I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

6541

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

clever user name

I'm loving the peace and quiet!!

Tony EH

And yet you'll have some gombeens trying to tell you that we're the fastest growing economy in Europe.

:pac:

yipeeeee

Tony EH wrote: »

And yet you'll have some gombeens trying to tell you that we're the fastest growing economy in Europe.

:pac:

But we are.

Just a little Samba

yipeeeee wrote: »

But we are.

This is really more a sign of how badly the EU market is stagnating than how "good" Ireland's economy is doing, to be quite frank.

shamrock55

But dont you know we will have full employment by 2016 ( cos by then there will be nobody left)

Frynge

I love it. Great country and lots of opportunity for people.

chupacabra

In fairness some of the towns in the middle of this country have always been kips.

jayobray

Certain parts of Ireland are in serious trouble, mostly small towns overly reliant on dying industries.

Nash Bridges

It really depends where in the country you are, Dublin is not far off booming, Cork City and Galway City are doing well in general. More rural areas, small towns and Waterford aren't doing so well and are unlikely to recover to any level of prosperity in the short to medium term.

As long as the large multinationals stick around and farming/agribusiness remains strong Ireland will continue to do okay. The reality for most is somewhere in the middle of "Best-small-country" twee and complete doom and gloom.

6541

chupacabra wrote: »

In fairness some of the towns in the middle of this country have always been kips.

I take that on board, but what I am noticing is the Recession is really biting now. its Serious.

ancapailldorcha

chupacabra wrote: »

In fairness some of the towns in the middle of this country have always been kips.

This in a big way.

In the UK, most towns are near to at least one large city and serve as commuter towns. In Ireland a lot of towns, especially in the north-west and west are little more than a chapel, a handful of pubs and a corner shop. They're almost completely pointless.

DoYouEvenLift

Didn't social welfare mail out letters encouraging unemployed people to emigrate last year?

Flood

chupacabra wrote: »

In fairness some of the towns in the middle of this country have always been kips.

And always will be.

AndonHandon

Is the OP stuck in 2011?

The Celtic Phoenix has risen.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Just a little Samba wrote: »

This is really more a sign of how badly the EU market is stagnating than how "good" Ireland's economy is doing, to be quite frank.

No. It's real growth. Rural Ireland was in trouble before the recession. Growth will be in cities and more young people will move to cities. This isn't exclusive to Ireland. If anything, Ireland is behind the curve.

jamesbere

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Didn't social welfare mail out letters encouraging unemployed people to emigrate last year?

No that was me

Caliden

We are but you can't attract foreign investment if we say we're in the shítter.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Frynge wrote: »

I love it. Great country and lots of opportunity for people.

Hey! Stop being so optimistic! Don't you know the chief export of Ireland is bottled misery and negativity?

Just a little Samba

Youth unemployment at 29%, one of the highest rates of graduate under employment in the EU.

#sureitsgrand

kneemos

Internet and big store shopping has ruined many small towns.
A lot of people will drive twenty or thirty miles or more to do a weekly shop in a large supermarket.

goat2

i dont do internet shopping,
rather spend locally, i see loads of students working weekends in my local to help fund their education, my own did it and for that i am thankful that the local shops employed them during holidays and weekends it helped us alot, we would not have been able to cope without this, and for that i am forever grateful, i remind the young ones of this and to give back.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Hey! Stop being so optimistic! Don't you know the chief export of Ireland is bottled misery and negativity?

God if we could sell that we'd make the Saudi oil families look like paupers.

Valetta

6541 wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

A whole generation have left.

Not true.

There are zero jobs.

Not true.

go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.

Nobody at all? Wonder how they stay in business.

The country is a basket case

Opinion stated as fact.

The_Captain

Tony EH wrote: »

And yet you'll have some gombeens trying to tell you that we're the fastest growing economy in Europe.

:pac:

"Everything's getting better" say the rich bastárds who didn't suffer for a single day under the recession.

the evasion_kid

Stand up for our national anthem :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WhhSBgd3KI

sjb25

6541 wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

Official goverment solution

shamrock55

Valetta wrote: »

Not true.

Not true.

Nobody at all? Wonder how they stay in business.

Opinion stated as fact

under what rock are you living??

