People who hire hookers?

Each to their own. There is a reason why selling sex is one of the oldest professions in the world. Some people just want sex and see it as food or water. Just a need to be fulfilled. In all honesty though I would or never could do it. I just value establishing a connection even if it's a drunken messy one as important. The idea of paying someone for sex gives me a cold and methodical feeling. Not what having sex is to me I guess.

Baby Jane wrote: »

The First Wives Club was on TV just there - I loathe that "Independent women girrrrrl!", "Men are all pigs", "Bleed him dry sista!" stuff.
Really lets the side down.

Same time though, some reading this thread would be led to believe gold-digging and screwing a man over and being untrustworthy and demanding divas... well that's just the way women are. In other words: the exact same mindset towards women as that of the women in the First Wives Club and their ilk towards men.

I did a little experimental observation tonight, went to spin class and while walking into the gym, passing women I would utter a smile, hold doors open and be courteous. Not one girl even said cheers or acknowledged it. Miserable ***** the lot of them. It got to the stage where I said 'your welcome'.

Is it just a woman thing to go around looking miserable and disconnected from everyone while being wrapped up in themselves. Perhaps I'm just nuts but all I seem to see is sour faced unapproachable girls. Perhaps that's just the cold inhumane rat race of London.

Baby Jane wrote: »

Can't dispute your observation.

But I will say it doesn't mirror mine.

Thought you'd say that.

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No, it's not a woman thing. Maybe it's unique to women who go to the gym? I always say thanks if someone holds the door open and I can't recall a time when a female I was with didn't either. Even when I lived in London. If you are of the opinion that all women are sour faced and unapproachable and stuck up then you probably don't notice the ones that aren't.

I'm being totally honest when I say that I made an objective observation and thats what the outcome was. Fulham is a fairly stuck up, unfriendly kind of area but jesus christ whats wrong with people..manners and politeness replaced by arrogance, vanity and entitlement..every bloke isn't after your fanny love lol

I wonder when they go home and sit on the couch if they think aaahh delighted I was such a miserable looking **** today.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

My Aunt used to live on Askew Rd, found the people round there, male and female, to be very mannerly tbh, as they are all over London

Ah fair enough I'm totally wrong so in that case.

Saralee4 wrote: »

Is it possible that these women are going to the gym to work out? Why are they obliged to smile at you? Perhaps they didn't even notice you? It's not personal. They probably had a busy day and thinking about work, life whatever. I'm sure there are people who smile at you and you probably didn't even see them.

My dad would walk right by me and not even notice me. Sometimes I'd be waving at him and be "eh hello", but it's just because he has bad eyesight.

Instead of going out of your way to test women and then make a judgement of them as arrogant, vain and entitled, maybe you should just be yourself and of you want to open a door for someone then do it but don't fake kindness as a little "objective observation" as you find that people have a sixth sense for someone who is not being genuine. Also if you are going to be doing these tests on women, perhaps you should also do the same to the men in the gym otherwise your test results are going to be inaccurate.

I'm fairly sure the women did not go home and sit on the couch and think what you said. I'd say they probably went home and thought they had a productive day at the gym.

Yes just my point, wrapped up in themselves! I have a sixth sense and detected they were rude and looked miserable and like they were afraid.

How hard is it to say 'tah' if someone holds a door open, I know I would be very grateful. These ***** didn't even acknowledge it. Oh and by the way I've noticed it a regular thing with wome with regard to holding doors open.

Saralee4 wrote: »

You thought they looked afraid?

If I so much as tried to make eye contact, they looked afraid..yes all of them.

Deleted User wrote: »

Lufties, you have admitted before on numerous occasions that you are a misogynist and have major issues with women. I am now instructing you to stay out of any thread where gender issues or gender generalisations are being discussed.

You talked before about getting therapy to help you overcome this hatred, when you've made progress with this we can review this ban.

Ah yes flex those mod muscles. You go girl!

Saralee4 wrote: »

Is it possible that these women are going to the gym to work out? Why are they obliged to smile at you? Perhaps they didn't even notice you? It's not personal. They probably had a busy day and thinking about work, life whatever. I'm sure there are people who smile at you and you probably didn't even see them.

My dad would walk right by me and not even notice me. Sometimes I'd be waving at him and be "eh hello", but it's just because he has bad eyesight.

Instead of going out of your way to test women and then make a judgement of them as arrogant, vain and entitled, maybe you should just be yourself and if you want to open a door for someone then do it but don't fake kindness as a little "objective observation" as you find that people have a sixth sense for someone who is not being genuine. Also if you are going to be doing these tests on women, perhaps you should also do the same to the men in the gym otherwise your test results are going to be inaccurate.

