route 1 seems to be the least likely option I think, certainly it's not even mentioned as likely in the discussion on here can anyone else comment?

Someone on here said preferred option was route two.

Someone I know was told route 1 at the meeting.

To be honest I would take what they say lightly at this stage. They will play their cards close to their chest until the next stage.

jmdwr · 20-03-2015 11:41am

The scheme is positioned as one of "Improvement". Therefore Option 1 should be the route, and no other. It's very simple.

If Option 2, 3 or 4 are contenders then the scheme should be something other than Improvement.

The fact that there are 3 other routes now being tabled implies Limerick Council is going to discount option 1. It's drawn in red which is quite appropriate as it is a red herring. The agenda here includes building a new road that can by-pass Adare also.

I wonder what are buddies in Europe will say if they realize that the funding is being used in this way, or will they care?

Cookiemunster · 20-03-2015 12:32pm

jmdwr wrote: »

The scheme is positioned as one of "Improvement". Therefore Option 1 should be the route, and no other. It's very simple.

If Option 2, 3 or 4 are contenders then the scheme should be something other than Improvement.

The fact that there are 3 other routes now being tabled implies Limerick Council is going to discount option 1. It's drawn in red which is quite appropriate as it is a red herring. The agenda here includes building a new road that can by-pass Adare also.

I wonder what are buddies in Europe will say if they realize that the funding is being used in this way, or will they care?

The idea of the route is to get heavy traffic from Foynes port to the motorway network. All of these option give that result.

dashoonage · 20-03-2015 1:04pm

jmdwr wrote: »

The scheme is positioned as one of "Improvement". Therefore Option 1 should be the route, and no other. It's very simple.

If Option 2, 3 or 4 are contenders then the scheme should be something other than Improvement.

The fact that there are 3 other routes now being tabled implies Limerick Council is going to discount option 1. It's drawn in red which is quite appropriate as it is a red herring. The agenda here includes building a new road that can by-pass Adare also.

I wonder what are buddies in Europe will say if they realize that the funding is being used in this way, or will they care?

If they can kill two boards with one stone i dont think they will care. If they can provide an express route from foynes and bypass adare within budget....fair play.

Middle Man · 20-03-2015 1:19pm

jmdwr wrote: »

The scheme is positioned as one of "Improvement". Therefore Option 1 should be the route, and no other. It's very simple.

If Option 2, 3 or 4 are contenders then the scheme should be something other than Improvement.

The fact that there are 3 other routes now being tabled implies Limerick Council is going to discount option 1. It's drawn in red which is quite appropriate as it is a red herring. The agenda here includes building a new road that can by-pass Adare also.

I wonder what are buddies in Europe will say if they realize that the funding is being used in this way, or will they care?

You seem to want a captive audience for travel related businesses along the N21. Well screw that! That is exactly what is wrong with this country. BTW, freedom of movement is also a principle of the EU. You have no right to restrict the movement of people and deprive them of choice - capitalism at its worst!

andyournameis · 25-03-2015 10:21am

This is a very good link to see what areas will be affected

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=z8Yh93ZJWk_k.k5WQ2s9G20TU

Thanks Margaret Browne

SeanW · 25-03-2015 10:49am

Link requires a login.

andyournameis · 25-03-2015 11:01am

Sorry.... You will have to look at it on Facebook...

Cllr Emmett J. O'Brien Limerick City and County Council

He has the link of his facebook page

rliston · 25-03-2015 5:20pm

Link works for me

Mc Love · 28-03-2015 1:44pm

option 2 looks to best option

cupthehand1 · 28-03-2015 11:54pm

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/community/consternation-over-new-foynes-to-limerick-road-1-6659299

Slightly farcical in that I know people whose land the road goes through and the first they had heard of it was down the local pub!

Pete_Cavan · 29-03-2015 4:46pm

cupthehand1 wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/community/consternation-over-new-foynes-to-limerick-road-1-6659299

Slightly farcical in that I know people whose land the road goes through and the first they had heard of it was down the local pub!

In fairness, the road does not go through anybodys land yet, nobody knows where the road will be. There are several possible corridors, with each corridor being 300m wide. There will be several hundred land owners on these corridors, a large percentage of whom who will not be affected by the road (those whos land is on a corridor not selected, those whos land is on the selected corridor but the final alignment does not go through their land). NRA cant engage individually with every possibly affected landowner at this stage because that will only result in a lot of wasted time for both the NRA and landowners not affected by the final alignment. There is an onus on the landowners in the area to inform themselves and engage with the process., the NRA can only do so much at this stage, hence the website, consultation meetings, etc. Just because some guy only found out about his land being on a corridor in the pub doesnt make it a farce, he was probably aware of the intention to build a new road in the area but failed to inform himself further. The information is out there and everybody is free to make a submission. When the final alignment is selected and those landowners who will actually be affected by the road are known, they will each be engaged on an individual basis and the CPO arrangements will ensure they are fairly compensated.

