Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

Another one in a tight game might jig things a bit.

First Up wrote: »

Another one in a tight game might jig things a bit.

Maybe, just like if he pulls a few wide, then he'd look at his technique
But until that happens they won't change anything.

phog

.ak wrote: »

Maybe, just like if he pulls a few wide, then he'd look at his technique
But until that happens they won't change anything.

I'll be shocked if they/he doesn't speed the kick up a tad.

Mahatma Geansai

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

Now that one ref has pinged him for taking too long, other refs might take notice. At a minimum, Poite will now be very aware of Sexton taking too long when kicking.

I'm surprised that it has taken so long for Sexton to be penalised actually. He regularly goes over the allotted time.

bilston

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

It potentially cost Racing 2 points last night. If it costs Ireland 2 points in the Six Nations or Leinster points next season I dare say he will make changes

thomond2006

I'd expect that kicking clock (reminds me of a play clock in NFL) to be implemented globally for every televised top level match. It's a positive addition for many reasons.

Podge_irl

Sexton regularly goes over the alotted time. It drives me mad. It's not a big problem unless he starts getting pinged for it more frequently and he's not about to change his routine but it is very much a potential problem.

shuffol

.ak wrote: »

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

That's a bit like saying I'll bolt the door once the horse is gone. I'd hope he takes what happened as a warning and be more conscious about the time he's taking.

phog wrote: »

I'll be shocked if they/he doesn't speed the kick up a tad.

Why would they? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

bilston wrote: »

It potentially cost Racing 2 points last night. If it costs Ireland 2 points in the Six Nations or Leinster points next season I dare say he will make changes

If.

That's like saying if he misses a kick because of his technique he'll change it. It's the same thing.

I'll repeat myself, he's only gone over the allotted time once. He's miss more kicks than that, but nobody goes on about it.

They'd be crazy to look at his routine now, he's swinging the club well.

shuffol wrote: »

That's a bit like saying I'll bolt the door once the horse is gone. I'd hope he takes what happened as a warning and be more conscious about the time he's taking.

How do you know he isn't already? The fact he takes his time yet had never gone over the allotted time before last night suggests he is conscious. He's a consummate professional, I'm sure he's deadly aware of the time he takes.

Mahatma Geansai

.ak wrote: »

If.

That's like saying if he misses a kick because of his technique he'll change it. It's the same thing.

I'll repeat myself, he's only gone over the allotted time once. He's miss more kicks than that, but nobody goes on about it.

They'd be crazy to look at his routine now, he's swinging the club well.

He has never been penalised for going over the allotted time, but he regularly goes over this time.

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

He has never been penalised for going over the allotted time, but he regularly goes over this time.

Does he? Not being smart but can you prove it?

He definitely, definitely, definitely does.

Not like I'm timing it or anything but I'd be surprised if he didn't go over the 60 seconds semi-regularly. He stands over some kicks for an age.

But I agree with .ak that it's not really an issue at the moment, certainly not yet.

irishbucsfan

I would put good money on Sexton having exceeded the 60 seconds once per game for Ireland since Schmidt took over...

aimee1

Interested Observer wrote: »

Not like I'm timing it or anything but I'd be surprised if he didn't go over the 60 seconds semi-regularly. He stands over some kicks for an age.

But I agree with .ak that it's not really an issue at the moment, certainly not yet.

i think getting pinged for it makes it a problem, you can be sure opposition coaches will now raise it in the pre match chat with the refs

I'm not a fan of Poite but I'm glad someone called Sexton on his routine. They either stop the clock while kickers are readying themselves or enforce the already generous time allowed. It is self indulgent and an inexcusable waste of playing time. Tickets are dear enough and I object to spending money looking at Johnny going through whatever set of mantras he uses before the relatively straightforward process of kicking a ball.

Sexton is going to take a game winning kick in the dying minutes some time soon and everyone is going to be super happy he takes his sweet ass time about it.

phog

.ak wrote: »

They do, it's up to the ref and they do check the watch.

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

All referees time the kicks and do penalise kickers if they are going over time. There isn't a need for a penalty clock to show the time

I'm well aware the ref times the kicks and occasionally would have heard refs caution kickers about their timing. Currently in the Top14 a timer appears on the TV screen thus making the viwers more aware of the delay, it could also remove any discretion the ref might have used up to now.

Deleted User wrote: »

Sexton is going to take a game winning kick in the dying minutes some time soon and everyone is going to be super happy he takes his sweet ass time about it.

Or he is going to be standing forever over a game winning kick when the ref runs out of patience.

I remember being sitting directly opposite where he was taking the kick against NZ. Expected him to kick it but as time went on got less and less confident. I think the time is more than generous and in fits and starts we have seen refs apply it this season where teams have tried to take an age bringing on the kicking tee or general fluting around to run down the clock. Howeverm like the crooked feed to the scrum its only applied on occasion which makes it frustrating.

shuffol

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sexton is going to take a game winning kick in the dying minutes some time soon and everyone is going to be super happy he takes his sweet ass time about it.

Damn you, just remembered his kick that never was from the game that never happened.

Have any of you actually timed his kicks, since the rule came in?

You know how it goes, the onus of proof, etc., etc.

.ak wrote: »

Have any of you actually timed his kicks, since the rule came in?

You know how it goes, the onus of proof, etc., etc.

I think we will be doing it next Sunday but from casual observation, he takes a lot longer than any other kicker on the big stage and I'm not surprised it has come into focus.