I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 25-02-2015 05:42PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Top ten would mean Ireland was one of the 10 least corrupt countries in the world?

Then lower would only be better if you were a politician...

Had a look at the table - if you take out non wesern countires, we're actually not so well positioned as you'd think. Even the US ranked better than we did.

Maximus Alexander · 25-02-2015 05:46PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Then lower would only be better if you were a politician...

Had a look at the table - if you take out non wesern countires, we're actually not so well positioned as you'd think. Even the US ranked better than we did.

Depends on what you mean by lower. 10 is lower than 21. 10th is less corrupt than 21st.

I agree that we're not especially well positioned in a Western sense. But also not nearly as bad as some people would like to make out.

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2015 05:51PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

GDP Per Capita is the only real tangible figure there in terms of the economy and that is a gross figure. It does nothing to illustrate wealth distribution, we get it, some people are on board the wealth train. We don't know how many and we don't know who benefits.

2014 wealth distribution stats will paint an interesting pictures, who really benefits from a bouyant market.

Wealth distribution is shown by gini co-efficient

syklops · 25-02-2015 05:55PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Did you start your career in 2009? I think the money you make in your job (assuming you don't move around much) is heavily influenced by what you started on. Not many employers will give you a 50% raise.

When I left in 2012, groceries were cheaper than they had been. You could get better deals but having gone back a few times since, it seems to have changed in the last year. Fewer deals. Services have gone up in price too.

I don't know how that could be fixed, in fairness...so just voicing, no solution! Like a politician or a protestor

No I started my career in 2002. I got a 40% raise in 2007. I left in 2009, came back in 2013 and was on about the same money as in 2009, and having gone from being comfortable, I was suddenly finding it hard to make ends meet. Since 2009 the USC got introduced, so thats ~2000 a year less already, VAT had gone up by 2%, duty went up etc etc.

fiachr_a · 25-02-2015 05:59PM

weiland79 wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... I'll have what you're smoking. i work in dublin (henry street) and since Christmas the place is a fvcking ghost town.

Zombie town more like, with all those junkie beggars.

syklops · 25-02-2015 06:06PM

weiland79 wrote: »

Are you actually arguing that people have plenty of money?
I'm sorry but I don't agree at all. People don't go out shopping for pleasure anymore, people don't even browse anymore. The past two months in Dublin City centre have been particularly difficult. I know I'm in it everyday.

Yeah thats what i really want to do is go Window shopping in February with the wind and rain. Go chill out in Dundrum of a Saturday afternoon and you will see lots of people browsing, and quite a few shopping bags.

Magico Gonzalez · 25-02-2015 06:17PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Wealth distribution is shown by gini co-efficient

Various sources available up to 2011. Not seen GINI stats for after that, I believe we'll see an increase in the figure.

chrysagon · 25-02-2015 06:18PM

And on news one in five mortgages in Longford in arrears...but banks starting to engage..aint they great

blackbird 49 · 25-02-2015 06:36PM

I know someone that works in social welfare and she said it's an employers market and a lot are exploiting people but still clever enough to keep within the law.

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 06:37PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The deflationary risk is totally exaggerated by Europeans' preoccupation with the headline inflation rate as opposed to core inflation. This faulty emphasis possibly makes the ECB the most stupid large Central bank on the planet. Low oil and commodity prices, combined with new budgetary rules that have finally relaxed the need for austerity, make European QE a complete waste of time.

Europeans (read: Germans) are far too preoccupied with inflation in general, and they've spent far too long now proselytising their ridiculous creed. What we need is a meaningful fiscal/ demand stimulus throughout the eurozone, none of this silly tinkering around the edges.

Europe has been heading towards core deflation for a long time - changing the inflation stat picked, doesn't really suggest deflation can be avoided.

I agree fully though, that we need a large fiscal/demand stimulus ASAP (preferably half a decade ago).

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 06:45PM

I know it's not the pic the doom mongers wanted to see.

the evasion_kid · 25-02-2015 06:45PM

blackbird 49 wrote: »

I know someone that works in social welfare and she said it's an employers market and a lot are exploiting people but still clever enough to keep within the law.

That internship nonsense is nothing but modern day slavery

bjork · 25-02-2015 06:57PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Fair enough, I'm off to buy a kilo of gold so.

As it happens I just happen to have the finest kilo of gold bullion here. I was going to keep it for myself-it's that good quality, but you look look a decent fella. It would suit you sir, suit you down to the ground. And all the neighbours will be jealous at the sight of it. Oh they would, sure they would. You could put it on the mantelpiece and invite all your friends over for high tea. They'd be green with envy but sure wouldn't they be able to see what shades of green they're turning in your beautiful new shiny kilo of gold. And they're lucky too. Don't talk to me about the luck it'll bring. I sold one to me brother john joe yesterday and sure didn't he wasn't his cow cured of the mastitis this morning. I've only the one left and I'm on my way to the airport. It's a bit heavy to carry to the airport. Will ya do a deal with me sir?

KomradeBishop · 25-02-2015 07:02PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

I know it's not the pic the doom mongers wanted to see.