El_Duderino 09

kneemos wrote: »

Internet and big store shopping has ruined many small towns.
A lot of people will drive twenty or thirty miles or more to do a weekly shop in a large supermarket.

That's happening everywhere the Internet has taken hold. The OPs observations are applicable all over the developed world for similar reasons.

In England there is a trend towards Urbanisation and migration south. For ever job created in the south of England, 12 jobs are lost on the north.

On aggregate there is genuine growth which is comprised of a boom in major urban areas and moderate growth in big towns and probably no change in most small towns and continued recession in rural areas.

This is not an exclusively Irish problem.

hfallada

Young people are the most educated generation Ireland has ever seen. If they have gone to ucd or Trinity to study business or science for 4 years. Why would they go home to the village they came from in the west where they can't get a well paid job that relates to their degree? You can't expect a village to have a well paid jobs for every one related to their degree.

Also a lot of young people want to live in cities. Why live in a small minded kip in the Midlands. When you can do whatever you like in Dublin or London without people judging you. People like the anonymity that cities offer

Dyr

Best little country in the world for big business!

SEPT 23 1989

yipeeeee wrote: »

But we are.

from what baseline have we started growing?

Mr. Incognito

It's actually worse that people think.


The government incentives I can think of are

1. Hoarding overpriced property the taxpayer over paid for and creating an artificial bubble in residential property.

2. Offering a CGT Holiday to foreign cash investors who bought up stock at zero risk. Any increase in value between their purchase and the next 7 years is a tax free profit.

3. Most of that stock will be sold to young Irish couples at still vastly over inflated prices due to 1. when they take out a credit union loan to meet the 15% deposit, then when Europe actually recovers and interest rates increase then they will default on their Credit Union loans wiping loads of them out, then their mortgages leading to another crash.

4. Ireland has NOT been forgiven the Debt- All that happened is the Capital repayments were kicked out to 2027 and we are servicing the Interest until then. Today's politicians simply kicked the can down the road.

5. NO Government incentive to create real jobs, just scam bridge where paid workers and unpaid workers work side by side and the minimum wage is effectively halved.

I fooking despise the spineless idiots we elect and the spineless idiots that elect them

5rtytry56

hfallada wrote: »

When you can do whatever you like in Dublin or London without people judging you. People like the anonymity that cities offer

There.

El_Duderino 09

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

from what baseline have we started growing?

A low baseline but How on earth is that worth picking out? Today there are more jobs than yesterday and tomorrow there will be more jobs than today.

Would you propose us absolute numbers instead? I just want to know about the trend.

6541

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

It's actually worse that people think.


The government incentives I can think of are

1. Hoarding overpriced property the taxpayer over paid for and creating an artificial bubble in residential property.

2. Offering a CGT Holiday to foreign cash investors who bought up stock at zero risk. Any increase in value between their purchase and the next 7 years is a tax free profit.

3. Most of that stock will be sold to young Irish couples at still vastly over inflated prices due to 1. when they take out a credit union loan to meet the 15% deposit, then when Europe actually recovers and interest rates increase then they will default on their Credit Union loans wiping loads of them out, then their mortgages leading to another crash.

4. Ireland has NOT been forgiven the Debt- All that happened is the Capital repayments were kicked out to 2027 and we are servicing the Interest until then. Today's politicians simply kicked the can down the road.

5. NO Government incentive to create real jobs, just scam bridge where paid workers and unpaid workers work side by side and the minimum wage is effectively halved.

I fooking despise the spineless idiots we elect and the spineless idiots that elect them

bang on the money mate! I was going to buy a house this year, but on mature reflection I think that anyone that invests in Irish property should get there head examined ! The place is Fooked. I might be looking to get out !

bjork

Is this your first time out of Dublin in 7 years?
Holiday at home more> Do your part for the economy you are bitterly complaining about

Unless you have been in rural Ireland in the last 7 years, just with your eyes closed?

The_Captain

hfallada wrote: »

Young people are the most educated generation Ireland has ever seen. If they have gone to ucd or Trinity to study business or science for 4 years. Why would they go home to the village they came from in the west where they can't get a well paid job that relates to their degree? You can't expect a village to have a well paid jobs for every one related to their degree.

Also a lot of young people want to live in cities. Why live in a small minded kip in the Midlands. When you can do whatever you like in Dublin or London without people judging you. People like the anonymity that cities offer

As long as you aren't wearing pov clothes, have the wrong accent, eating in Supermikes, holding the wrong cultural values or being noticeably different, we won't judge you at all.

