When would you turn back and confront scumbags?

DeathWolf · 20-02-2015 10:47am #1

So we all know of these little ***** that start throwing random rocks/branches/fireworks/whatever in any part of Dublin City Center. I've usually just ignored them and walked off, but sometimes I wonder, do people ever stand back to them? Does that turn bad? I have a couple times tried to confront them, but most time they just run away. Some do get more aggressive though.

These groups of 4-5 kids seriously need to get their ass kicked sometimes, as their parents don't do it.

If it were anywhere in the US, you'd find people carrying guns in their purse and it'd create deaths here and there. Elsewhere most people would carry pepper guns or monkey fists to fight back. But in Dublin I never see people fighting back and only hear horrible stories of people getting smashed, what's it behind that?
Any stories you would share on that?

If not fighting, is there anything else that'll get them to leave you the hell alone?

Capone79 · 20-02-2015 10:51am

DeathWolf wrote: »

So we all know of these little ***** that start throwing random rocks/branches/fireworks/whatever in any part of Dublin City Center. I've usually just ignored them and walked off, but sometimes I wonder, do people ever stand back to them? Does that turn bad? I have a couple times tried to confront them, but most time they just run away. Some do get more aggressive though.

These groups of 4-5 kids seriously need to get their ass kicked sometimes, as their parents don't do it.

If it were anywhere in the US, you'd find people carrying guns in their purse and it'd create deaths here and there. Elsewhere most people would carry pepper guns or monkey fists to fight back. But in Dublin I never see people fighting back and only hear horrible stories of people getting smashed, what's it behind that?
Any stories you would share on that?

If not fighting, is there anything else that'll get them to leave you the hell alone?

Although they are probably cowardly rodents, in a crowd they will do anything to look hard and it's not worth getting stabbed just to make a point. Just remember his face and pray you meet him 1 on 1

kstand · 20-02-2015 10:52am

Get an iron bar and wear it into them.

Locomotion · 20-02-2015 10:54am

If they were harming an innocent animal, I'd step in. Saw a group of little pr1cks kicking a dog that was chained up while its owner was in the shop one time so I belted one of them across the head. Didn't even need to worry bout them being in a group as the crowd of strangers around me was a lot bigger and very quickly jumped on my side when they saw what they were doing. little f@ckers ran off then.

podgemonster · 20-02-2015 10:55am

Walk away, no point engaging with these scumbags. They'll get their just deserts eventually.

20-02-2015 11:04am

OSI wrote: »

Where have you been where most people carry pepper spray or monkeys fists?

Down the docks, where else?

Foxhound38 · 20-02-2015 11:08am

Was walking and talking on the phone in the city centre one day last year and one of the little scrotes cycled by me and grabbed it off me - I let a roar at him and a good samartian walking a few paces in front of me heard it and gave the bike an almighty kick as it tried to fly past him, sending the scrote and my phone flying onto the path.

Needless to say I got my phone back, the scrote went scarpering after a stern telling off, and my good samaritan was given the price of a few pints for his troubles.

ShowMeTheCash · 20-02-2015 11:34am

Maybe not the same, but I was at a niece's 18th last weekend.

At the end of the night a group of young lads had gathered seemingly looking for trouble. One of these lads randomly takes a swing at my brother in law add hits him a crack, he kind of gathered himself up to be met with about 5 or 6 lads how now trying to jump all over him but we managed to get him onto the mini bus we had hired and the driver done well to keep them off.

All this was for no reason, I went to the door of the bus to try and figure out what happened as we had a number of lads banging the windows trying to get in or get the brother in law out. The main ring leader stood, I asked what's that all about all he done was look at me and shout 'mon big man mon let's go lets go".

Usually I would avoid trouble like this but this guys face and him being such a little p##ck pushed me over the edge.

I will not go into details of exactly what happened but I did show some restraint albeit little scumbad tried swinging for the fences.
If you are going to start a fight you had better know how to fight.

But I would not condone my own behavior you could find yourself in a dangerous situation especially with drunk young lads!

