Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

First Up · 22-02-2015 10:25AM

bilston wrote: »

Win win then, he gets gametime and Racing get him on the field and get a draw with Clermont. However I read that he was timed out on a penalty. I was getting a bit worried about that against France as well. He seems to take ages. I assumed he had the timings under control but this suggests he needs to be really careful.

He really needs to get that sorted.

SaveOurLyric · 22-02-2015 11:19AM

bilston wrote: »

it does give Joe an extra couple.of games to have a look at things before the Italian and French games come around.

Presumes Joe has any interest in looking around though. He knows as much about Earls and Fitz for example as he wants. There is no more to learn, nor they can do to change his thoughts. Its about perfecting the game plan with those he is now picking, and coaching them to implement his strategy better and better. If you know who you want as your 1st 15, chopping and changing to 'give guys a chance' , or ' see what they can do' is counter productive when he needs to maximise his limited opportunity coaching of them. Experimentation is something he could indulge in with Leinster, but best avoided in the international setup. Trimble, as only an injury absence, who would not have been dropped, and is more of a Joe style player than Zebo, is the only potential voluntary change for the backs for the world cup. And even that is unlikely if The Zebonator continues to not let the side does, implement Plan Joe, and stay healthy.

redmca2 · 22-02-2015 01:45PM

I'm relieved that Sexton got pinged for taking too long in a match that has no significance for Ireland. It was bound to happen. He is appallingly slow. Should be a welcome wake up call for him and Joe Schmidt too.

Reminds me of how Sergio Garcia was at one stage in freezing before taking a golf shot.

.ak · 22-02-2015 01:49PM

I don't see the issue personally. He's allowed take the allotted time.

case885 · 22-02-2015 01:50PM

.ak wrote: »

I don't see the issue personally. He's allowed take the allotted time.

Problem is he went over the time and was penalised, that shouldn't be happening.

errlloyd · 22-02-2015 01:52PM

He does take his sweet ****ing time alright.

phog · 22-02-2015 01:53PM

case885 wrote: »

Problem is he went over the time and was penalised, that shouldn't be happening.

And has been lucky not to have been penalised in previous games

.ak · 22-02-2015 01:56PM

case885 wrote: »

Problem is he went over the time and was penalised, that shouldn't be happening.

Once.

.ak · 22-02-2015 01:57PM

So long as he keeps knocking them over he shouldn't change a thing. He takes long, so what? He got pinged for it once, every other time it's been within the limit. He shouldn't change his routine because it annoys some fans.

phog · 22-02-2015 01:59PM

.ak wrote: »

Once.

Ah come on, he does stretch it to beyond the limits at times. If all games used the penalty clock like the T14 died then he'd need to speed up a but it suffer a similar fate as last night.

.ak · 22-02-2015 02:01PM

phog wrote: »

Ah come on, he does stretch it to beyond the limits at times. If all games used the penalty clock like the T14 died then he'd need to speed up a but it suffer a similar fate as last night.

They do, it's up to the ref and they do check the watch.

Tox56 · 22-02-2015 02:02PM

phog wrote: »

Ah come on, he does stretch it to beyond the limits at times. If all games used the penalty clock like the T14 died then he'd need to speed up a but it suffer a similar fate as last night.

Yeah but I dont think hes going to mess around with a successful routine unless he absolutely has to, and there hasnt been an indication so far that he'll be pinged for Ireland

redmca2 · 22-02-2015 02:07PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Yeah but I dont think hes going to mess around with a successful routine unless he absolutely has to, and there hasnt been an indication so far that he'll be pinged for Ireland

He won't get pinged FOR Ireland, but he may well get pinged by a referee who will be aware of yesterday's incident and may well even be reminded by opposition coaches prior to a match.

Bottom line -- he's very slow and if he is skirting the time limit rule he is taking an unnecessary risk. For a top class professional that is unacceptable.

case885 · 22-02-2015 02:09PM

.ak wrote: »

Once.

Still shouldnt be happening, he knows how much time he has and 90 seconds is alot of time to work around.
Anyway as long as it doesnt happen with Ireland i dont really mind.

sydthebeat · 22-02-2015 02:10PM

redmca2 wrote: »

For a top class professional that is unacceptable.

Unacceptable that a top class professional "skirts" the rules? ??

You wouldn't be top class unless you did. ....

Neil3030 · 22-02-2015 02:11PM

Guys, the referee was Romain Poite.

Wang King · 22-02-2015 02:14PM

Just looking at Sexton in general, his concussion layoff, and his first game back getting hit hard. Anyone else harbor any real fears that his career could be on a knife edge?

.ak · 22-02-2015 02:17PM

Wang King wrote: »

Just looking at Sexton in general, his concussion layoff, and his first game back getting hit hard. Anyone else harbor any real fears that his career could be on a knife edge?

You mean from concusion? I think he's had a rough 12 months but no I don't think so.

