Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

First Up · 22-02-2015 07:13PM

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

Another one in a tight game might jig things a bit.

.ak · 22-02-2015 07:18PM

First Up wrote: »

Another one in a tight game might jig things a bit.

Maybe, just like if he pulls a few wide, then he'd look at his technique
But until that happens they won't change anything.

phog · 22-02-2015 07:20PM

.ak wrote: »

Maybe, just like if he pulls a few wide, then he'd look at his technique
But until that happens they won't change anything.

I'll be shocked if they/he doesn't speed the kick up a tad.

Mahatma Geansai · 22-02-2015 07:22PM

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

Now that one ref has pinged him for taking too long, other refs might take notice. At a minimum, Poite will now be very aware of Sexton taking too long when kicking.

I'm surprised that it has taken so long for Sexton to be penalised actually. He regularly goes over the allotted time.

bilston · 22-02-2015 07:58PM

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

It potentially cost Racing 2 points last night. If it costs Ireland 2 points in the Six Nations or Leinster points next season I dare say he will make changes

thomond2006 · 22-02-2015 08:09PM

I'd expect that kicking clock (reminds me of a play clock in NFL) to be implemented globally for every televised top level match. It's a positive addition for many reasons.

Podge_irl · 22-02-2015 08:13PM

Sexton regularly goes over the alotted time. It drives me mad. It's not a big problem unless he starts getting pinged for it more frequently and he's not about to change his routine but it is very much a potential problem.

shuffol · 22-02-2015 08:27PM

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

That's a bit like saying I'll bolt the door once the horse is gone. I'd hope he takes what happened as a warning and be more conscious about the time he's taking.

.ak · 22-02-2015 08:28PM

phog wrote: »

I'll be shocked if they/he doesn't speed the kick up a tad.

Why would they? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

.ak · 22-02-2015 08:31PM

bilston wrote: »

It potentially cost Racing 2 points last night. If it costs Ireland 2 points in the Six Nations or Leinster points next season I dare say he will make changes

If.

That's like saying if he misses a kick because of his technique he'll change it. It's the same thing.

I'll repeat myself, he's only gone over the allotted time once. He's miss more kicks than that, but nobody goes on about it.

They'd be crazy to look at his routine now, he's swinging the club well.

.ak · 22-02-2015 08:33PM

shuffol wrote: »

That's a bit like saying I'll bolt the door once the horse is gone. I'd hope he takes what happened as a warning and be more conscious about the time he's taking.

How do you know he isn't already? The fact he takes his time yet had never gone over the allotted time before last night suggests he is conscious. He's a consummate professional, I'm sure he's deadly aware of the time he takes.

Mahatma Geansai · 22-02-2015 08:56PM

.ak wrote: »

If.

That's like saying if he misses a kick because of his technique he'll change it. It's the same thing.

I'll repeat myself, he's only gone over the allotted time once. He's miss more kicks than that, but nobody goes on about it.

They'd be crazy to look at his routine now, he's swinging the club well.

He has never been penalised for going over the allotted time, but he regularly goes over this time.

.ak · 22-02-2015 09:06PM

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

He has never been penalised for going over the allotted time, but he regularly goes over this time.

Does he? Not being smart but can you prove it?

22-02-2015 09:15PM

He definitely, definitely, definitely does.

22-02-2015 09:18PM

Not like I'm timing it or anything but I'd be surprised if he didn't go over the 60 seconds semi-regularly. He stands over some kicks for an age.

But I agree with .ak that it's not really an issue at the moment, certainly not yet.

irishbucsfan · 22-02-2015 09:20PM

I would put good money on Sexton having exceeded the 60 seconds once per game for Ireland since Schmidt took over...

aimee1 · 22-02-2015 10:03PM

Tara Small Yawn wrote: »

Not like I'm timing it or anything but I'd be surprised if he didn't go over the 60 seconds semi-regularly. He stands over some kicks for an age.