DeathWolf · 20-02-2015 11:40am

Couldn't agree more, tbh avoiding fight would be what I usually do.
What bothers me if what would you do if they do start picking on you and become physical.
That's why I would advise keeping a monkey fist with you, and taking some good self defense lessons if you never had any, call it self defense in case of aggression.(and keep in mind I'm a fairly strong 30+ man)

Stojkovic · 20-02-2015 11:40am

Just walk away in the smug knowledge they will die before they are 25 from aids or gunshot.

Karma.

everlast75 · 20-02-2015 11:42am

Locomotion wrote: »

If they were harming an innocent animal, I'd step in. Saw a group of little pr1cks kicking a dog that was chained up while its owner was in the shop one time so I belted one of them across the head. Didn't even need to worry bout them being in a group as the crowd of strangers around me was a lot bigger and very quickly jumped on my side when they saw what they were doing. little f@ckers ran off then.

PM me your bank details - a few pints is due to you sir

AnonoBoy · 20-02-2015 12:26pm

everlast75 wrote: »

PM me your bank details - a few pints is due to you sir

Don't do it! It's a trap!

He was one of the little feckers!

lazybones32 · 20-02-2015 12:35pm

podgemonster wrote: »

Walk away, no point engaging with these scumbags. They'll get their just deserts eventually.

If everyone walks away, how will they get their "just desserts"?

Take out the leader of the group - usually the loudest - and the minions will melt away.

SEPT 23 1989 · 20-02-2015 12:39pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

If everyone walks away, how will they get their "just desserts"?

Take out the leader of the group - usually the loudest - and the minions will melt away.

or you could lose control of the situation and the minions might partake in a group head stamping

daRobot · 20-02-2015 12:51pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

or you could lose control of the situation and the minions might partake in a group head stamping

That's it exactly. End up on the ground, and you're in a critical situation.

While it might hurt your pride, it's better to walk away.

Birneybau · 20-02-2015 12:52pm

Was on the last bus a few weeks ago, had a few drinks on me. Some little pr!ck down the back of the bus was hammered and mouthing off, his brother and mate were trying to get him to shut up, they were far from scumbags.

I had enough and snapped, walked down the back of the bus and told him to STFU, he was scaring people and that. He mouthed off at me, shouting in my face. His brother jumped between us, nothing was going to happen but I was incensed, took all my might not to throw a punch at him.

Got a fistbump off a bloke as I was getting off the bus. Woke up kind of embarrassed the next day but fcuk it.

evolving_doors · 20-02-2015 12:58pm

I presume we're talking about minors here !

Assault of a minor is a very,very different kettle of Legal fish to a fight with an adult.

Birneybau · 20-02-2015 1:13pm

Armelodie wrote: »

I presume we're talking about minors here !

Assault of a minor is a very,very different kettle of Legal fish to a fight with an adult.

If you're talking to me, they were early 20s. Why you presumed, when I said it was the last bus, I don't know.

ShowMeTheCash · 20-02-2015 1:16pm

Birneybau wrote: »

If you're talking to me, they were early 20s. Why you presumed, when I said it was the last bus, I don't know.

Early 20s here as well it was outside a night club.

Birneybau · 20-02-2015 1:18pm

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Early 20s here as well it was outside a night club.

Little drunk hardshaws.

wretcheddomain · 20-02-2015 1:20pm

Round them up and send them to a remote, small island with no food.

Proceed to drop 4 grizzly bears (who haven't been fed in an awful long time) on said island.

Problem solved.

sunshine and showers · 20-02-2015 1:22pm

I wouldn't anymore. It's just not worth it when young teenagers are carrying knives and it seems people would stab you as soon as look at you.

Edit: I mean not for having things shouted at me by the little feckers , etc. I don't believe in this crap of standing by while animals or other people get hurt. Just choose your battles!

riffmongous · 20-02-2015 1:28pm

I still remember well that awful case in Inchicore of the two Polish lads getting stabbed with a screwdriver after they got into a small row with some kids.

sbsquarepants · 20-02-2015 1:30pm

DeathWolf wrote: »

Elsewhere most people would carry pepper guns or monkey fists to fight back. ?

