Cheltenham Festival 2015

Shemale · 03-02-2015 06:55PM

faoile@n wrote: »

How does someone so knowledgeable about racing not understand how to look up entries

The racingpost will list all of the entries a horse has not just one. Either the horse isn't entered in the race (its very easy to check who is) or the entries aren't in yet for the particular race. Entry/declaration dates are also very easy to look up.

Not rocket science.

Unless you missed it the first twice I shall say it thrice, I looked the horse up on ATR and Racing Post and he is enteted in the Neptune but the race he ran in was an Albert Bartlett trial.

Previously I have looked up horses who on the mentioned sites and other posters had posted about the horses having multiple entries, something I dont recall seeing on ATR or RP, that said its not often I foray into AP markets.

I had 5 360 about Seldom Inn in the Neptune, Mc Coy didnt want him to win the other day and he could have mullered them. Not sure where he will end up but wasnt passing that price up, he could well end up in a handicap somewhere.

sting60 · 03-02-2015 09:02PM

jimjamcos wrote: »

With Boyles going NRNB on Ryanair today I've had a bet on two against the field. I know Don Cossack has been visually impressive this season but he has beaten a disappointing horse in Wonderful Charm (I was a massive fan but he clearly lacks tactical speed), stayers in Boston Bob & LW and a highly inconsistent, if talented, chaser in Champagne. He's clearly talented but given his price, the fact he has plenty to prove at the festival, I think he's too short. I've never been a fan of Dynaste at Cheltenham and think he'll have to battle harder if he's to win this years renewal and not sure he'll be up to it. Champagne Fever, Al Ferof and Hidden Cyclone are QM bound and while I love Balder Sucess as an animal, his Cheltenham record puts me off - while 2m4 is clearly his trip, the hill would be a worry.

The two I like, and have backed are Cue Card (8/1) and Ballycasey (12/1). As Aidan pointed out on his thread a good while back, Cue Card if anywhere near his best will take all the beating. He's the best horse in the race, and while he was never a 3miler, has a superb festival record and the perfect blend of speed, bold-jumping and staying power for this race. Bettef ground should really help him too. I was hoping to get the 16/1 about Ballycasey but unfortunately missed the boat earlier, though happy to take 4pts shorter with NRNB. The reason I like Mullins horse is that IMO he falls perfectly into what's needed to win the race. Although shown up over 2m at Christmas, he travels very well through his races, jumps lovely bar the odd hiccup and having watched back last seasons RSA for the first time, I was amazed at how well he went until stamina gave way. His form over the intermediate trip is very strong too - 1f1- beating Don Cossack readily over it last season and falling when having Rebel Fitz hard at it. When you compare his price to the favs, I think he's a standout bet.

IMO balder succes is one of the most underrated horses running.

sting60 · 04-02-2015 12:42AM

I won serious serious big lay with one of the worst horses ever IMO Irving ,what a joke of a horse by the donkey singspiel.

Gregk961 · 04-02-2015 01:59AM

sting60 wrote: »

I won serious serious big lay with one of the worst horses ever IMO Irving ,what a joke of a horse by the donkey singspiel.

One of the worst horses ever? I know your trying to mention one of your winning bets, but come on Irving is a grand horse. Leave your ridiculous hyperbole for the betting shop.

Same goes for your comment on Singspiel, just plain stupid and crying out for a reaction.

finbarrk · 04-02-2015 10:36AM

sting60 wrote: »

I won serious serious big lay with one of the worst horses ever IMO Irving ,what a joke of a horse by the donkey singspiel.

Singspiel. Donkey. The mind boggles. Time to get out of this place.

NaiveMelodies · 04-02-2015 10:39AM

Balder Succes isn't a Mullins horse and to be fair can be a monster when things fall right for him.

posturingpat · 04-02-2015 01:21PM

Anyone hearing rumours about Dynaste being out for Cheltenham?

Edit: Confirmed he's out for the season

longshotvalue · 04-02-2015 01:54PM

posturingpat wrote: »

Anyone hearing rumours about Dynaste being out for Cheltenham?

