Has Ireland gotten so bad?

Call Me Jimmy · 12-03-2015 2:43pm

Just buy two phones. sorted

Hoop66 · 12-03-2015 2:44pm

At least Ireland hasn't become so bad that people are saying things like "gotten".

c_man · 12-03-2015 2:54pm

It's very bad here to be honest. It'll be that way until the government get off their asses and ok the deployment of ED-209s for civil pacification.

FunLover18 · 12-03-2015 2:55pm

Hoop66 wrote: »

At least Ireland hasn't become so bad that people are saying things like "gotten".

I always say 'gotten'. It's fallen out of use in UK English but it is a word with roots in British English.

Bob24 · 12-03-2015 2:57pm

dont bother wrote: »

Ireland has not gotten worse - it's still the same horrible dump it always was - that's the problem, nothing has changed for the better since the place was foolishly taken away from british rule...

the only thing maybe that has gotten worse is the attitudes of all the d!ckheads that live here and think too much of themselves.

I first came to Dublin (from France) in 2004 so I don't know about 30 years ago. But in the past 10 years my perception is that I definitely used to feel much safer in Dublin than in a large French city (one average, of course Dublin already had dodgy areas to be avoided), but that nowadays I would probably not feel that way any more.

I know the grass is always greener elsewhere and with time you tend to notice more issues with the place you live in - but really I can't remember of any my friends being victims of crime until 4-5 years ago, while there have been quite many incidents the past 3-4 years.

Maybe it all that immigration from France :-)

murpho999 · 12-03-2015 3:03pm

Hardly a surprise that Mobile phone theft has gone up as we're all using expensive smart phones.

Of course this is only a problem in Ireland, particularly in Dublin and mobile phone theft is non existent elsewhere especially in countries where ex-pats live.

syklops · 12-03-2015 3:07pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

basic street smarts should be taught in secondary school

Basic street smarts should come flippin naturally.

Nodin · 12-03-2015 3:07pm

dont bother wrote: »

Ireland has not gotten worse - it's still the same horrible dump it always was - that's the problem, nothing has changed for the better since the place was foolishly taken away from british rule...

the only thing maybe that has gotten worse is the attitudes of all the d!ckheads that live here and think too much of themselves.

Well aren't you todays ray of sunshine.

12-03-2015 3:10pm

Serious victim-blaming going on here.

Bob24 · 12-03-2015 3:16pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Hardly a surprise that Mobile phone theft has gone up as we're all using expensive smart phones.

Of course this is only a problem in Ireland, particularly in Dublin and mobile phone theft is non existent elsewhere especially in countries where ex-pats live.

True, if it is happening in other places it is definitely OK to have it in Ireland then.

Btw - many expats in Singapore, Hong Kong, Seoul, or Shanghai... and I feel much safer about my phone there (only to list places I have actually been to).

SeanW · 12-03-2015 3:59pm

kowloon wrote: »

On the bright side, we have some fabulous new halal water.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I blame Muslim water meter installers with a gay agenda.

MonkieSocks wrote: »

Yep....Muslimins, stealing our water, just so they can have something to dip their Salad In.

BoJack Horseman · 12-03-2015 4:05pm

Isn't phone theft much lower now that every operator can block the imei from being used with any sim card & smart phones can be remotely wiped.

Seems stealing an inert piece of plastic is now futile.

Caliden · 12-03-2015 4:08pm

I simply can't understand why people don't insure something worth 600 quid. (most high end smartphones).

KungPao · 12-03-2015 4:13pm

Janey mack, what next huh?

People stealing your watch?

Bob24 · 12-03-2015 4:14pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Isn't phone theft much lower now that every operator can block the imei from being used with any sim card & smart phones can be remotely wiped.

Seems stealing an inert piece of plastic is now futile.

imei blocking is not always done properly and in any case it is not an international system so you just need to sell the phone in another country.

Apple's activation lock helps much more as it is international and the phone is blocked if you don't know the password for the Apple account of the genuine owner.

It did have some effect on theft numbers.
But you still have guys stealing iPhones and selling them 50-100 euros "for parts" or abusing people who don't know about this and don't make sure the phone is accepting a new account before buying it. They are not even hiding to do that - see the ones which are marked "Apple locked", "iCloud locked", "Activation locked", or "ID locked" on adverts.ie: http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/q_iphone+locked/

creolebelle · 12-03-2015 4:19pm

The police over here tell people the same thing over here in the states.
I don't thinks it's a reflection of whether or not a country is deteriorating.
Several of my friends have had their mobiles snatched out their hands or pockets. This was in NYC

punisher5112 · 12-03-2015 4:30pm

Gardai should do sting operations and employ chuck Norris he would have the city sorted in no time.