pajoguy · 29-03-2015 9:08pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

In fairness, the road does not go through anybodys land yet, nobody knows where the road will be. There are several possible corridors, with each corridor being 300m wide. There will be several hundred land owners on these corridors, a large percentage of whom who will not be affected by the road (those whos land is on a corridor not selected, those whos land is on the selected corridor but the final alignment does not go through their land). NRA cant engage individually with every possibly affected landowner at this stage because that will only result in a lot of wasted time for both the NRA and landowners not affected by the final alignment. There is an onus on the landowners in the area to inform themselves and engage with the process., the NRA can only do so much at this stage, hence the website, consultation meetings, etc. Just because some guy only found out about his land being on a corridor in the pub doesnt make it a farce, he was probably aware of the intention to build a new road in the area but failed to inform himself further. The information is out there and everybody is free to make a submission. When the final alignment is selected and those landowners who will actually be affected by the road are known, they will each be engaged on an individual basis and the CPO arrangements will ensure they are fairly compensated.

Absolutely spot in post I just hadnt the energy to make the points. Some people will claim they havent heard of it until the excavators arrive!

Irish_rat · 31-03-2015 7:09pm

This road is well down the priority list but it needs to be done eventually IMO. Option 2 looks good, surely it would incorporate some of the N21 as far as Rathkeale. That in turn would push it up to primary route improvement which should help with the waiting process.

Limerick74 · 10-04-2015 6:11pm

Final date for submissions on Public Consultation today see foyneslimerick.ie

Jack Sawyer · 15-05-2015 10:45am

Any news or developments?

Cookiemunster · 15-05-2015 11:14am

Jack Sawyer wrote: »

Any news or developments?

Public consultation only closed last month. The next stage is route selection which you probably won't hear anything about before the end of the year.

rliston · 15-05-2015 11:42pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Public consultation only closed last month. The next stage is route selection which you probably won't hear anything about before the end of the year.

A decision is to be made by December, possibly as early as September

Irish_rat · 04-06-2015 8:48am

Route corridor option 2 or 4 looks the best by far for benefits of both routes.

Is this really going to be pushed to tender by next year or 2017? Will be interesting to see. And is it HQDC?

Cookiemunster · 04-06-2015 9:18am

Irish_rat wrote: »

Route corridor option 2 or 4 looks the best by far for benefits of both routes.

Is this really going to be pushed to tender by next year or 2017? Will be interesting to see. And is it HQDC?

After route selection you've got design, EIS and then it has to go to planning. Highly unlikely to go to tender in that time period.

dashoonage · 27-08-2015 8:39am

Anyone know when in Sept this will be decided?

pajoguy · 29-09-2015 11:43pm

dashoonage wrote: »

Anyone know when in Sept this will be decided?

Well according to Patrick O'DonovanTD the scheme will make provision for an adare bypass so the decision must be made but not made public. 1 of the routes does not provide for an Adare bypass.
This is on his facebook page.

pajoguy · 29-09-2015 11:43pm

dashoonage wrote: »

Anyone know when in Sept this will be decided?

Well according to Patrick O'DonovanTD the scheme will make provision for an adare bypass so the decision must be made but not made public. 1 of the routes does not provide for an Adare bypass.
This is on his facebook page.

dashoonage · 30-09-2015 8:49am

pajoguy wrote: »

Well according to Patrick O'DonovanTD the scheme will make provision for an adare bypass so the decision must be made but not made public. 1 of the routes does not provide for an Adare bypass.
This is on his facebook page.

i'm on the route that doesnt go via adare and while i see it as good news it obviously isnt for people affected by the other routes.

Given that its on a politicians page ill wait for something more concrete. the news was probably brought to him by a mermaid riding a unicorn escorted by some flying pigs.

quizzical · 30-09-2015 9:04am

I thought the Adare bypass was part of this EU Funding for the New N69 Road, So why did the Government yesterday claim they are paying for it??? I'm just a bit confused??

Cookiemunster · 30-09-2015 11:23am

quizzical wrote: »

I thought the Adare bypass was part of this EU Funding for the New N69 Road, So why did the Government yesterday claim they are paying for it??? I'm just a bit confused??

They didn't. The N69 and N28 are both listed as having EU funding.

quizzical · 30-09-2015 11:53am

Yes that is correct I know that... but the Adare Bypass is already included in the plans with the new N69 which is EU funded. The bypass plans are already on the Blue,Green, Orange routes...
I'm just wondering why the government are saying they are paying for the Adare bypass when technically they are not telling the full truth....

