‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

Frito · 04-02-2015 10:52PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is a road trip a good enough excuse for an abortion?

I'd prefer "the dog ate my condom".

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 10:53PM

Hadn't known about the abortion pill at all. That's quite radical the girl saying they'll post the abortion pills to people who want it.

Ave Sodalis · 04-02-2015 10:53PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I posted the following in the Stephen Fry thread, one could change atheists and theists for pro-choice and pro-life:

Atheists, theists and anyone in between... I mean do they think what they post or say really changes anyone to their viewpoint?
It is usually people on either side just thanking people who share their point of view rather than someone thanking to say 'yeah, that was a convincing argument'.

So if one continues arguing a point, it makes the person irrational as they are just going round in circles arguing the same thing.

That doesn't explain why it's a valid complaint though, unless you're suggesting people are just thanks whoring? I haven't seen any of that here.

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 10:55PM

sup_dude wrote: »

That doesn't explain why it's a valid complaint though, unless you're suggesting people are just thanks whoring? I haven't seen any of that here.

Why would people even do this 'thanks whoring'? what difference does thanks number actually make to anything? Nothing as far as I can see.

RDM_83 again · 04-02-2015 10:56PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Why do people always bring this up in threads? If someone says something worth thanks, I thank it. If they don't, I don't. Why is it people always get so "ohh it's all about the thanks" when it's just a case that one side has more thankable posts than the other...

Because its a massively long thread an people are still posting inanities like this

gandalf wrote: »

Now that woman Tara is extremely brave. She is the only person who should choose what happens to her own body, no one else.

RobertKK wrote: »

I posted the following in the Stephen Fry thread, one could change atheists and theists for pro-choice and pro-life:

Atheists, theists and anyone in between... I mean do they think what they post or say really changes anyone to their viewpoint?
It is usually people on either side just thanking people who share their point of view rather than someone thanking to say 'yeah, that was a convincing argument'.

So if one continues arguing a point, it makes the person irrational as they are just going round in circles arguing the same thing.

True to a large extent but they can be interesting when it starts into the what people mean by being "pro-choice" and I've learned a bit and shifted my position slightly on some issues (but I'd be as close to the middle ground as you can find on this polar issue).
I mean this thread ignores the issue that AFAIK if the UK actually applied the letter of its act rather being a rubber stamping exercise she may have been rejected, additionally there is the argument that since UK law takes into account future detriment to standard of life in the future on the moral point about abortion being about not being pregnant rather than children is on shakey ground

Ave Sodalis · 04-02-2015 10:59PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Because its a massively long thread an people are still posting inanities like this

So people are only joining the thread now. Is there a cut off point that others can't join the thread and express their opinion?

I'm genuinely confused as to why this is a complainable issue

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:03PM

As mentioned in the programme:

https://www.womenonweb.org/

Women on Web is a digital community of women who have had abortions and individuals and organizations that support abortion rights.

Women on Web is an international collective that answers thousands of help-emails every day in many languages from women around the world.

On the I need an abortion part of this site women in need of abortions can find reliable scientific information about safe abortion with pills: https://www.womenonweb.org/en/i-need-an-abortion

RobertKK · 04-02-2015 11:12PM

sup_dude wrote: »

That doesn't explain why it's a valid complaint though, unless you're suggesting people are just thanks whoring? I haven't seen any of that here.

Everyone has a bias towards the opinion that closely resembles what they think.
More thanks for a post doesn't mean it right or no thanks mean it is wrong, or vice versa.

At this stage one kind of knows who will thank who, when it comes to certain threads, like ones that involve abortion or religion.
It does become a bit of a thanks whoring, even if unintentional.

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:17PM

Interesting choice of sign at the pro-life demonstration shown in the documentary

Shrap · 04-02-2015 11:18PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Everyone has a bias towards the opinion that closely resembles what they think.
More thanks for a post doesn't mean it right or no thanks mean it is wrong, or vice versa.

At this stage one kind of knows who will thank who, when it comes to certain threads, like ones that involve abortion or religion.
It does become a bit of a thanks whoring, even if unintentional.

Thanks whoring or not, turns out the pro-choice posters are greater in number than the pro-birth. Or do the pro-birth posters just not thank posts?