You need to think of it this way the guys that are robbing are career criminals and this is their job which they are good at.

It doesn't matter where you are if you present an easy opportunity someone will most likely be there to take it.

As others have side try not to let the call consume your complete attention to what is going on.

If you have a expensive phone and are using it cover it with as much of your hand and fingers as possible because as I would see most just have a finger pressing to ear which makes it easy to get another hand on it to grab.

KungPao · 12-03-2015 4:43pm

I am going to get one of those dog toy phones, like Fr. Dougal buys, and walk around Dublin 1. When some boyo steals it and thinks he's scored big, he'll soon have egg on his face.

Squeak squeak.

1-0 to me.

Bob24 · 12-03-2015 4:47pm

KungPao wrote: »

I am going to get one of those dog toy phones, like Fr. Dougal buys, and walk around Dublin 1. When some boyo steals it and thinks he's scored big, he'll soon have egg on his face.

Squeak squeak.

1-0 to me.

Before one of his buddies who was operating as his cover punches you from behind. 1-1.

Seriously, I am not sure this is a good idea ...

SEPT 23 1989 · 12-03-2015 4:54pm

a city can't run on discipline and punishment alone

murpho999 · 12-03-2015 5:18pm

Caliden wrote: »

I simply can't understand why people don't insure something worth 600 quid. (most high end smartphones).

I think the insurance costs are ridiculous. Ranging from €79-100.

Compare that as a percentage of the value. Then do the same thing with car insurance where and you'll realise how gadget insurance is a rip off.

I'll take my chances as I have also heard that getting a claim paid is also very difficult.

TwoShedsJackson · 12-03-2015 5:20pm

murpho999 wrote: »

I think the insurance costs are ridiculous. Ranging from €79-100.

Compare that as a percentage of the value. Then do the same thing with car insurance where and you'll realise how gadget insurance is a rip off.

I'll take my chances as I have also heard that getting a claim paid is also very difficult.

Something like 4% of mobile phone insurance claims are paid out - they have plenty of clauses to cover them to try and dodge it. True of all insurance of course but particularly bad for phone, which also happen to be relatively small and valuable so are lovely theft targets.

AllGunsBlazing · 12-03-2015 5:29pm

I remember going on family trips to Dublin in the early 80s that were planned with near military precision. It was a far more dangerous place back then. Trust me.

corner of hells · 12-03-2015 5:45pm

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

I remember going on family trips to Dublin in the early 80s that were planned with near military precision. It was a far more dangerous place back then. Trust me.

Apt user name . Was this the 1880s ?

punisher5112 · 12-03-2015 5:48pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Apt user name . Was this the 1880s ?

Must have been when they washed in the street and threw buckets of waste out on the street.

Now we have the walking dead for real and all for free.

Rezident · 12-03-2015 6:00pm

Dublin city centre is getting worse, and it was bad to begin with. Even at lunchtime on a weekday the number of skangers and junkies is depressing.

Desolation Of Smug · 12-03-2015 6:36pm

Rezident wrote: »

Dublin city centre is getting worse, and it was bad to begin with. Even at lunchtime on a weekday the number of skangers and junkies is depressing.

No it isn't. Walk down Sherrif St carrying a mobile phone now and you've a very high chance of reaching the other end still in possession of a mobile phone. Do that in the 1980's and you'd be in possession of a breeze-block neatly jammed into your head, many bruises and no phone. Dublin has gotten better. Much better. In fact, it's positively sanitised compared to most Capital Cities.

Uncle Ben · 12-03-2015 6:42pm

jester77 wrote: »

Just saw an article where the Gardai recommend people not to use their mobile phones in public places.

I haven't lived in Ireland in about 15 years, has the country really gotten that bad?

The bombings have stopped!!

AllGunsBlazing · 12-03-2015 6:47pm

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

No it isn't. Walk down Sherrif St carrying a mobile phone now and you've a very high chance of reaching the other end still in possession of a mobile phone. Do that in the 1980's and you'd be in possession of a breeze-block neatly jammed into your head, many bruises and no phone. Dublin has gotten better. Much better. In fact, it's positively sanitised compared to most Capital Cities.