What the fúck is a monkey fist?

Mike Guide 69 · 20-02-2015 1:32pm

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

Maybe not the same, but I was at a niece's 18th last weekend.

At the end of the night a group of young lads had gathered seemingly looking for trouble. One of these lads randomly takes a swing at my brother in law add hits him a crack, he kind of gathered himself up to be met with about 5 or 6 lads how now trying to jump all over him but we managed to get him onto the mini bus we had hired and the driver done well to keep them off.

All this was for no reason, I went to the door of the bus to try and figure out what happened as we had a number of lads banging the windows trying to get in or get the brother in law out. The main ring leader stood, I asked what's that all about all he done was look at me and shout 'mon big man mon let's go lets go".

Usually I would avoid trouble like this but this guys face and him being such a little p##ck pushed me over the edge.

I will not go into details of exactly what happened but I did show some restraint albeit little scumbad tried swinging for the fences.
If you are going to start a fight you had better know how to fight.

But I would not condone my own behavior you could find yourself in a dangerous situation especially with drunk young lads!

The way you reacted reminded of a "scenario" i found myself in last christmas, I was out on one of the nights over christmas (well known midlands town is where I live), at a late bar with 2 mates, got half jarred and got seperated from my mates. Left the bar at the end of the night on my own and decided to walk home (now i usually did this when i was out), took a shortcut down an alley and stopped to text my mates to see where they were.

Before i know it, a young lad, say round 16-17 stepped out in front of me and asked for €5, now i thought in my hazy state, i gave him some loose change, and he wasnt happy and demanded a "F***** fiver", all of a sudden 5 lads appeared out of nowwhwere and I was surrounded and then thought to myself "wtf is going on here". Young lad kicked me in the b***s and demanded cash. Well the kick reawoken my senses and i struck out with my fist and caught him on the cheek, that seem to startle him and he shouted out "Have you got a blade, have you got a blade". I was so livid i replied back ( 80's action movie wise), "I dont need a blade, I have these" and i held up my fists.

I genuinely thought it was all going to kick off, but by some twist of fate, a couple came walking down the alley and the gang of young lads legged it, just as quickly as they appeared. I was a little bit shook but went back up to the taxi rank and got a taxi home.

Next morning, very hungover , was thinking back to the previous nights events and i was sort of saying to myself "fair play for standing up to them" but in all reality i later thought, it could have ended up a lot worse.

Learned some important lessons after that night, try and not get seperated from your friends and if you do, dont try and walk home, get a taxi, its not worth it, as theres always that chance, that theres a bunch of tossers trying to roll some poor mortal over

ShowMeTheCash · 20-02-2015 1:40pm

I want to share another story simply because it is funny!
I used to work with a guy from Dublin, now this guy always had a tall tail but he was a little crazy so I kind of used to just agree with him and say things like "Really??? No way" His stories always were around how 15 lads jumped him and he kicks everyone ass then steals their girlfriends.
He was kind of the office joke we used to call him Chuck <Secondname> instead of Chuck Norris.

So anyways on a night out doing a bit of an after work pub-crawl in Belfast.
Group of lads mouthing as we are about to go into a bar hits one the guys I work with, he actually fell and we later found out he broke his arm.

As soon as it happen up walks Chuck N...... stands amoung them like a crazed lunatic! I immediately think he is about to get his @ss handed to him but what happened next was like something from a Van Damn movie.

Pivioting on one leg he kicks one of these runts on the side of the face and without even putting his leg down turns and kicks a second to the face in exactly the same manor, the two runts eat the pavement while the other runts kind of just stare in bewilderment!

Turn on his heals and say right lads into the bar.....

No one really made fun of Chuck N.... after that night!

Karl Stein · 20-02-2015 1:42pm

Only if they're really small.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltWM5nEl0A

Sunnyisland · 20-02-2015 1:50pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I still remember well that awful case in Inchicore of the two Polish lads getting stabbed with a screwdriver after they got into a small row with some kids.

It was Drimnagh, just saying, terrible indeed.

sunshine and showers · 20-02-2015 2:01pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I still remember well that awful case in Inchicore of the two Polish lads getting stabbed with a screwdriver after they got into a small row with some kids.