Ave Sodalis · 04-02-2015 11:20PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Everyone has a bias towards the opinion that closely resembles what they think.
More thanks for a post doesn't mean it right or no thanks mean it is wrong, or vice versa.

At this stage one kind of knows who will thank who, when it comes to certain threads, like ones that involve abortion or religion.
It does become a bit of a thanks whoring, even if unintentional.

I'm still not getting why it's such a problem? I mean, all that's saying is that more people have one opinion than another. That's kind of a given. Giving out about it doesn't make someone's opinion more right either.

bodice ripper · 04-02-2015 11:21PM

Come now, nothing after the first two pages of any thread is thanks whoring - anything after that would be an inefficient way of gathering thanks.

Perhaps it's just annoying that no one agrees with you.

Shrap · 04-02-2015 11:22PM

^^^See? I liked this post because I agree with it. That's the way it works. Clearly more people up here agree with pro-choice posts (the ones that make sense anyway) than the alternative.

gandalf · 04-02-2015 11:23PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Because its a massively long thread an people are still posting inanities like this

Sorry I don't give a rats ass about what you consider to be inanities. I was expressing admiration for a woman who is opening herself to some pretty nasty individuals on the anti-choice side.

Just because I don't agree with your point of view doesn't make my opinion less valid than yours.

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:31PM

So did anyone else actually watch the documentary? I was surprised to not see more commenting when it actually aired...

Shrap · 04-02-2015 11:33PM

Zippie84 wrote: »

So did anyone else actually watch the documentary? I was surprised to not see more commenting when it actually aired...

Was out collecting eldest from after-hours engineering class. Can't watch BBC 3 after it's aired until it turns up online...unless I fake my IP, which is hassle.

viper006 · 04-02-2015 11:34PM

gandalf wrote: »

Sorry I don't give a rats ass about what you consider to be inanities. I was expressing admiration for a woman who is opening herself to some pretty nasty individuals on the anti-choice side.

Just because I don't agree with your point of view doesn't make my opinion less valid than yours.

When someone decides to abort a child for lifestyle reasons, i can respect her legal right to go to the UK and get a termination but i find it mind boggling people can express admiration for the act. This lady is looking after number 1 and she is perfectly entitled to do so but likewise i can fully understand how this wouldnt sit right with many people. There plenty of people supporting her decision that are posting equally nasty remarks also.

gandalf · 04-02-2015 11:34PM

Zippie84 wrote: »

So did anyone else actually watch the documentary? I was surprised to not see more commenting when it actually aired...

What surprised me was that Northern Ireland is just as backward as we are down here. I thought they had the same laws as the rest of the UK. Again it proves that religion has really screwed this whole island up.

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:36PM

Shrap wrote: »

Was out collecting eldest from after-hours engineering class. Can't watch BBC 3 after it's aired until it turns up online...unless I fake my IP, which is hassle.

Ah I'm Irish but live in UK now. Never thought of BBC3 access issues... is that generally the case in Ireland?

Can people access live UK tv via www.filmon.com / such services? Slightly off topic maybe, sorry...

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:37PM

viper006 wrote: »

When someone decides to abort a child for lifestyle reasons, i can respect her legal right to go to the UK and get a termination but i find it mind boggling people can express admiration for the act. This lady is looking after number 1 and she is perfectly entitled to do so but likewise i can fully understand how this wouldnt sit right with many people. There plenty of people supporting her decision that are posting equally nasty remarks also.

Where were the people admiring her for the act? I heard many speak of her being brave for speaking out etc? But for speaking out. That's something different than admiring her for the abortion.

bodice ripper · 04-02-2015 11:37PM

Shrap wrote: »

Was out collecting eldest from after-hours engineering class. Can't watch BBC 3 after it's aired until it turns up online...unless I fake my IP, which is hassle.

**** me, after hours has an engineering class?

Ave Sodalis · 04-02-2015 11:37PM

viper006 wrote: »

When someone decides to abort a child for lifestyle reasons, i can respect her legal right to go to the UK and get a termination but i find it mind boggling people can express admiration for the act. This lady is looking after number 1 and she is perfectly entitled to do so but likewise i can fully understand how this wouldnt sit right with many people. There plenty of people supporting her decision that are posting equally nasty remarks also.