Sherrif St. The mere mention of it's name was enough to send a shiver down your spine.:pac:

masti123 · 12-03-2015 6:49pm

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

No it isn't. Walk down Sherrif St carrying a mobile phone now and you've a very high chance of reaching the other end still in possession of a mobile phone. Do that in the 1980's and you'd be in possession of a breeze-block neatly jammed into your head, many bruises and no phone. Dublin has gotten better. Much better. In fact, it's positively sanitised compared to most Capital Cities.

I agree, Sherrif St has obviously gotten way better but walk through other areas like Dolphins Barn, cherry orchard, neilstown or whatever. There's a fairly high change of getting mugged. Knocking down the flats in Sherrif St didn't solve the problem, just relocated it to somewhere more out of view. Some areas are improving, others declining, sadly.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 12-03-2015 7:04pm

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Pros & Cons I suppose, you don't need to cover your mobile in turd and razor blades over there I imagine. Your biggest concern regarding personal safety is probably avoiding skiing into a tree at the weekend.

Here, you leave your "good" mobile at home and carry an old undesirable one around with you during the day as at some stage here, if you stick around for long enough, being robbed is a likely event.

Again, Ireland is somewhere in the middle. A good place to be.

Where do you live Magico?

Riesen_Meal · 12-03-2015 7:13pm

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

No it isn't. Walk down Sherrif St carrying a mobile phone now and you've a very high chance of reaching the other end still in possession of a mobile phone. Do that in the 1980's and you'd be in possession of a breeze-block neatly jammed into your head, many bruises and no phone. Dublin has gotten better. Much better. In fact, it's positively sanitised compared to most Capital Cities.

True that - I was in Sheriff Street all day today using my phone's GPS and talking on it for work - loads of scaldies and junkballs around who didn't bat an eyelid and I'm somehow typing this post from said Nexus 5....

murpho999 · 12-03-2015 7:22pm

masti123 wrote: »

I agree, Sherrif St has obviously gotten way better but walk through other areas like Dolphins Barn, cherry orchard, neilstown or whatever. There's a fairly high change of getting mugged. Knocking down the flats in Sherrif St didn't solve the problem, just relocated it to somewhere more out of view. Some areas are improving, others declining, sadly.

You know what, there isn't really.

Despite what the media and internet warriors would have you believe, crime in Dublin and Ireland is really quite low.

PucaMama · 12-03-2015 7:37pm

This kind of advice is regularly given by gardai etc because it's easier for them to give advice than act and do their job and make the streets safe for normal people to do normal things. Mobile phones are made to be used anywhere why the hell are these little scumbags who spend their time robbing people allowed to impact so much on other people's lives.

murpho999 · 12-03-2015 7:46pm

PucaMama wrote: »

This kind of advice is regularly given by gardai etc because it's easier for them to give advice than act and do their job and make the streets safe for normal people to do normal things. Mobile phones are made to be used anywhere why the hell are these little scumbags who spend their time robbing people allowed to impact so much on other people's lives.

In fairness to the Gardai you can't expect them to be responsible for everything and be able to prevent every little crime.

I think the advice is good and we should all be using common sense.

One tip, is to use the headphones within line microphone if making calls when out and about.
Phone can stay securely in pocket then.

PucaMama · 12-03-2015 7:48pm

murpho999 wrote: »

In fairness to the Gardai you can't expect them to be responsible for everything and be able to prevent every little crime.

I think the advice is good and we should all be using common sense.

One tip, is to use the headphones within line microphone if making calls when out and about.
Phone can stay securely in pocket then.

Isn't crime prevention and punishment their one job?

darlenmol · 12-03-2015 7:57pm

what next? No farting in trousers.

Kalman · 12-03-2015 7:58pm

Does this just apply to Dublin City, surely not Ireland in general ?

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-03-2015 7:59pm

PucaMama wrote: »

Isn't crime prevention and punishment their one job?

True

How high should we raise taxes so we can have a guard on every street corner?

12-03-2015 8:00pm

PucaMama wrote: »

Isn't crime prevention and punishment their one job?

Punishment? You been watching Judge Dredd?

Cody montana · 12-03-2015 8:00pm

Try residing in any major city in the world.
Ireland is a doped up pussy cat compared to other places.

PucaMama · 12-03-2015 8:02pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

True

How high should we raise taxes so we can have a guard on every street corner?

You think it's a lack of money? Or maybe laziness? Or not having gardai out on their feet on the streets instead of sitting in stations

PucaMama · 12-03-2015 8:02pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Punishment? You been watching Judge Dredd?