I swear the value of human life has seriously decreased to these scumbags in the last ten years or less.

tipptom · 20-02-2015 2:12pm

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

The way you reacted reminded of a "scenario" i found myself in last christmas, I was out on one of the nights over christmas (well known midlands town is where I live), at a late bar with 2 mates, got half jarred and got seperated from my mates. Left the bar at the end of the night on my own and decided to walk home (now i usually did this when i was out), took a shortcut down an alley and stopped to text my mates to see where they were.

Before i know it, a young lad, say round 16-17 stepped out in front of me and asked for €5, now i thought in my hazy state, i gave him some loose change, and he wasnt happy and demanded a "F***** fiver", all of a sudden 5 lads appeared out of nowwhwere and I was surrounded and then thought to myself "wtf is going on here". Young lad kicked me in the b***s and demanded cash. Well the kick reawoken my senses and i struck out with my fist and caught him on the cheek, that seem to startle him and he shouted out "Have you got a blade, have you got a blade". I was so livid i replied back ( 80's action movie wise), "I dont need a blade, I have these" and i held up my fists.

I genuinely thought it was all going to kick off, but by some twist of fate, a couple came walking down the alley and the gang of young lads legged it, just as quickly as they appeared. I was a little bit shook but went back up to the taxi rank and got a taxi home.

Next morning, very hungover , was thinking back to the previous nights events and i was sort of saying to myself "fair play for standing up to them" but in all reality i later thought, it could have ended up a lot worse.

Learned some important lessons after that night, try and not get seperated from your friends and if you do, dont try and walk home, get a taxi, its not worth it, as theres always that chance, that theres a bunch of tossers trying to roll some poor mortal over

What happens in Mullingar stays in Mullingar!

Mike Guide 69 · 20-02-2015 2:14pm

tipptom wrote: »

What happens in Mullingar stays in Mullingar!

Warm but not hot, this place has lovely views of the prison :P

tipptom · 20-02-2015 2:43pm

Mike Guide 69 wrote: »

Warm but not hot, this place has lovely views of the prison :P

Ah,i was a good few miles of,hopefully the little scobes are not given the convenience of being housed in their local clink when they eventually get jailed.

DellyBelly · 20-02-2015 2:48pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I still remember well that awful case in Inchicore of the two Polish lads getting stabbed with a screwdriver after they got into a small row with some kids.

Think that was in Drimnagh....

evolving_doors · 20-02-2015 3:01pm

Birneybau wrote: »

If you're talking to me, they were early 20s. Why you presumed, when I said it was the last bus, I don't know.

Referring to OP who used the word 'kids'.

Birneybau · 20-02-2015 3:02pm

Armelodie wrote: »

Referring to OP who used the word 'kids'.

Sorry, jumped to conclusions there.

Mint Aero · 08-03-2015 12:54pm

Had a run in with a crowd of scummy teenagers last night

Took a short cut through a lane and happened up them. A group of normal looking teenagers were walking on in front of me. One of the little scrotes gets up off the wall and was gesturing with his hand up to the group in front of me. They kept walking, I'm walking on anyway and the little sh*t ball has a pebble, a little f*cking pebble in his hand and flicks it up as I pass into the back of my head. :rolleyes:

Well I turn around in an instant and in the most macho voice I've ever produced "Oi! Watch it! :mad::mad:" the next bit was hilarious, the scummer kinda twirls on his feet, not knowing whether to come back and square up to me, he was kinda trying to see if his mates were gonna back him up before he decided. Two of his mates had turned around aswell and were equally trying to guess what each other were gonna do. So I goes "Right!" :mad: and they f*cked off :pac: little scared c*nts knew I meant business. I would've happily have given them some trouble since they were looking.

Continued my journey up the lane anyway, passed the group of normal teenagers, who didn't so much as batt an eyelid and I came up to a group of girls. I'd guess they were hanging around with the scrotes just before I came. Got the impression they were impressed with seeing a real man in action having demasculated the scrote in front of his mates.