I think the admiration was more for having the bravery to come out and be public about it, despite knowing the backlash she will get, in order to support those who have gone through the same.

Eutow · 04-02-2015 11:39PM

viper006 wrote: »

When someone decides to abort a child for lifestyle reasons, i can respect her legal right to go to the UK and get a termination but i find it mind boggling people can express admiration for the act. This lady is looking after number 1 and she is perfectly entitled to do so but likewise i can fully understand how this wouldnt sit right with many people. There plenty of people supporting her decision that are posting equally nasty remarks also.

I think people are expressing her bravery for making public her decision rather than the act, especially considering the comments she is getting from certain people on social media etc. Ireland still tries to brush this under the carpet, head in the sand, and hope it just goes away, typical Irish attitude.

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:40PM

gandalf wrote: »

What surprised me was that Northern Ireland is just as backward as we are down here. I thought they had the same laws as the rest of the UK. Again it proves that religion has really screwed this whole island up.

Same here. Being from ROI I'd never really given NI that much thought in this regard.

I guess I presumed that although it's a UK country that no abortions in NI was potentially related to women just travelling up the road from ROI, but wasn't expecting the teenages spending their saturdays pro-life protesting / awareness raising... and of course the lady whose baby was gonna die not allowed the abortion in NI and needing to go to another UK country just seemed to wrong...

Shrap · 04-02-2015 11:41PM

Zippie84 wrote: »

Ah I'm Irish but live in UK now. Never thought of BBC3 access issues... is that generally the case in Ireland?

Can people access live UK tv via filmon.com / such services? Slightly off topic maybe, sorry...

I'm sure you can be forgiven! I'd like to know if there's a way, but there's no +1 facility for any BBC channel, or playback that works here to my knowledge. I have free 2 air....don't know if some of the subscription packages have access after airing?

The Strawman Argument · 04-02-2015 11:42PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

stuff about thanks whoring and inane posts

You're expecting a bit too much from an internet forum there, to be honest. There's gonna be posts throughout most bigger threads that are individuals' initial responses to what the thread is about (rather than the content within the thread) as new people view it.

It's best to just ignore the whole thanks thing as much as possible too; I'm sure it has gotten pretty instinctual at this stage to click thanks on something that you agree with for a lot of people rather than anything to do with the quality/freshness of the content (myself included), I'm not a fan of it at all.

Shrap · 04-02-2015 11:43PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

**** me, after hours has an engineering class?

I knew someone would say that! Yes, and it's just as useful as you'd imagine

(to a 16yr old D&B DJ who'd rather be pounding the walls with his latest mix...).

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:44PM

Shrap wrote: »

I'm sure you can be forgiven! I'd like to know if there's a way, but there's no +1 facility for any BBC channel, or playback that works here to my knowledge. I have free 2 air....don't know if some of the subscription packages have access after airing?

When I lived in Ireland and had sky I'm sure I had BBC3, and even here it's on freeview etc, so would've thought it could be easily accessible for many, even though not all. maybe I was wrong.

Was just so surprised by so much posting yet so little when it went live

RDM_83 again · 04-02-2015 11:45PM

Shrap wrote: »

Thanks whoring or not, turns out the pro-choice posters are greater in number than the pro-birth. Or do the pro-birth posters just not thank posts?

Obviously its way more pro-choice here (and in younger Ireland in general), whats interesting is what pro-choice means though, I mean I end up lumped in with the pro-lifers but I'd vote for the German system.

bodice ripper wrote: »

Come now, nothing after the first two pages of any thread is thanks whoring - anything after that would be an inefficient way of gathering thanks.

Perhaps it's just annoying that no one agrees with you.

It can be about the ratio's too, its not always about the uber high thanks 1st page posting

Zippie84 · 04-02-2015 11:45PM

What surprised me (but of course really shouldn't have done) about this thread is quite how much there was taking things out of context, and twisting of words to ultimately say thing which are untrue. Probably mostly not deliberate but still a little wtf to be honest...

‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

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