I love that film. But no I don't think so.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 12-03-2015 8:04pm

For what it's worth I currently live in Colombia and previously lived in Korea. The latter has virtually no crime and I was genuinely shocked when I heard of the smallest theft. Colombia, as you might have guessed, has a lot more crime than Ireland and almost everyone gets mugged at some point.

So Ireland does seem very much in the middle to me.

masti123 · 12-03-2015 8:08pm

murpho999 wrote: »

You know what, there isn't really.

Despite what the media and internet warriors would have you believe, crime in Dublin and Ireland is really quite low.

It actually is, I live in one of these areas myself and have done since I was born. I've had friends and heard multiple stories of people getting mugged, beaten for no reason. Stuff you wouldn't hear about unless you actually live here. I don't mean to be Mr negative, its just the way it is.

Don't rely on statistics for information when you're talking about crime, Alot of stuff happen that the Gardai don't know about since there is little or no cooperation between the gardai and the community

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-03-2015 8:09pm

PucaMama wrote: »

You think it's a lack of money? Or maybe laziness? Or not having gardai out on their feet on the streets instead of sitting in stations

You honestly believe there are enough gardai to cover all areas at all times to prevent crime?

Desolation Of Smug · 12-03-2015 8:32pm

masti123 wrote: »

I agree, Sherrif St has obviously gotten way better but walk through other areas like Dolphins Barn, cherry orchard, neilstown or whatever. There's a fairly high change of getting mugged. Knocking down the flats in Sherrif St didn't solve the problem, just relocated it to somewhere more out of view. Some areas are improving, others declining, sadly.

Not really. You can wander through Ballymun, Neilstown, Dolphins barn, Blanch, or wherever you choose, pretty much without fear or harrasment. Dublins a nice city. There's plenty of places in London where if you wander in, you genuinely have a good to excellent chance of not wandering out. Or pop across to Los Angeles, or pretty much anywhere tbh. Dublins grand.

murpho999 · 12-03-2015 8:40pm

PucaMama wrote: »

Isn't crime prevention and punishment their one job?

Eh...no it's not actually.

Even so, how would you expect them from preventing petty crime (which is what phone theft is).
You are asking way too much.

LDN_Irish · 12-03-2015 8:51pm

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

Not really. You can wander through Ballymun, Neilstown, Dolphins barn, Blanch, or wherever you choose, pretty much without fear or harrasment. Dublins a nice city. There's plenty of places in London where if you wander in, you genuinely have a good to excellent chance of not wandering out. Or pop across to Los Angeles, or pretty much anywhere tbh. Dublins grand.

I can't really speak for those places but if you take what people in South Dublin think is a rough area as examples, it becomes clear that we've got it good here compared to other places. I've heard Ballybrack, Monkstown farm, shankill north of the church, bray etc described as rough, awful, "no go areas at night" and it's complete bollocks. These areas have problems and a bit of violence goes on, but if you drive through at night you'll see people walking around and most of the time there's no problems.

Compare that to London, which admittedly hs about 7 times as many people. People over there, mostly young men, get stabbed or beaten to death all the time. And even being in a predominantly prosperous place like Greenwich or Islington you can come face to face with a situation that you won't be able to talk you're way out of. There are hundreds of estates over there that make any Dublin blocks of flats look like a step up for the inhabitants.

Yes, Dublin has problems, but I'm reminded of the Hangover: "But did you die?!"

blackdog2 · 12-03-2015 8:58pm

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I can't really speak for those places but if you take what people in South Dublin think is a rough area as examples, it becomes clear that we've got it good here compared to other places. I've heard Ballybrack, Monkstown farm, shankill north of the church, bray etc described as rough, awful, "no go areas at night" and it's complete bollocks. These areas have problems and a bit of violence goes on, but if you drive through at night you'll see people walking around and most of the time there's no problems.

Compare that to London, which admittedly hs about 7 times as many people. People over there, mostly young men, get stabbed or beaten to death all the time. And even being in a predominantly prosperous place like Greenwich or Islington you can come face to face with a situation that you won't be able to talk you're way out of. There are hundreds of estates over there that make any Dublin blocks of flats look like a step up for the inhabitants.

Yes, Dublin has problems, but I'm reminded of the Hangover: "But did you die?!"

I lived in Peckham for 6 months when I was 17, and to be honest most of the violence I heard of when I was there was gang on gang. There was a far greater police presence, far less evidence of drugs/muggings, and in general never felt tense. Not like in Dublin anyway.

Has Ireland gotten so bad?

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