.ak · 22-02-2015 02:18PM

case885 wrote: »

Still shouldnt be happening, he knows how much time he has and 90 seconds is alot of time to work around.
Anyway as long as it doesnt happen with Ireland i dont really mind.

What's more important is his routine. Like I said it's happened once, and yes that IS acceptable. That's like saying it's not acceptable to make a mistake.

22-02-2015 02:20PM

.ak wrote: »

What's more important is his routine. Like I said it's happened once, and yes that IS acceptable. That's like saying it's not acceptable to make a mistake.

Yeah. As a one off it's not the end of the world, but hopefully he keeps mindful of it in future. And agree with the bolded, it's like saying a professional should always catch the ball or make the right decision or whatever, they're still only human.

Neil3030 · 22-02-2015 02:21PM

One fastidious little hirondelle does not make a summer in which the best out half in the world needs to change any aspect of his game.

Wang King · 22-02-2015 02:21PM

.ak wrote: »

You mean from concusion? I think he's had a rough 12 months but no I don't think so.

Yeah I do, I'm starting to think he's had concussion before, and played thru, not taken a break and that he may be more susceptible to it than most due to his history and playing style.
There's a lot to be said for the ROG tackling technique.
Hope to jebus I'm wrong, but I have this gnawing feeling in my gut

22-02-2015 02:22PM

Wang King wrote: »

Yeah I do, I'm starting to think he's had concussion before, and played thru, not taken a break and that he may be more susceptible to it than most due to his history and playing style.
There's a lot to be said for the ROG tackling technique.
Hope to jebus I'm wrong, but I have this gnawing feeling in my gut

I don't think there was any concussion from the France game, though obviously he could have certainly done without being belted in the head.

Buer · 22-02-2015 02:24PM

Wang King wrote: »

There's a lot to be said for the ROG tackling technique.

Things never uttered before in the history of mankind for $800, please Alex.

redmca2 · 22-02-2015 02:27PM

Some people still don't get my point.
The rule is as follows:
"No delay. If a kicker indicates to the referee the intention to kick a penalty kick at goal, the kick must be taken within one minute from the time the player indicates the intention to kick at goal. The intention to kick is signalled by the arrival of the kicking tee or sand, or when the player makes a mark on the ground. The player must complete the kick within one minute even if the ball rolls over and has to be placed again. If the one minute is exceeded, the kick is disallowed, a scrum is ordered at the place of the mark and the opponents throw in the ball. For any other type of kick, the kick must be taken without undue delay"

If JS is taking say 55 seconds of the allotted 60 every time and NO MORE then fine. I have looked again at the famous miss in the All Blacks match -- he was over 60 and could have been penalized, not that it mattered to the result as he missed the kick anyway.

The point is he needs to know that from now on the time may be bore more closely monitored by referees

bilston · 22-02-2015 02:29PM

I don't think Sexton should change his routine but he needs to make sure he is within the allotted time. Yesterday's mistake was significant given the match ended in a draw. That's why he needs to be careful not because it annoys some fans.

By the way it does annoy me! But as long as he is knocking them over and staying within the 60 seconds then I'll deal with it.

The Lost Sheep · 22-02-2015 02:46PM

.ak wrote: »

So long as he keeps knocking them over he shouldn't change a thing. He takes long, so what? He got pinged for it once, every other time it's been within the limit. He shouldn't change his routine because it annoys some fans.

He takes long and he does need to have some sort of look at his routine as if its too long and could be shorter then it should be looked at as he potentially could lose more games/not get the chance to win a game by having an overly long kicking routine.

phog wrote: »

Ah come on, he does stretch it to beyond the limits at times. If all games used the penalty clock like the T14 died then he'd need to speed up a but it suffer a similar fate as last night.

All referees time the kicks and do penalise kickers if they are going over time. There isn't a need for a penalty clock to show the time

redmca2 wrote: »

He won't get pinged FOR Ireland, but he may well get pinged by a referee who will be aware of yesterday's incident and may well even be reminded by opposition coaches prior to a match.

Bottom line -- he's very slow and if he is skirting the time limit rule he is taking an unnecessary risk. For a top class professional that is unacceptable.

He may get pinged for Ireland. A referee wont be thinking of yesterday if he is taking long to take kicks

Neil3030 wrote: »

Guys, the referee was Romain Poite.

And your point is?

Wang King · 22-02-2015 02:46PM

Tara Small Yawn wrote: »

I don't think there was any concussion from the France game, though obviously he could have certainly done without being belted in the head.

I don't think there was either, but it just highlighted the fact that he puts his head in areas he shouldn't and there may be consequences

total former · 22-02-2015 02:52PM

You can be damn sure that Poite would have told Sexton to hurry up before he pinged him.

He's always taken an age over kicks.

.ak · 22-02-2015 07:04PM

Meh, until it becomes a common occurrence I'd say his kicking coach is telling him not to change a thing.

Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread IV

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