6541

I would like a real impartial economist to come on here and spell out exactly where we are.

RobertKK

Yeah, yeah, Ireland is in trouble...

Apple to invest €850 million in a data centre in Galway.

El_Duderino 09

The_Captain wrote: »

"Everything's getting better" say the rich bastárds who didn't suffer for a single day under the recession.

And those who actually pay attention to the news. And those who are getting those new jobs. And the economists.

The only ones who can't accept the growth for what it is are the opposition parties on all the countries that are doing well.

The ones whinging about how it's not improving fast enough are probably the unemployed block layers and truck drivers who are waiting for full employment rather than retraining

RecordStraight

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's happening everywhere the Internet has taken hold. The OPs observations are applicable all over the developed world for similar reasons.

In England there is a trend towards Urbanisation and migration south. For ever job created in the south of England, 12 jobs are lost on the north.

On aggregate there is genuine growth which is comprised of a boom in major urban areas and moderate growth in big towns and probably no change in most small towns and continued recession in rural areas.

This is not an exclusively Irish problem.

I'm sorry, we want easy answers and a government to blame. Take your fancy book-learning talk elsewhere.

Asmooh

6541 wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

Excuse me?? I lived in Holland and got a job offer in Ireland and I didn't even really apply, I only asked for information.
Since I moved here I got a few job offers based on my linkedin and not even asking for it.. even companies willing to pay everything just to move to them, but im fine over here for now.

RecordStraight

Bambi wrote: »

Best little country in the world for big business!

Certainly in the top ten. It drives the socialists mad.

RecordStraight

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

from what baseline have we started growing?

The one where the crash of the bubble left us.

Cee-Jay-Cee

The miserable ****ty cold pissy weather doesn't help matters. If you were looking at the same towns/streets in bright sunshine you's have a different view of them and they woukdnt look so bad

You also have to remember the Catholic church imposed period of lent is happening at moment too and so and so pubs are generally quieter this time of year as the good catholics of Ireland abstain from booze therefore diminishing their tolerance to it so that when they do break out on St Patricks day they get stupid drunk on less drink.

So to sum up, the weather and Catholic Church are to blame for the miserableness of Ireland right now.

The_Captain

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And those who actually pay attention to the news. And those who are getting those new jobs. And the economists.

The only ones who can't accept the growth for what it is are the opposition parties on all the countries that are doing well.

The ones whinging about how it's not improving fast enough are probably the unemployed block layers and truck drivers who are waiting for full employment rather than retraining

Or people in full-time employment who still have to put up with pay freezes and wage cuts while rents and the cost of living goes up.

Streetwalker

When all the spin is taken away, all the BS from state TV and special interest media the truth is the country is in a very bad way. The jobs being created besides a few silicone valley type jobs are all low paid slave labour positions with little or no job worth.

RecordStraight

Streetwalker wrote: »

When all the spin is taken away, all the BS from start TV and special interest media the truth is the country is in a very bad way. The jobs being created besides a few silicone valley type jobs are all low paid slave labour positions with little or no job worth.

'Start TV'?

The 'spin' is coming from hard statistics. Nobody is pretending that we are back to Bubble-Ireland (thank Christ, we know where that leads) but to pretend that jobs are not being created, incomes and tax-takes improving, and the economy growing is idiotic.

If you can't understand what statistics actually mean, then you were never going to be a high-flyer anyway.

Streetwalker

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Youth unemployment at 29%, one of the highest rates of graduate under employment in the EU.

#sureitsgrand

They are all tracksuit wearing layabouts sure :rolleyes:

El_Duderino 09

The_Captain wrote: »

Or people in full-time employment who still have to put up with pay freezes and wage cuts while rents and the cost of living goes up.

Yeah that's a fair comment. If you are trapped in your job you have some of my sympathy. I left Uni in 2007 so I've bounced around from sh1tty job to sh1tty job while going back to do a masters. So from my point of view the growth is real because it's people like me that employers are looking for. I.E. Entry level post-graduate positions.

Given that those in full time employment have had to endure pay freeze, while I worked for minimum wage with almost no rights and absolutely no bargaining power. I'm sure you'll understand if I reserve some of my sympathy