I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-02-2015 09:54AM

Sorry, but are people seriously advcatging that Ireland has near 100% employment?

Seems like it.

syklops · 24-02-2015 10:01AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Nail meet head, very well said.

It;s not that long ago that Eamonn Dunphy resigned from D'OB/Today FM because of what he said was the pressure from his producers to produce "happy clappy radio". A few years on and we have a fully developed happy clappy media who love to report a few jobs here and there and ignore the exodus of emigrants and their parents who would never have known Skype if it wasn't for the mess that our politicians have us in.

To the average Fine Gael voter house price inflation and skyrocketing rents means that we are having an econmic recovery. That's why they keep banging on about 'the recovery' because they feel it in their pockets while the rest of us pay for it. FG and especially Michael Noonan structured things this way, they definitely made 'the hard decisions' and now we all know exactly who those decisions were hard on and who they were soft on, that much has become plainly obvious to everyone at this stage, the only people who actually aren't saying it is the media.

And round we go again, except this time people will call out the lies as they get spoken. Amen to that.

What media are you watching that is happy clappy and positive all the time. Because its not the same one I experience every day.

"Ah jaysus Joe its just terrible, and Im living off of wheetabix, and I had to cancel the Sky Joe, and we had to burn the dog to heat the sitting room"

Valetta · 24-02-2015 10:03AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Sorry, but are people seriously advcatging that Ireland has near 100% employment?

Seems like it.

You see what you want to see.

Where was it said they we have near 100% employment?

Dyr · 24-02-2015 10:04AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Depends on what type of persona you are I guess. If you're generally negative and full of doom and gloom, it will come out in every aspect of your life. If you're positive and tend to make the best of a bad situation, well you might fair better.

What do you suggest we should do given the current situation?

Sounds like the bertie ahern "cribbers and moaners" school of forecasting. :pac:

Pinch Flat · 24-02-2015 10:16AM

Bambi wrote: »

Sounds like the bertie ahern "cribbers and moaners" school of forecasting. :pac:

Yeah I know plenty of people that got jobs from cribbing and moaning. :pac:

jimgoose · 24-02-2015 10:16AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yeah I know plenty of people that got jobs from cribbing and moaning. :pac:

The squeaky wheel gets the sup of oil around here, bah!

AudreyHepburn · 24-02-2015 10:30AM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

And wosh, the point of 290,000 on the register vs 10,000 jobs (which isn't actually 10,000 jobs) being posted on a site goes right over your head.

There are 24 applicants to every job opportunity. So even if 1 in 24 get a job, there are still the other 23 left unemployed.

There's not enough Topaz shops in all the land for the magic job fairy to sort everyone out.

Nothings gone over my head at all. My point was do people actually try for these jobs when they come up or are they only willing to go for jobs in their own sector?

I have to wonder because there are a lot of jobs on offer, no matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise, but people continually whine and moan that there is no work.

It just makes no sense to me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 24-02-2015 02:03PM

Valetta wrote: »

You see what you want to see.

Where was it said they we have near 100% employment?

The idea that, if you don't have a job, then you're lazy or not trying hard enough.

This implies that there is a job out there for every person who doesn't have one - therefore, 100% employment.

MRnotlob606 · 24-02-2015 02:04PM

that's why we have nukes.

Valetta · 24-02-2015 02:06PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The idea that, if you don't have a job, then you're lazy or not trying hard enough.

This implies that there is a job out there for every person who doesn't have one - therefore, 100% employment.

Again, you're only seeing what you want.

Can you quote posts to back up this "idea" you speak of?

Maximus Alexander · 24-02-2015 02:12PM

Get with the times OP, the majority of the global population live in cities now. Rural areas across the globe are near derelict.

Pinch Flat · 24-02-2015 02:43PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The idea that, if you don't have a job, then you're lazy or not trying hard enough.

This implies that there is a job out there for every person who doesn't have one - therefore, 100% employment.

Even in "full employment" back I the day there would have been about 5% on the dole - a lot of whom could have found work if they looked hard enough.

As someone that has been unemployed it's a mixture of luck, tenacity and never giving up, if you have that attitude there's a job there for you. If you don't well - there's not.

A neighbour of mine was out of work for about 5 years - he's foreign so spoke fluent English and a second EU language. I couldn't undestand why he wouldn't apply to the big multi nationals who are crying out for multi lingual people in many areas - his own background was business and he'd been made redundant. His own justification was low salary - better stay on the rock n roll rather than a relatively low end job

Wompa1 · 24-02-2015 04:25PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Get with the times OP, the majority of the global population live in cities now. Rural areas across the globe are near derelict.

With technology advancements many large companies in New York and London are actually requiring staff to work from home 100% of the time. The price of real estate space in cities is rising and rising. In about 5-10 years, whatever task worker office jobs have not been automated, will be remote work.

My last job was 100% remote work, I was working for a Cloud computing solutions provider. My whole job was migrating existing small to middle sized clients into the cloud to enable them to work remotely to offset the cost of leasing an office space, paying for IT consultants to do ad-hoc work and maintain their own hardware. So it's happening across the board. Just wait...

Maximus Alexander · 24-02-2015 04:30PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

With technology advancements many large companies in New York and London are actually requiring staff to work from home 100% of the time. The price of real estate space in cities is rising and rising. In about 5-10 years, whatever task worker office jobs have not been automated, will be remote work.

My last job was 100% remote work, I was working for a Cloud computing solutions provider. My whole job was migrating existing small to middle sized clients into the cloud to enable them to work remotely to offset the cost of leasing an office space, paying for IT consultants to do ad-hoc work and maintain their own hardware. So it's happening across the board. Just wait...