I'm fairly sure the women did not go home and sit on the couch and think what you said. I'd say they probably went home and thought they had a productive day at the gym.

Let me begin with the fact that I don't agree with the derogatory comments that Lufties made. Not even in the least - as I mentioned time and time again, I do have a few close female friends, so every now and then I get the "other point of view", and I can appreciate most of the conundrums involved. It's not as easy nor clear-cut as it might seem, let's put it that way.

That taken out of the way, I think this specific topic is something that gets brushed under the carpet way too easily. What I will do is to try make a few honest and frank considerations, without being inflammatory or derogatory.

Being fully honest, I think the part in bold to be essentially and excuse some women use to get away with being unnecessarily rude. The fact you had a busy day, are worried with something or maybe a bit distracted does not justify the lack of basic manners. Nobody is obliged to smile or say "thanks" to anybody else, and it should not be expected (one doesn't hold a door to hear "thank you", for example), but doing so is a completely free, easy way to show appreciation. Not doing so is a lack of respect towards the other person and a complete show of bad manners. There is simply no other spin around it, and can't pretend others not to get a bit annoyed about it.

Of course, this is open to happen from men too - I did witness a few episodes where the roles were reversed, and they did make my blood boil just the same, especially because there is usually a "showoff" component to it; I won't go there as it's a different discussion.

Now, in certain environments my feeling is that some women keep their "shields" a little bit too much towards maximum strength. There is no amount of sugar coating that can be put around it to make it less obvious.

Latest example, last night, coming out of the gym (seems to be quite the environment for uncalled rudeness). I was coming out of the changing rooms, finished with my day and shower done. Really, the only thing on my mind was getting home and something to eat. Woman comes through the corridor, looking at her phone - as a reflex, I go "hello" - as I would have done with anybody; It's a somewhat confined environment, with a limited amount of people going in and out - saying "hi" if you cross paths with others is normal. Or it should be - she raises her eyes off the phone, looks straight at me, then starts staring fixed ahead of her, picks up her pace and speeds past, not uttering a single word.

Now, I can't possibly know what was in her head. Maybe she was just pissed off, maybe she went through the cartoonish "oh no, he said hello, he wants to sleep with me!" process, maybe I look like a serial killer or what not; Fact is, the only thing that is a certainty is that she did see and hear me, and consciously and purposely choose to ignore a basic act of courtesy. She might have had all the reasons in this world for doing so, but the fact that she exhibited extremely poor manners and a completely unnecessary show of rudeness is undeniable. I will keep saying "hi" every single time I cross paths with her, and if she never replies I have no problem with it, it's her choice. I am safe in the knowledge that I am not being the inconsiderate person in the exchange.

It is not the first time I see something like that, and it won't be the last. It does annoy me a little bit, but I certainly don't get hung up on it, in the end I do not know these people - and if they can't have basic manners, I am not even interested in knowing them. But when I see claims that these things don't happen, or that there is a perfectly reasonable "justification" about it, that anybody is "entitled" to be rude, I am not fine with that.

I don't wish to offend anybody, and I do apologize if I did so accidentally, but I feel this is something that had to be said.

Ive seen guys do it too but it seems more common with women. People dont appreciate things they expect. Just like getting out of someone way while walking, guys will do it more frequently as they are more likley to get a sharp shoulder from another man if they dont.

Saralee4 wrote: »

If you read the full conversation, you would see that I suggested that perhaps the guy had some kind of fetish and this is the real reason why he goes to hookers because he is either too embarrassed to ask a woman or women will not perform what he wants.

The poster doubted that his friend was into anything kinky so you would have to wonder what is so great about sex with the hooker if hes not getting her to do anything kinky, and this guy apparently can get sex with women for free (sometimes its great, sometimes is normal and sometimes not so great sex).

That's why I asked that question because if he's not getting her do anything unusual then I don't understand why it would be so much better. In other words, he's clearly getting the hookers to do something kinky because he's not paying them for sex that he can get for free and if they are not doing something unique for him, then he is not going to pay when he can get that for free as the poster said.

Most women vastly over-rate their own talents in this department, probably down to the amount of men who'll lie to them in order to try and encourage them to continue engaging in such activities with them.

Every woman I've ever slept with has thought she was amazing at oral sex because she'd been told so by other guys... maybe two of them actually lived up to their assertions.

So I think you're over-estimating how good at sex the average woman is. Presumably sex workers would fall into the category of actually being good (or at least, it's in their professional interest to be).

So it might not be that the guy wanted anything particularly unusual, just as he states the "guarantee" of good sex.