Gee, nothing misleading about setting the starting index of the graph to 10% instead of 0% :rolleyes:

Again, anyone who thinks Ireland is on track to eventual full employment, is ignoring that we're going to be slamming into deflation once again, when QE fails - and then we can forget about any recovery, unless Europe changes course significantly.

Idbatterim · 25-02-2015 07:11PM

komrade, you dont seem to impressed, please tell me what you would have done differently so that after that clusterf**k we are just coming out of, that we would now have full or close to full employment... Ireland has actually recovered far better than the other PIIGS... If your proposal was getting a debt write off, you dont need to elaborate any further, I dont see the point in discussing something that was never going to happen given our set up and circumstances...

fiachr_a · 25-02-2015 07:28PM

deadybai wrote: »

If you want to see utter depression come down to Waterford. I'd love to see unemployment statistics for Waterford compared to the rest of Ireland. Even the bus to Dublin service is being cancelled. If Ireland recovers in the next 2-5 years, Waterford will take 10-15 if ever.

I know someone who went to school there. Teachers used to tell him this factory town was a kip.

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 07:32PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Gee, nothing misleading about setting the starting index of the graph to 10% instead of 0% :rolleyes:

Again, anyone who thinks Ireland is on track to eventual full employment, is ignoring that we're going to be slamming into deflation once again, when QE fails - and then we can forget about any recovery, unless Europe changes course significantly.

Can you point me to the country in the world which has 100% employment?

You don't seem like you're impressed until it's 0% unemployment.

Some bar you're setting there.

Idbatterim · 25-02-2015 07:35PM

5% of the country minimum have no intention of working anyway, that was evident during the boom, so we are only really 5% off full employment...

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 07:39PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

5% of the country minimum have no intention of working anyway, that was evident during the boom, so we are only really 5% off full employment...

4, it's down to 9% as of today.

But hey the country is fecked and we need Paul Murphy and Ruth koppinger to save us:)

Iwasfrozen · 25-02-2015 07:39PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

5% of the country minimum have no intention of working anyway, that was evident during the boom, so we are only really 5% off full employment...

Frankly those 5% who were too lazy to work during the boom should have been given food stamps..

FalconGirl · 25-02-2015 07:47PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Frankly those 5% who were too lazy to work during the boom should have been given food stamps..

Amen to that and the same people who are on welfare to this very day. An absolute drain on society.

RobAMerc · 25-02-2015 07:54PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

5% of the country minimum have no intention of working anyway, that was evident during the boom, so we are only really 5% off full employment...

holy carp, talk about glass half full Inda talk...
most of the "jobs" being created are the dole by another name, and the rest of the workforce are in Aus.
Only for these we'd be well above 20% (for youths at least.)
please god don't be so naive.

andrew · 25-02-2015 07:55PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Frankly those 5% who were too lazy to work during the boom should have been given food stamps..

You're always going to have some unemployment; some people leave jobs to look for a better match. Some people get laid off due to a restructuring or something, and again it takes them a while to get another job. And some people get laid off and find that their skills aren't what's needed in the economy any longer, so they remain unemployed from before there was very low unemployment. So that 5% consists of a lot more than lazy people - it mainly consists of people who've paid into the system and are using it for it's intended purpose.

yipeeeee · 25-02-2015 07:57PM

RobAMerc wrote: »

holy carp, talk about glass half full Inda talk...
most of the "jobs" being created are the dole by another name, and the rest of the workforce are in Aus.
Only for these we'd be well above 20% (for youths at least.)
please god don't be so naive.

Please God don't be so negative.

RobAMerc · 25-02-2015 08:02PM

yipeeeee wrote: »

Please God don't be so negative.

Right sorry, just thought a bit of realism might be required. I'll go be realistic elsewhere.

Valetta · 25-02-2015 08:08PM

RobAMerc wrote: »

holy carp, talk about glass half full Inda talk...
most of the "jobs" being created are the dole by another name, and the rest of the workforce are in Aus.
Only for these we'd be well above 20% (for youths at least.)
please god don't be so naive.

So.... If there were less people in jobs, and more people (young) in the country not working, unemployment would be higher.

Wonderfully deduced.

Gits_bone · 25-02-2015 08:09PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

New jobs, less pay. Cost of living not adjusting as quickly as needs be for many to have a comfortable living. If a graduate is starting on 19k a year, in 10 years they'll be lucky to be on 30k. Rent and house prices, a long with more and more tax\charges has to hit peoples pockets.

Don't know of any graduates on 19k in Dublin. 25k would be where you start off, at least.

Icepick · 25-02-2015 08:27PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

That internship nonsense is nothing but modern day slavery

You have no idea what you are talking about. Actually read up on real slavery that goes on in the world still or travel to a developing country to realize how good life is here.

the evasion_kid · 25-02-2015 08:55PM

Icepick wrote: »

You have no idea what you are talking about. Actually read up on real slavery that goes on in the world still or travel to a developing country to realize how good life is here.

Phrase it any way you want...its still a pretty sh*tty deal

Valetta · 25-02-2015 09:16PM

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Phrase it any way you want...its still a pretty sh*tty deal

A deal is something agreed to by two parties.

Why would you partake if you think it's "sh*tty"?

Jobsbridge serves a very good cohort of people who are wiling to get up off their arses and try to better themselves.

I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

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