I'm not a tall guy or particularly strong at the moment. Looking to get back to gymming alright. But I dunno, I just can't keep the head down and walk on like most people seem to do. If someone's looking for trouble they've got it.

coopdog85 · 08-03-2015 1:15pm

DeathWolf wrote: »

So we all know of these little ***** that start throwing random rocks/branches/fireworks/whatever in any part of Dublin City Center. I've usually just ignored them and walked off, but sometimes I wonder, do people ever stand back to them? Does that turn bad? I have a couple times tried to confront them, but most time they just run away. Some do get more aggressive though.

These groups of 4-5 kids seriously need to get their ass kicked sometimes, as their parents don't do it.

If it were anywhere in the US, you'd find people carrying guns in their purse and it'd create deaths here and there. Elsewhere most people would carry pepper guns or monkey fists to fight back. But in Dublin I never see people fighting back and only hear horrible stories of people getting smashed, what's it behind that?
Any stories you would share on that?

If not fighting, is there anything else that'll get them to leave you the hell alone?

It happened me up in Finglas one night. 3 hardshaws starting jeering me & when I wasn't responded one of them came up behind me & tripped me. I had 2 choices - run & be caught or stay & take my chances.

I stayed, made a split second decision & picked one. Lunged at him & bit his nose as hard as I could. I did awful damage & will never forget the screams. His 2 pals didn't stay around long they were gone almost instantly when they heard his screams. I did permanent damage to that chap but don't regret it for one second as he'd have done the same if not worse to me.

Tonyandthewhale · 08-03-2015 1:24pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

What the fúck is a monkey fist?

This still hasn't been addressed. Google would suggest it's some sort of decorative knot. Arts and crafts type stuff. What's that got to do with lampin' young fellas down the town?

LDN_Irish · 08-03-2015 1:30pm

A monkey fist is another name for knuckle dusters or brass knuckles. Not sure what country uses the term but I'm 100% I've read that before.

Baby Jane · 08-03-2015 1:33pm

podgemonster wrote: »

They'll get their just deserts eventually.

Stojkovic wrote: »

Just walk away in the smug knowledge they will die before they are 25 from aids or gunshot.

Karma.

But they more than likely won't. Karma is a lovely idea but unfortunately it's not consistent with reality.

evolving_doors · 08-03-2015 1:35pm

Mint Aero wrote: »

Had a run in with a crowd of scummy teenagers last night

Took a short cut through a lane and happened up them. A group of normal looking teenagers were walking on in front of me. One of the little scrotes gets up off the wall and was gesturing with his hand up to the group in front of me. They kept walking, I'm walking on anyway and the little sh*t ball has a pebble, a little f*cking pebble in his hand and flicks it up as I pass into the back of my head. :rolleyes:

Well I turn around in an instant and in the most macho voice I've ever produced "Oi! Watch it! :mad::mad:" the next bit was hilarious, the scummer kinda twirls on his feet, not knowing whether to come back and square up to me, he was kinda trying to see if his mates were gonna back him up before he decided. Two of his mates had turned around aswell and were equally trying to guess what each other were gonna do. So I goes "Right!" :mad: and they f*cked off :pac: little scared c*nts knew I meant business. I would've happily have given them some trouble since they were looking.

Continued my journey up the lane anyway, passed the group of normal teenagers, who didn't so much as batt an eyelid and I came up to a group of girls. I'd guess they were hanging around with the scrotes just before I came. Got the impression they were impressed with seeing a real man in action having demasculated the scrote in front of his mates.

I'm not a tall guy or particularly strong at the moment. Looking to get back to gymming alright. But I dunno, I just can't keep the head down and walk on like most people seem to do. If someone's looking for trouble they've got it.

Sooo you're saying you are more of a real man by being prepared to fight with underage kids??? (compared to the TEENAGERS who knew better to walk away!!!).

Wow I bet you hope you got those girls' phone numbers too as you have a real way with impressing TEENAGERS!

As I said before, assault of a minor by an adult is a serious thing... just walk away. Those teenagers who kept walking had more sense than yourself.