Edit: Confirmed he's out for the season

Thats a pity. The now 7/1 about Cue Card looks like finding money in the road road me..

faoile@n · 04-02-2015 04:04PM

aidankkk wrote: »

Thats a pity. The now 7/1 about Cue Card looks like finding money in the road road me..

Do you not think he's regressed this year?

I struggle to put his poor runs down to the distance. Cue Card was let down by his jumping and his exuberance looks gone.

He bolted up in the Betfair Chase beating a quality field two years ago so I can't put his poor run this year down to the trip.

To finish so tamely behind Dynaste and Menorah this year suggest to me that the injury he sustained has taken its toll and he's not the same horse.

jimjamcos · 04-02-2015 04:47PM

faoile@n wrote: »

Do you not think he's regressed this year?

I struggle to put his poor runs down to the distance. Cue Card was let down by his jumping and his exuberance looks gone.

He bolted up in the Betfair Chase beating a quality field two years ago so I can't put his poor run this year down to the trip.

To finish so tamely behind Dynaste and Menorah this year suggest to me that the injury he sustained has taken its toll and he's not the same horse.

His jumping was never as good on bad ground or when retrained over 3m. The Betfair win was a freak occurance given it wasn't actually over 3m

Gringo180 · 04-02-2015 05:23PM

Johns Spirit at 12s for the Ryanair :eek: Gimme that!!!

Shemale · 04-02-2015 06:55PM

Talk of Cue Cards demise is a tad premature, he has been racing too far, his running position was changed and he has had a new pilot who not only had to get to know him but early in the season he was suffering a crisis of confidence.

Over the right trip on a course he likes with better ground will let us know how much of his brilliance he has retained. Well worth a bet at 7s

Backstreet Moyes · 04-02-2015 07:26PM

Shemale wrote: »

Talk of Cue Cards demise is a tad premature, he has been racing too far, his running position was changed and he has had a new pilot who not only had to get to know him but early in the season he was suffering a crisis of confidence.

Over the right trip on a course he likes with better ground will let us know how much of his brilliance he has retained. Well worth a bet at 7s

Took him at 8/1 nrnb yesterday with Boyles so happy enough although a shame for Dynaste to miss out.

Still 6/1 now nrnb if that bit of security appeals to anyone instead of the 7/1.

Backstreet Moyes · 04-02-2015 07:55PM

Looks like going Faugheen is going to get a run around Gowran.

Looking at the stats i seen on Facebook, history is against him if he doesn;t run.

Since 1990 57 horses have ran in the Champion Hurdle without a prep run in the calender year.
5 were fav or joint fav
10 were 10/1 or less
42 were 10/1 or above
2 won
Granville Again 13/2 1993
Rock On Ruby 11/1 2011

abarkie · 04-02-2015 08:21PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Johns Spirit at 12s for the Ryanair :eek: Gimme that!!!

NRNB?

bit of a bogey · 04-02-2015 08:45PM

sting60 wrote: »

I won serious serious big lay with one of the worst horses ever IMO Irving ,what a joke of a horse by the donkey singspiel.

I dont fancy him at all but you are a braver man than me to lay him at 40/1. On potential alone, that is starting to look value.

Panrich · 04-02-2015 09:25PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Johns Spirit at 12s for the Ryanair :eek: Gimme that!!!

Jonjo knows how to train the winner of this race and his course form is phenomenal.
Mind you, his form in the spring is nothing to write home about. His only win after December was in a novice hurdle at odds on and I still have nightmares of backing him at the festival two years ago off 133 when he came 7th after walking through the last ditch.

sting60 · 04-02-2015 09:34PM

Gregk961 wrote: »

One of the worst horses ever? I know your trying to mention one of your winning bets, but come on Irving is a grand horse. Leave your ridiculous hyperbole for the betting shop.

Same goes for your comment on Singspiel, just plain stupid and crying out for a reaction.

