Saralee4 wrote: » I appreciate the time you took to provide detailed posts of your opinions however I do not agree with your views and feel I have provided enough examples to show the other side. If you do not agree with that, then you are entitled to do so.
Potatoeman wrote: » Why not split custody fifty fifty? No payments needed at all. Its not like many people can afford to be stay at home parents these days anyway.
nokia69 wrote: » I don't deny that it ever happens, but its very very rare
Baby Jane wrote: » The First Wives Club was on TV just there - I loathe that "Independent women girrrrrl!", "Men are all pigs", "Bleed him dry sista!" stuff. Really lets the side down. Same time though, some reading this thread would be led to believe gold-digging and screwing a man over and being untrustworthy and demanding divas... well that's just the way women are. In other words: the exact same mindset towards women as that of the women in the First Wives Club and their ilk towards men.
Baby Jane wrote: » Can't dispute your observation. But I will say it doesn't mirror mine.
lufties wrote: » Is it just a woman thing to go around looking miserable and disconnected from everyone while being wrapped up in themselves. Perhaps I'm just nuts but all I seem to see is sour faced unapproachable girls. Perhaps that's just the cold inhumane rat race of London.
Charlie19 wrote: » Rugby players aren't the prettiest but whatever floats his boat.
Saralee4 wrote: » Like we have said many times, life is not black and white and when emotions are involved sometimes people make mistakes. You don't believe that it should be a standard that the less dependent spouse automatically recieves spousel support (neither do I automatically) yet you believe that if someone is unfaithful they should automatically not receive spousel support? That's backwards thinking and very simplistic for a situation that is complex and not as straight forward as it may appear to some people.
ceadaoin. wrote: » No, it's not a woman thing. Maybe it's unique to women who go to the gym? I always say thanks if someone holds the door open and I can't recall a time when a female I was with didn't either. Even when I lived in London. If you are of the opinion that all women are sour faced and unapproachable and stuck up then you probably don't notice the ones that aren't.
lufties wrote: » I'm being totally honest when I say that I made an objective observation and thats what the outcome was. Fulham is a fairly stuck up, unfriendly kind of area but jesus christ whats wrong with people..manners and politeness replaced by arrogance, vanity and entitlement..every bloke isn't after your fanny love lol I wonder when they go home and sit on the couch if they think aaahh delighted I was such a miserable looking **** today.
The Backwards Man wrote: » My Aunt used to live on Askew Rd, found the people round there, male and female, to be very mannerly tbh, as they are all over London
Saralee4 wrote: » Is it possible that these women are going to the gym to work out? Why are they obliged to smile at you? Perhaps they didn't even notice you? It's not personal. They probably had a busy day and thinking about work, life whatever. I'm sure there are people who smile at you and you probably didn't even see them. My dad would walk right by me and not even notice me. Sometimes I'd be waving at him and be "eh hello", but it's just because he has bad eyesight. Instead of going out of your way to test women and then make a judgement of them as arrogant, vain and entitled, maybe you should just be yourself and of you want to open a door for someone then do it but don't fake kindness as a little "objective observation" as you find that people have a sixth sense for someone who is not being genuine. Also if you are going to be doing these tests on women, perhaps you should also do the same to the men in the gym otherwise your test results are going to be inaccurate. I'm fairly sure the women did not go home and sit on the couch and think what you said. I'd say they probably went home and thought they had a productive day at the gym.
lufties wrote: » Yes just my point, wrapped up in themselves! I have a sixth sense and detected they were rude and looked miserable and like they were afraid. How hard is it to say 'tah' if someone holds a door open, I know I would be very grateful. These ***** didn't even acknowledge it. Oh and by the way I've noticed it a regular thing with wome with regard to holding doors open.
Saralee4 wrote: » You thought they looked afraid?
Deleted User wrote: » Lufties, you have admitted before on numerous occasions that you are a misogynist and have major issues with women. I am now instructing you to stay out of any thread where gender issues or gender generalisations are being discussed. You talked before about getting therapy to help you overcome this hatred, when you've made progress with this we can review this ban.
Saralee4 wrote: » Is it possible that these women are going to the gym to work out? Why are they obliged to smile at you? Perhaps they didn't even notice you? It's not personal. They probably had a busy day and thinking about work, life whatever. I'm sure there are people who smile at you and you probably didn't even see them. My dad would walk right by me and not even notice me. Sometimes I'd be waving at him and be "eh hello", but it's just because he has bad eyesight. Instead of going out of your way to test women and then make a judgement of them as arrogant, vain and entitled, maybe you should just be yourself and if you want to open a door for someone then do it but don't fake kindness as a little "objective observation" as you find that people have a sixth sense for someone who is not being genuine. Also if you are going to be doing these tests on women, perhaps you should also do the same to the men in the gym otherwise your test results are going to be inaccurate. I'm fairly sure the women did not go home and sit on the couch and think what you said. I'd say they probably went home and thought they had a productive day at the gym.