This was their announcement yesterday
M7 widening & Sallins bypass
N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange
N22 Ballyvourney / Macroom bypass
N4 Collooney to Castlebaldwin
N5 Westport to Turlough
N56 Dungloe to Glenties
N56 Mountcharles to Inver
N59 Moycullen bypass
New bridge and approach roads in Sligo (Sligo western bypass?)
Other schemes will be progressed subject to planning including:
Shannon Crossing Bridge at Killaloe
N6 Galway By-Pass,
N72 Mallow Relief Road
N21 Adare By-Pass
N2 Slane By-Pass
N28 Cork to Ringaskiddy road (EU funded)
N69 Shannon to Foynes road (EU funded)
Athy Southern Distributor Road
Portlaoise Southern Distributor Road
Phase 4 of Dingle Relief road
Laytown to Bettystown Link road.
Also included are the 3 PPPs, New Ross, Enniscorthy and Gort-Tuam
In addition, Roads will be upgraded into Grange Castle Business Park in West Dublin to provide access for a number of global industries.

I hope I am getting across what I am trying to say

Limerick74 · 30-09-2015 11:56am

I do not see any mention of EU Funding for the N69 or N28 schemes in the Capital Investment Plan or press releases yesterday. If there is to be any EU funding for the TEN-T schemes then this will only be part funding (i.e. 10% -20%) with government paying the rest.

Cookiemunster · 30-09-2015 11:59am

quizzical wrote: »

Yes that is correct I know that... but the Adare Bypass is already included in the plans with the new N69 which is EU funded. The bypass plans are already on the Blue,Green, Orange routes...
I'm just wondering why the government are saying they are paying for the Adare bypass when technically they are not telling the full truth....

I hope I am getting across what I am trying to say

Ah right I get you now. It's a bit disingenuous to say that the Adare bypass is going to be a separate scheme alright.

Irish_rat · 30-09-2015 7:43pm

Why are people surprised by what the government are publishing.

The capital plan announcement is for the sheep who actually think there is 27 billion or whatever being invested.

They kept the Adare Bypass as a separate project to make the list look bigger.

Not that clever.

spacetweek · 30-09-2015 8:23pm

Irish_rat wrote: »

Why are people surprised by what the government are publishing.

The capital plan announcement is for the sheep who actually think there is 27 billion or whatever being invested.

Keep it to the Politics thread please.

dashoonage · 10-11-2015 12:37pm

anyone heard any more on this ?

Treepole · 10-11-2015 1:57pm

dashoonage wrote: »

anyone heard any more on this ?

There will be an announcement on the preferred route in a couple of weeks

dashoonage · 18-11-2015 10:38am

So this leads me to believe the route has been selected?

anyone any idea what it is?

http://www.limerick.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/foynes_limerick_road_improvement_scheme.pdf

Cookiemunster · 18-11-2015 10:44am

dashoonage wrote: »

So this leads me to believe the route has been selected?

anyone any idea what it is?

http://www.limerick.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/foynes_limerick_road_improvement_scheme.pdf

All will be revealed on Dec 1st.

dashoonage · 18-11-2015 10:50am

Lads....this some big secret isnt it! is there going to be a parade and some dancing clowns or something ?

Treepole · 18-11-2015 12:25pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

All will be revealed on Dec 1st.

Or more likely the last day before they leave for their Christmas holidays.

Cookiemunster · 18-11-2015 1:12pm

Treepole wrote: »

Or more likely the last day before they leave for their Christmas holidays.

Well seeing as the first public display of the preferred route is December 1st I'd say it'll be December 1st. :rolleyes:

quizzical · 18-11-2015 1:54pm

What colour route is your money on and why?? Would love to hear your opinions??

AugustusMinimus · 18-11-2015 1:58pm

Are we expecting this to be a 2+2?

spacetweek · 18-11-2015 1:59pm

Anything apart from purple.

dashoonage · 18-11-2015 3:40pm

My money is on the study showing a new ferry service from foynes to limerick for HGV's is a more viable option. It will run twice daily and take four trucks. Of course the outcome of this is based upon a new study to see the effects of adding four trucks a day to city centre traffic, and incorporates a no left turn when exiting Limerick port...to ensure the sneaky truckers use the tunnel.

Chris_5339762 · 18-11-2015 6:34pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Are we expecting this to be a 2+2?

Motorway, definitely to what is (hopefully) an M21/M69 split. As to whether the N69 will be 'M', who knows.

Treepole · 18-11-2015 10:34pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Motorway, definitely to what is (hopefully) an M21/M69 split. As to whether the N69 will be 'M', who knows.

It won't be a motorway.

Vanquished · 18-11-2015 11:37pm

The Adare bypass element will be motorway (M21) and that may stretch to Rathkeale depending on the route chosen.

The interchange with a new N69 will be interesting. If it's a freeflow design like a trumpet then according to regulations at least a portion of that will have to be under motorway restrictions also as it would lead inescapably to a motorway.

Of course if they go for something cheaper like a dumbbell or grade separated roundabout then that scenario is avoided.

M21 - Limerick to Rathkeale/Foynes [advance works to commence shortly]

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