Prove me wrong with regards my post.I always back my opinion and my opinion only and have done OK big time.singspiel's will never ever go up a hill (at true pace) no matter what dam is involved.50/1for champion hurdle should be 150/1at the very least but its about opinion and that is mine."one of the worst horses ever" with regards hype.

ste2010 · 04-02-2015 09:47PM

aidankkk wrote: »

Thats a pity. The now 7/1 about Cue Card looks like finding money in the road road me..

I couldn't have put it better! There's is simply nothing in the race that would cope with CC. If you consider how well he ran in the king george before fading in the home straight together with the birch they found in his foot post race. cue cards to lose..only contender I can see if they can rejuvenate him is Taquin De Seuil

sting60 · 04-02-2015 09:49PM

ste2010 wrote: »

I couldn't have put it better! There's is simply nothing in the race that would cope with CC. If you consider how well he ran in the king george before fading in the home straight together with the birch they found in his foot post race. cue cards to lose..only contender I can see if they can rejuvenate him is Taquin De Seuil

Looks like a horse that has had a tough race to many.

ste2010 · 04-02-2015 09:52PM

sting60 wrote: »

Looks like a horse that has had a tough race to many.

I thought he ran quiet well over a trip that didn't suit at kempton. You know the coincidence in the way they've run him. He hasn't won a race he hasn't front run over fences

bit of a bogey · 04-02-2015 10:15PM

I like Djakadam if he were to go. 16/1 with a run seems fair.

Reports from Elliotts yard is that Don Crossack is looking better everyday.

Meath Centre Forward · 04-02-2015 11:34PM

A quick look at Singspiel's progeny would suggest he hasn't had too many good jumps horses at all and indeed his best, Junior, is actually a Festival winner, and a Cheltenham specialist. The likes of Fisher Bridge and Prima Vista would be his next best horses.

I would not have Irving in my considerations for the Champion Hurdle but I do think the argument being made is a bit random. I would like to ask Sting60 what Singspiel horses have led to this assertion that they won't "go up a hill at championship pace" ??

Charlie George · 05-02-2015 12:35AM

Looks to me that cue card has turned a bit sour,has got a bit excited in races gone by and and the man says form is everything.

BumperD · 05-02-2015 01:38AM

bit of a bogey wrote: »

Reports from Elliotts yard is that Don Crossack is looking better everyday.

189/1 on betfair for gold cup, which race is he going for? He was my fancy for RSA last yr.

Shemale · 05-02-2015 09:11AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Took him at 8/1 nrnb yesterday with Boyles so happy enough although a shame for Dynaste to miss out.

Still 6/1 now nrnb if that bit of security appeals to anyone instead of the 7/1.

7s ante post was the best I could find, this was after Dynaste was declared out.

Backed Cossack last year for the RSA, never seemed to go a yard and didnt jump great thats another reason Cue Card appeals to me.

ste2010 · 05-02-2015 09:13AM

Charlie George wrote: »

Looks to me that cue card has turned a bit sour,has got a bit excited in races gone by and and the man says form is everything.

I'd definitely agree it would seem to be excuse after excuse since he came back from injury. It nicely correlates with the change in tactics compounded by injury. The false 3milers always win the ryanair. Outside of alferof who I think will continually be out in his place by cue card I'm struggling to find a false top class 3 miler in the betting. Elliott has suggested don cossak is a bit of a nearly horse early in the season so that's still live in my mind. Taquin de Seuil is another you could forgive for recent efforts given how poor the stable was performing. If you look at the king george cue card again, cue card ran very well when you see all the other horses off the bridle behind him. Front running ryanair would be right up his street

Backstreet Moyes · 05-02-2015 11:21AM

If Coneygree hacks up Saturday anybody think they will go for the Gold Cup?

bit of a bogey · 05-02-2015 11:48AM

BumperD wrote: »

189/1 on betfair for gold cup, which race is he going for? He was my fancy for RSA last yr.

They seem to be fairly set on the Ryanair. Probably unlikely they will go Gold Cup, especially with Road to Riches there.

I was referring to Djakadam for the Ryanair also. Still an open question on whether he would get the Gold Cup trip or if he'd be really good enough.

lemush · 05-02-2015 01:52PM

Djakadam undoubtedly going the Gold cup route.

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