Don;t forget about the Drimnagh case mentioned earlier where the girls ran into the pub and told the youngfella off his head that someone was threatening his dad. What if you're lovely girls had gone to tell their da's that someone was threatning their kids!!! The gymming wont save you then.

Mint Aero · 08-03-2015 1:36pm

Gebgbegb wrote: »

Sooo you're saying you are more of a real man by being prepared to fight with underage kids??? (compared to the TEENAGERS who knew better to walk away!!!).

Wow I bet you hope you got those girls' phone numbers too as you have a real way with impressing TEENAGERS!

As I said before, assault of a minor by an adult is a serious thing... just walk away. Those teenagers who kept walking had more sense than yourself.

Don;t forget about the Drimnagh case mentioned earlier where the girls ran into the pub and told the youngfella off his head that someone was threatening his dad. What if you're lovely girls had gone to tell their da's that someone was threatning their kids!!! The gymming wont save you then.

Nothing minor about a 19 yr old :rolleyes:

AndonHandon · 08-03-2015 1:39pm

If someone hadn't stepped in for me I could have ended up beaten up or worse. Left a bar in the US and wandered back towards where I thought the hotel was (general direction anyway). It was a residential area with a small collection of bars and was very quiet. It was quite a far walk but I wasn't arsed paying for a cab, obviously I had become separated from my mates. I'm about 200 metres gone from the bar when I hear "Andon, Andon" being called so I turn around and looked back to see the bar man from the bar I was in. He called me back and I thought I had forgotten something so went back to him.

When I got back to him he said that he spotted someone follow me out of the bar and they were walking down the road behind me. The lad just kept on going as I had been called back by the bar man. I'm not sure if there was a threat but luckily the bar man called me back so I didn't have to find out.

FouxDaFaFa · 08-03-2015 1:39pm

Tonyandthewhale wrote: »

This still hasn't been addressed. Google would suggest it's some sort of decorative knot. Arts and crafts type stuff. What's that got to do with lampin' young fellas down the town?

A monkey's fist.

It has a steel core. Looks harmless enough but I'd say a good swing would take the face off you.

eviltwin · 08-03-2015 1:40pm

Mint Aero wrote: »

Nothing minor about a 19 yr old :rolleyes:

Walking away wouldn't have made you less of a man.

Mint Aero · 08-03-2015 1:42pm

eviltwin wrote: »

Walking away wouldn't have made you less of a man.

Yeah well someone's gotta put manners on these f*ckers. Had 2 run ins with similar chav c*nts in London last year that I sorted without violence.

Fine, let them run riot. Our cities are deteriorating rapidly. I'd like to think they'll think twice about acting the maggot if they know there's a chance they'll get their ass kicked.

Heat_Wave · 08-03-2015 1:43pm

coopdog85 wrote: »

Lunged at him & bit his nose as hard as I could. I did awful damage & will never forget the screams.

That is disgusting. Psycho behaviour on your part tbh!

Mint Aero · 08-03-2015 1:44pm

Heat_Wave wrote: »

That is disgusting. Psycho behaviour on your part tbh!

He was dead right to. 3 against 1.

Golaco · 08-03-2015 1:44pm

Mint Aero wrote: »

Yeah well someone's gotta put manners on these f*ckers. Had 2 run ins with similar chav c*nts in London last year that I sorted without violence.

Fine, let them run riot. Our cities are deteriorating rapidly.

I hate seeing scrotes get away with this kind of behaviour but the potential for getting stabbed or something is so high. Principals aren't much good to you then

Heat_Wave · 08-03-2015 1:47pm

Mint Aero wrote: »

He was dead right to. 3 against 1.

He could have pinned the lad to the ground. He could have done anything. Anything except 'bite his nose'???

Mint Aero · 08-03-2015 1:48pm

Heat_Wave wrote: »

He could have pinned the lad to the ground. He could have done anything. Anything except 'bite his nose'???

While the other 2 thump his head while he's on the ground?
He exerted minimal energy to win the fight. When against 3 you best conserve your energy and element the opponent with the least effort possible. It was good move to be fair.

When would you turn back and confront scumbags?

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