Baby Jane wrote: » You... said it was a myth. How do you know it's very very rare? I know Bacik et al are exaggerating the amount to push their agenda but to say it's a myth or extremely rare (without knowing the facts) just to get one up on Bacik and the like... is pretty... bizarre when there are victims of it, no matter how rare it is.
H3llR4iser wrote: » Let me begin with the fact that I don't agree with the derogatory comments that Lufties made. Not even in the least - as I mentioned time and time again, I do have a few close female friends, so every now and then I get the "other point of view", and I can appreciate most of the conundrums involved. It's not as easy nor clear-cut as it might seem, let's put it that way. That taken out of the way, I think this specific topic is something that gets brushed under the carpet way too easily. What I will do is to try make a few honest and frank considerations, without being inflammatory or derogatory. .
Saralee4 wrote: » If you read the full conversation, you would see that I suggested that perhaps the guy had some kind of fetish and this is the real reason why he goes to hookers because he is either too embarrassed to ask a woman or women will not perform what he wants. The poster doubted that his friend was into anything kinky so you would have to wonder what is so great about sex with the hooker if hes not getting her to do anything kinky, and this guy apparently can get sex with women for free (sometimes its great, sometimes is normal and sometimes not so great sex). That's why I asked that question because if he's not getting her do anything unusual then I don't understand why it would be so much better. In other words, he's clearly getting the hookers to do something kinky because he's not paying them for sex that he can get for free and if they are not doing something unique for him, then he is not going to pay when he can get that for free as the poster said.
Sleepy wrote: » Most women vastly over-rate their own talents in this department, probably down to the amount of men who'll lie to them in order to try and encourage them to continue engaging in such activities with them. Every woman I've ever slept with has thought she was amazing at oral sex because she'd been told so by other guys... maybe two of them actually lived up to their assertions. So I think you're over-estimating how good at sex the average woman is. Presumably sex workers would fall into the category of actually being good (or at least, it's in their professional interest to be). So it might not be that the guy wanted anything particularly unusual, just as he states the "guarantee" of good sex.
Saralee4 wrote: » yea but im not sure what makes someone 'professional' at having sex. Prostitutes are not robots or super human, they are also women and probably have families and children and lives outside of their job. They don't take a course in sex. They may have more experience but whose to say the average woman hasn't got experience? Prostitutes may however be more willing to take part in certain things at a cost that other women are not but there will be some 'average' women who are also willing to do those things too. What is there to stop any woman or 'average' woman going out and deciding they want to become an escort? does a magic fairy come along and make you 'professional' at having sex?
Saralee4 wrote: » In terms of response to luftie, since he admitted that the women looked afraid, I think that shows that there was more to his kindness that made these women not respond to his gestures and maybe not want to give him any inclination that they wanted to engage. Maybe there was something in his body language, tone or intensity that made these women feel that they did not want to have any kind of contact with him or to encourage any more contact from him.
Saralee4 wrote: » Someone can walk past you in the street and say 'smile, cheer up', and it can sound nice and uplifting and you can say 'oh sorry I was in another world there' and you smile back and another person can walk by and say 'smile, cheer up' and you can just get a vibe where you feel they are annoyed or trying to be intimidating.
Saralee4 wrote: » Sometimes you genuinely are in a world of your own and its not in a self absorbed way, your just on your own little mission for the day. God knows what that woman was talking about on the phone in your situation. She could have had bad news, she could have been fired, her boyfriend might have let her down or sister or anything. The point is, we don't know what's going on in peoples lives. Maybe they don't have manners. Maybe they are just rude but that is life and sometimes people are rude.
Saralee4 wrote: » I personally don't intentionally try to be rude to people but I'm sure that there have been times when people have thought I was rude and I didn't even know. When I was a teenager I was quite shy and sometimes people mistook this for being rude but I really didn't mean it to come off like that.
Saralee4 wrote: » I think at the end of the day, just treat people as you want to be treated and don't take it personal if they don't respond how you expect a person to especially if they are just someone passing in the street. And also its not fair to say that this is more so a woman's thing.
Potatoeman wrote: » Ive seen guys do it too but it seems more common with women. People dont appreciate things they expect. Just like getting out of someone way while walking, guys will do it more frequently as they are more likley to get a sharp shoulder from another man if they dont.
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