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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #812
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Oh, you didn't bother to read the post I was replying to:

    Just pointing out that we've already had a pension pot stolen by our government.
    I wrote the post you were replying to.

    The NPRF and private sector pension funds were dipped into by the government, with no guarantees they won't do this again.

    This also has nothing to do with the point I was making about the lunacy of SF proposals to standard rate pensions.


  • #813
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    hmmm wrote: »
    I wrote the post you were replying to.

    The NPRF and private sector pension funds were dipped into by the government, with no guarantees they won't do this again.

    This also has nothing to do with the point I was making about the lunacy of SF proposals to standard rate pensions.
    If pensions being stolen have nothing to do with your point, why did you specifically mention it?
    Anyway, it's a matter of whether you think you can trust the guys who stole pensions before or some other guys (you'll probably have to if it's a FF/FG coalition).


  • #814
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #815
    JacquesDeLad
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 969 ✭✭✭JacquesDeLad


    I heard from a source close to Sinn Fein that they plan to increase the number of doctors by retraining young offenders through general medical FAS courses. Within two years there'll be thousands of doctors and there'll be no one on a hospital waiting list.

    I have to hand it to them. That it is really thinking outside box.


  • #816
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Since it apparently has nothing to do with the salary (unless you are calling Irish doctors liars), then it must be the conditions rather than the salary is stopping them coming. They could afford more doctors if they didn't pay them double the UK rate, and then they wouldn't have to work so hard thus improving conditions immensely.


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  • #817
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    If pensions being stolen have nothing to do with your point, why did you specifically mention it?
    Anyway, it's a matter of whether you think you can trust the guys who stole pensions before or some other guys (you'll probably have to if it's a FF/FG coalition).
    Investing in a pension involves locking your money away for decades. If you think a government might steal it, you are less likely to want to put money into a pension. If you are getting taxed twice, you'll be even less likely again.

    The only reason for a private sector worker to put money into a pension today is the higher rate tax break. Lose that, and you'd be crazy to save in a pension.


  • #818
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #819
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    That Irish doctors are liars? That Irish doctors are so greedy they need over twice the UK consultant wage to work here?
    I'd be happy to double the medical class sizes if it meant they didn't feel quite so rock star when they get their job.


  • #820
    Permabear
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  • #821
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Now why don't I? LOL. Because I don't have to.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-hospital-consultants-among-highest-paid-in-the-world-1.1850847
    (I already provided this link, but glad to be of service since you skipped it first time around)


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  • #822
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Since it apparently has nothing to do with the salary (unless you are calling Irish doctors liars), then it must be the conditions rather than the salary is stopping them coming. They could afford more doctors if they didn't pay them double the UK rate, and then they wouldn't have to work so hard thus improving conditions immensely.
    Slash their pay over a third and watch them queue up to work for us.

    Seriously, Dan? :confused:

    Why don't we slash nurses' pay by 50% too? Then we'll have twice as many nurses!

    Is there any job this doesn't work for?


  • #823
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #824
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    That Irish doctors are liars?
    You really are pinning a lot of faith on one survey. Does everybody always tell the absolute truth in every survey?


  • #825
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Now why don't I? LOL. Because I don't have to.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/irish-hospital-consultants-among-highest-paid-in-the-world-1.1850847
    (I already provided this link, but glad to be of service since you skipped it first time around)
    This just shows that - as we already know - doctors need to be paid a premium to work in Ireland because...it's so fantastic here...


  • #826
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Ah come on, this is the Sinn Fein appreciation internet boards, you can't be posting empirical evidence that demolishes the theoretical fantasy economics of the magic money tree.


  • #827
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    By who? Oh I wonder I wonder I wonder why you don't want to say?
    The Irish Hospital Consultants’ Association said last night that the OECD data had many inconsistencies and distortions
    So the guys getting paid twice the UK rate say they're not. Well blow me down.
    Uh-oh... Establishmentnomics meets reality, again.


  • #828
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So the guys getting paid twice the UK rate say they're not. Well blow me down.
    Uh-oh... Establishmentnomics meets reality, again.
    If it's so great working here, why do we have to import a third of our doctors from abroad? :confused:


  • #829
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    You really are pinning a lot of faith on one survey. Does everybody always tell the absolute truth in every survey?
    Well if you want to confirm that Irish doctors are liars that's fine. I was only proposing it as one of the possibilities.


  • #830
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    If it's so great working here, why do we have to import a third of our doctors from abroad? :confused:
    So the health service is ****e and doctors don't want to work here... gee, that'd have nothing to do with the doctors working here would it? They've no connection at all to the current **** health service, do they?


  • #831
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Godge wrote: »
    Ah come on, this is the Sinn Fein appreciation internet boards, you can't be posting empirical evidence that demolishes the theoretical fantasy economics of the magic money tree.
    Godge did a module on economics once apparently. He's an expert. Take that OECD! What would you amateurs know! He hates SF so you're wrong!


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  • #832
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    If it's so great working here, why do we have to import a third of our doctors from abroad? :confused:

    The obvious answer would be that we don't produce enough doctors our own......

    .......except we do. Irish med schools turn out more than enough grads to fill all the junior doctor posts - so not only should we be asking why we need to import so many, but also why so many leave.

    Also a significant proportion of imports don't stay on to finish their rotations - obviously they make loads of money and can retire early ;)


  • #833
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #834
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #835
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I think it's only right that net and gross are published for comparison too - no point in earning twice the gross if you're getting smashed for tax etc


  • #836
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So the health service is ****e and doctors don't want to work here... gee, that'd have nothing to do with the doctors working here would it? They've no connection at all to the current **** health service, do they?
    Sorry Dan - you are telling us that we pay so much that even if we cut pay by more than a third - per Sinn Fein proposals - they will still be queueing around the block to work here.

    But for some reason we have to import thousands of doctors to work here even at current levels of pay. I think your arguments don't stack up.


  • #837
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    I claim it? Sorry, in case you hadn't noticed, it's the OECD that's claiming it. Apologies now if I take their word for it over yours. I'm just like that with respected multinational research bodies and randomers on the internet.


  • #838
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #839
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Godge did a module on economics once apparently. He's an expert. Take that OECD! What would you amateurs know! He hates SF so you're wrong!


    I have done more than a module in economics as you well know.

    On another thread I told you it was two modules (out of eight) in one of my masters' degrees, and I used much of it in the thesis I wrote for that. It also formed a substantive part of my first primary degree. Nowadays, it would probably be enough to allow me to call myself an economist but in those days we didn't have a credit system that would allow that.

    Don't let that stop your ridiculous personal attacks though.


  • #840
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Oh, so you didn't read it at all. Why, don't you like the title or something?
    It's effective salary when cost of living are taken into account. You know, just like you asked.
    Calm down yourself (and read the full article if you can possibly find the time between uninformed posts here).


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  • #841
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I claim it? Sorry, in case you hadn't noticed, it's the OECD that's claiming it. Apologies now if I take their word for it over yours. I'm just like that with respected multinational research bodies and randomers on the internet.

    Just as an aside then - if the OECD is so wonderful do you accept their conclusion that the Irish tax system is the most progressive in Europe?

    And that bring the case what's the rationale for SF's proposal to penalise hard work and success by extremely high marginal rates of tax?

    Or is your endorsement of the OECD selective?


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