Not sure if that was meant to be a refutation of what I said, but if so it seems like a non sequitur. Anyway, urbanisation is projected to continue.

TommyOM · 24-02-2015 04:33PM

I just can't agree.

This has been the case for many towns in Ireland for decades. Even during the boom towns such as Limerick and Cork were absolute kips of the highest order.

syklops · 24-02-2015 05:06PM

TommyOM wrote: »

I just can't agree.

This has been the case for many towns in Ireland for decades. Even during the boom towns such as Limerick and Cork were absolute kips of the highest order.

I dont entirely agree that all of Limerick is a kip, but there are many backwater, one horse towns out there that were in disrepair when everything else was going well.

I had to chuckle at the OPs mention that Roscommon was looking run down.

The economy is picking up a bit and there are jobs out there. The problem for many people is they left IT degrees to go work in construction and now dont have skills where there is demand. My employer is desperate for people with the right skills. They'd even take people with basic IT skills and provide training for them as we have such a shortage of personnel. There are many other IT companies in this boat, even to the point where they are importing people from other countries. Unfortunately Fas upskilling courses seem to be inadequate, so thats a problem that wont be fixed any time soon.

KingBrian2 · 24-02-2015 09:58PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Yes the same posters, as usual banging on about there 'being jobs available', while ignoring that there are not nearly enough jobs available - with, as mentioned above, 24 unemployed people per job vacancy.

I wonder what posters need is, to try and put a positive spin on a really shít situation - if people don't stay realistic about this, and actually face up to the darker reality, looking at the massive hurdles we're going to be slamming into (deflation), then they're just fooling themselves and others, into thinking everything is ok - when it's not, it's very far from it, and we're actually nowhere near the path to recovery (because the hurdles - deflation - will be blocking/reversing any current progress we're making).

Pretty much nothing is going to change while people are fooling themselves like that - we'll just be walking blind into yet more future crises, wondering why we never have any actual economic recovery - and we'll end up going on in this state for decades.

The problem with your analysis is your not paying attention to the actual economic data out there. Look at the unemployment rate, go check out the health of the economy through the various channels that contain stats. Not just the media but the Central Bank or the ERSI. Or you could screw that and just look at the Irish stock market to see how many new companies have been formed, their current performance.

bb1234567 · 24-02-2015 10:00PM

Tony EH wrote: »

And yet you'll have some gombeens trying to tell you that we're the fastest growing economy in Europe.

:pac:

We are Though. Are we to believe your opinion which is probably formed by your experiences of life in some dreary little rural town or the statistics that say otherwise?

bb1234567 · 24-02-2015 10:02PM

6541 wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

Its not like that in Dublin anyway, or Cork from what I can see and I go there a lot.

Eugene Norman · 24-02-2015 10:05PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

We are Though. Are we to believe your opinion which is probably formed by your experiences of life in some dreary little rural town or the statistics that say otherwise?

The thing isn't, of course, dreary little towns make up a fairly significant part of the country. If they are not doing well the country as a whole isn't.

Cody montana · 24-02-2015 10:05PM

Why before the recession Mallow could have been mistaken for a lovely little village in the Alps.

AlteredStates · 24-02-2015 10:06PM

Looks that way in the winter... Everywhere looks great in the summer!

Eugene Norman · 24-02-2015 10:08PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The problem with your analysis is your not paying attention to the actual economic data out there. Look at the unemployment rate, go check out the health of the economy through the various channels that contain stats. Not just the media but the Central Bank or the ERSI. Or you could screw that and just look at the Irish stock market to see how many new companies have been formed, their current performance.

The problem with your analysis is mistaking one year of catch up growth with "recovery". For the reasons I outlined earlier in this thread ireland is merely masking a future crash.

bb1234567 · 24-02-2015 10:11PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

The thing isn't, of course, dreary little towns make up a fairly significant part of the country. If they are not doing well the country as a whole isn't.

Not really. Almost exactly half the entire countries population live in the combined cork and dublin metropolitan areas!

itsallok · 24-02-2015 10:13PM

6541 wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Ireland is in serious trouble now.
I drove across the country at the weekend and it is shocking the state of some of the towns, street after street are lying derelict.
A whole generation have left.
There are zero jobs.
Where I live the soul has been ripped out of the town, go for a drink to be greeted with nobody in the pubs / clubs.
7 years of this and no sign of it ending !
The country is a basket case.

Ah, the Monday morning FEAR. Nothing good ever comes of a Monday morning.

kkelly77 · 24-02-2015 10:14PM

THIS might have something to do with Ireland's state o' chasis

Cody montana · 24-02-2015 10:16PM

I actually moved back to Ireland in 2012 after being gone for 4 years.
I notice no major difference.

andrew · 24-02-2015 10:18PM

kkelly77 wrote: »

THIS might have something to do with Ireland's state o' chasis

Dunno where they're getting that figure, but it's certainly not Government debt/GDP

deadybai · 24-02-2015 10:21PM

If you want to see utter depression come down to Waterford. I'd love to see unemployment statistics for Waterford compared to the rest of Ireland. Even the bus to Dublin service is being cancelled. If Ireland recovers in the next 2-5 years, Waterford will take 10-15 if ever.

bb1234567 · 24-02-2015 10:21PM

kkelly77 wrote: »

THIS might have something to do with Ireland's state o' chasis

It doesn't even say what year its from? We are hardly more in debt than greece any longer

I am convinced that Ireland is in Serious trouble

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