But I agree with .ak that it's not really an issue at the moment, certainly not yet.

i think getting pinged for it makes it a problem, you can be sure opposition coaches will now raise it in the pre match chat with the refs

First Up · 22-02-2015 10:10PM

I'm not a fan of Poite but I'm glad someone called Sexton on his routine. They either stop the clock while kickers are readying themselves or enforce the already generous time allowed. It is self indulgent and an inexcusable waste of playing time. Tickets are dear enough and I object to spending money looking at Johnny going through whatever set of mantras he uses before the relatively straightforward process of kicking a ball.

22-02-2015 10:13PM

Sexton is going to take a game winning kick in the dying minutes some time soon and everyone is going to be super happy he takes his sweet ass time about it.

phog · 22-02-2015 10:13PM

.ak wrote: »

They do, it's up to the ref and they do check the watch.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

All referees time the kicks and do penalise kickers if they are going over time. There isn't a need for a penalty clock to show the time

I'm well aware the ref times the kicks and occasionally would have heard refs caution kickers about their timing. Currently in the Top14 a timer appears on the TV screen thus making the viwers more aware of the delay, it could also remove any discretion the ref might have used up to now.

First Up · 22-02-2015 10:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sexton is going to take a game winning kick in the dying minutes some time soon and everyone is going to be super happy he takes his sweet ass time about it.

Or he is going to be standing forever over a game winning kick when the ref runs out of patience.

22-02-2015 10:26PM

I remember being sitting directly opposite where he was taking the kick against NZ. Expected him to kick it but as time went on got less and less confident. I think the time is more than generous and in fits and starts we have seen refs apply it this season where teams have tried to take an age bringing on the kicking tee or general fluting around to run down the clock. Howeverm like the crooked feed to the scrum its only applied on occasion which makes it frustrating.

shuffol · 22-02-2015 10:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sexton is going to take a game winning kick in the dying minutes some time soon and everyone is going to be super happy he takes his sweet ass time about it.

Damn you, just remembered his kick that never was from the game that never happened.

.ak · 22-02-2015 10:39PM

Have any of you actually timed his kicks, since the rule came in?

You know how it goes, the onus of proof, etc., etc.

First Up · 22-02-2015 10:45PM

.ak wrote: »

Have any of you actually timed his kicks, since the rule came in?

You know how it goes, the onus of proof, etc., etc.

I think we will be doing it next Sunday but from casual observation, he takes a lot longer than any other kicker on the big stage and I'm not surprised it has come into focus.

22-02-2015 10:52PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf3HExgB68U

12th minute (match clock) is fully taken with Sexton's kick routine. (Barnes motions to posts at 11:55)
17:30 -> 18:30 is fully taken with Sexton's kick routine
31:10 on match clock, Barnes points at posts. Sexton connects with the ball at 32:35
38:02 Barnes points at posts, Sexton kicks @ 38:57. The most straightforward kick of them all and we're getting close to the time limit.
66:36 Barnes points at posts, 67:45 he connects.

durkadurka · 22-02-2015 10:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf3HExgB68U

12th minute (match clock) is fully taken with Sexton's kick routine
17:30 -> 18:30 is fully taken with Sexton's kick routine
31:10 on match clock, Barnes points at posts. Sexton connects with the ball at 32:35
38:02 Barnes points at posts, Sexton kicks @ 38:57. The most straightforward kick of them all and we're getting close to the time limit.

So it's measured from when he received the tee .

The one on 31 mins , he received it at 31.30 and kicks at 32.35

Buer · 22-02-2015 10:58PM

If yesterday is the first time he has ever been called on it in 200 senior professional games, why would he change something that might impact him negatively?

Richie McCaw risks costing his team 3 points every game with some of his breakdown work but he's not going to change how he approaches it. You play the referee.

EDIT: And, as durka points out, the time commences from when the tee arrives, not from when the posts are indicated towards.

aimee1 · 22-02-2015 11:00PM

Buer wrote: »

If yesterday is the first time he has ever been called on it in 200 senior professional games, why would he change something that might impact him negatively?

Richie McCaw risks costing his team 3 points every game with some of his breakdown work but he's not going to change how he approaches it. You play the referee.

McCaws work is subjective, timing on kicks isnt.

durkadurka · 22-02-2015 11:02PM

The 12 th minute one is 12.05 to 13.02

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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