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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #842
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #843
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Godge wrote: »
    I have done more than a module in economics as you well know.

    On another thread I told you it was two modules (out of eight) in one of my masters' degrees, and I used much of it in the thesis I wrote for that. It also formed a substantive part of my first primary degree. Nowadays, it would probably be enough to allow me to call myself an economist but in those days we didn't have a credit system that would allow that.

    Don't let that stop your ridiculous personal attacks though.
    Truly, what chance do the OECD have in the face of such towering intellect. Call yourself an expert economist then why don't you.
    (I'll still go with the OECD's opinion thanks).


  • #844
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I claim it? Sorry, in case you hadn't noticed, it's the OECD that's claiming it. Apologies now if I take their word for it over yours. I'm just like that with respected multinational research bodies and randomers on the internet.

    Remember the OECD review of the PS here? They reckoned we'd one of the best in the world - were they right?


  • #845
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Article printed 2014.
    "Irish specialists earned an average €171,000 last year,"
    Now, you do the math. What year is that?


  • #846
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Remember the OECD review of the PS here? They reckoned we'd one of the best in the world - were they right?
    Let's see now, is that attack, ridicule or divert? Hmmm, must be divert. Let's go with divert.


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  • #847
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Just as an aside then - if the OECD is so wonderful do you accept their conclusion that the Irish tax system is the most progressive in Europe?

    And that bring the case what's the rationale for SF's proposal to penalise hard work and success by extremely high marginal rates of tax?

    Or is your endorsement of the OECD selective?
    Attack. Ridicule. Divert.
    What has this to do with the health service?


  • #848
    Permabear
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  • #849
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Article printed 2014.
    "Irish specialists earned an average €171,000 last year,"
    Now, you do the math. What year is that?

    Article?

    So that's a no on the data then?


  • #850
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Let's see now, is that attack, ridicule or divert? Hmmm, must be divert. Let's go with divert.
    It must be very annoying seeing your own tactics used against you! ;)


  • #851
    Permabear
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  • #852
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Poor dears. Only €127,000. Just as well it's nothing to do with the money. (unless you are calling Irish doctors liars). Are these the same doctors moaning about the OECD research? You know, the liar ones?


  • #853
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Article?
    Amazing. He want the link for the THIRD time in the same thread.


  • #854
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Godge did a module on economics once apparently. He's an expert. Take that OECD! What would you amateurs know! He hates SF so you're wrong!

    Mod: Softly now


  • #855
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    It must be very annoying seeing your own tactics used against you! ;)
    Well that's an agreement that it's whataboutery anyway. Funny you didn't feel the need to point this out yourself. Biased much?


  • #856
    Permabear
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  • #857
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Attack. Ridicule. Divert.
    What has this to do with the health service?

    That people are quite happy to accept and dismiss organisations like the OECD on a whim.

    For example when the OECD say the Government's Action Plan for Jobs is working - do you accept their report as readily?


  • #858
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Amazing. He want the link for the THIRD time in the same thread.

    Sorry the tone of incredulity was not properly conveyed.

    I'm not interested in articles, it's the data I'd like to see? You've been quick enough to disparage the publishing of articles by others, perhaps it would be better if you could just post up a link to the data.

    Anyone can write an article.


  • #859
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I claim it? Sorry, in case you hadn't noticed, it's the OECD that's claiming it. Apologies now if I take their word for it over yours. I'm just like that with respected multinational research bodies and randomers on the internet.

    You have posted a link to a newspaper report of the OECD report, you haven't actually posted a link to the OECD report itself.

    You see, non-experts like journalists like to sensationalise aspects of OECD reports without understanding the full report and the full details. If you have a link to the report itself, I might be able to help you out in understanding it.


  • #860
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    Plus a 23% VAT rate, dodgy VRT rates on top of the VAT on cars, bills for schoolbooks etc every year (which most other countries don't have), €50+ euros to see a GP (free in the UK), some of the most expensive prescription drug prices in the EU (capped at around £7 in the UK) etc etc etc....
    And then people still wonder why we have to pay our doctors so much to stick around and still have to hire a third of them from abroad. Hard to see them sticking around when Sinn Fein slashes their pay by more than a third...


  • #861
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Well that's an agreement that it's whataboutery anyway. Funny you didn't feel the need to point this out yourself. Biased much?
    Wait - I must have missed all the times you pointed out your own bias. Perhaps you could share links to some of your biased posts? :pac:


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  • #862
    frankbrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭frankbrett


    Jawgap wrote: »
    That people are quite happy to accept and dismiss organisations like the OECD on a whim.

    For example when the OECD say the Government's Action Plan for Jobs is working - do you accept their report as readily?

    The OECD know nothing- they didn't even notice that no jobs were being created for people not in the labour force.


  • #863
    LeeMajors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭LeeMajors


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    And then people still wonder why we have to pay our doctors so much to stick around and still have to hire a third of them from abroad. Hard to see them sticking around when Sinn Fein slashes their pay by more than a third...

    They're leaving in their droves under FG according to yourself and 33% of them have to be hired from abroad.

    You think that's about money?

    That's about having a dysfunctional HSE running the show.


  • #864
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    frankbrett wrote: »
    The OECD know nothing- they didn't even notice that no jobs were being created for people not in the labour force.
    It breaks my heart to think of all those unemployed babies. :(


  • #865
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Godge wrote: »
    You have posted a link to a newspaper report of the OECD report, you haven't actually posted a link to the OECD report itself.

    You see, non-experts like journalists like to sensationalise aspects of OECD reports without understanding the full report and the full details. If you have a link to the report itself, I might be able to help you out in understanding it.

    Articles in newspapers have inevitable gone through various filters - first the press team will write the press release (designed to get publicity), then the journo will write the article (basically re-write the press release) before the sub-editor does their thing.

    If the data can be put up we get the full context.


  • #866
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Godge wrote: »
    You have posted a link to a newspaper report of the OECD report, you haven't actually posted a link to the OECD report itself.

    You see, non-experts like journalists like to sensationalise aspects of OECD reports without understanding the full report and the full details. If you have a link to the report itself, I might be able to help you out in understanding it.
    I assume from your posting here you have access to the internet?
    Don't think I need your expert help if you can't locate an OECD publication TBH.


  • #867
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    LeeMajors wrote: »
    They're leaving in their droves under FG according to yourself and 33% of them have to be hired from abroad.

    You think that's about money?
    I think it's about a number of things. Money is a big one though.

    Slashing their pay - as SF plan - isn't exactly going to make them stick around/come her to work.

    The current health service minus lots of doctors = a lot worse health service


  • #868
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Wait - I must have missed all the times you pointed out your own bias. Perhaps you could share links to some of your biased posts? :pac:
    Ah JFC, I don't expect people to point out their own biases! Just noting you're happy to skip whataboutery from one side and dive in with laughable failed ridicule when I point it out in others.


  • #869
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Ah JFC, I don't expect people to point out their own biases!
    That's lucky, eh?


  • #870
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Articles in newspapers have inevitable gone through various filters - first the press team will write the press release (designed to get publicity), then the journo will write the article (basically re-write the press release) before the sub-editor does their thing.

    If the data can be put up we get the full context.
    Ahem.
    Jawgap wrote: »
    That people are quite happy to accept and dismiss organisations like the OECD on a whim.

    For example when the OECD say the Government's Action Plan for Jobs is working - do you accept their report as readily?
    Is "lack of self awareness" one of those filters you're talking about?


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  • #871
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    That's lucky, eh?
    I know! You'd hardly have time to post any other rubbish!


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