Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Al Capwned · 04-02-2015 11:01AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

As far as I'm aware he said he wanted to go back and play for Atleti at some stage of his career.

TheDoc wrote: »

Definitly remember reading him saying he'd love to go back to Athletico later in his career. I remember as part of the same piece he said he doesn't for see himself every playing for Real Madrid, as it would be too difficult.

But sure when has what players said actually meant anything

Sound lads, I knew this was what he was supposed to have said alright, but I'd like to read the actual quote, but I can't find it.
Anyway, thanks.

Lord TSC · 04-02-2015 11:03AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Herrera isn't playing because LVG doesn't rate him. He thinks Rooney should be playing in midfield instead. :rolleyes:

I wonder how much of it is "he rates Rooney more than Herrera" and how much of it is that he feels he HAS to play Rooney somewhere in the team, but rates RVP/Falcao/Mata as better than him in their positions, and Herrera isn't considered a "big" name to drop.

Personally, I've made it clear I'd happily see Rooney shipped off abroad if possible, but maybe there's pressure on LVG there to play Rooney, for fear of Rooney having another tantrum and causing problems?

Al Capwned · 04-02-2015 11:09AM

I would have always been of the opinion that we should keep Rooney.

I've changed my mind a little on this now.

I'd still like to keep him, but only as a striker. Either play him up front or sell him ffs.

He's an average midfielder, one that works hard, covers a lot of ground, but not one that should be in the team ahead of a genuinely good cm. Like Herrera for example.

Will I Amnt · 04-02-2015 11:09AM

I don't buy the match-fixing reason either. It doesn't make sense, why give him substitute appearances then?
Is he supposedly punishing him for being involved in it? Afraid he'll do it again? What is the logic in not playing him due to his involvement if that really is the case?

Ordinary man · 04-02-2015 11:13AM

I might be the only one but i thought rooney showed some promise out wide last night. With mc nair making good runs he was getting time to put in some good crosses. He reminded me a bit of beckham in that neither were much good at taking on the fb but the passes made up for that. He also did a lot of tracking back and got into some good positions at the back post. Imo him and mc nair looked more dangerous in one game than valencia has all season

yabadabado · 04-02-2015 11:19AM

I don't think the situation with Herrera has anything to do with the match fixing allegations. If it did why is LVG giving him any minutes at all ,wouldn't it be a case if being frozen out completely ?

homerjay2005 · 04-02-2015 11:23AM

re herrera, ive put this theory forward before and the more the season goes on, the more convinced i become that its true.

the fact that Herrera and Shaw were both signed in the space of a few days, 4 or 5 days before the June 30th cut off for end of financial year 13/14, points to me that LVG was told that the money had to be spend (to "balance the books" so to speak) or he would "lose" it. LVG signed off on it because perhaps it was worth the risk, but the fact that he said he needed to assess the squad and it took almost 2 months for other signings, means for me that they ultimately werent signings he was 100% happy with.

under other circumstances, i.e. he wasnt heavily involved in the World cup, he wouldnt have signed either of them and would have had other players instead of them

shaw is hard to judge based on injuries, but so far it looks like he doesnt fit into LVG's system.

Cantona's Collars · 04-02-2015 11:30AM

yabadabado wrote: »

I don't think the situation with Herrera has anything to do with the match fixing allegations. If it did why is LVG giving him any minutes at all ,wouldn't it be a case if being frozen out completely ?

He has to fly to Spain on 4 March to give evidence in the case,42 witnesses are called up.

sky88 · 04-02-2015 11:43AM

still think van persie is the one who should be dropped from the strikers/attackers as i think the team would be more fluid with the movement of rooney/falcao up top. Hes not being great with build up play and movement which has not been helped by the midfield in fairness to him and all the strikers . He just seems off the pace for a lot of the game

TheDoc · 04-02-2015 11:55AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I don't buy the match-fixing reason either. It doesn't make sense, why give him substitute appearances then?
Is he supposedly punishing him for being involved in it? Afraid he'll do it again? What is the logic in not playing him due to his involvement if that really is the case?

It's probably a bit of tinfoil hattery from me, but I can't fathom how he isn't getting gametime, and instead we maintain a mediocre Rooney in midfield.

As someone said above, either play him up front or sell him. I'm very meh when it comes to Rooney, and find it easier to give out about him than praise him.

But this midfield garbage is beyond annoying. Even in number 10 annoyed me. He needs to either lead the line as a no.9 of drop him.

It annoys me how Van Gaal always bangs on about balance, and yet HE is the one putting a striker in midfield.

Has echoes of Alan Smith all over it. Yeah on paper it should work, but in practice it's simply not effective.

v3ttel · 04-02-2015 11:58AM

I thought McNair was excellent at RB. Fair enough, he had nothing to do defensively, so it was difficult to judge him in that respect. Regardless the things he did do well were fairly independent of the opposition. His runs and understanding of space were intelligent, his passing was very good - surprisingly so and he didn't resort to aimlessly lumping the ball into the box.

It's easier to see why he was originally brought to the club as a #10. RB could be a good fit for him. I'd love to see him do well.

bucketybuck · 04-02-2015 12:00PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I wonder how much of it is "he rates Rooney more than Herrera" and how much of it is that he feels he HAS to play Rooney somewhere in the team, but rates RVP/Falcao/Mata as better than him in their positions, and Herrera isn't considered a "big" name to drop.

Personally, I've made it clear I'd happily see Rooney shipped off abroad if possible, but maybe there's pressure on LVG there to play Rooney, for fear of Rooney having another tantrum and causing problems?

It is possible and may well be true. I have yet to hear any good argument for why Rooney should be playing in midfield, about why it is a good choice, so that just leaves reasons like the one you mentioned.

If it is true, shoehorning in a player just because of who he is, then it is useless management from what is supposed to be an experienced manager.

MagicIRL · 04-02-2015 12:00PM

It will be curious to see if McNair is deployed at RB again. It was Cambridge at home, but I can't remember the last time a player at RB got forward and was putting in ball after ball. Wonderful to watch.

Trigger · 04-02-2015 12:07PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Lads a fella that's in a United facebook group that I'm in said this morning that de Gea said when he first arrived that he'd like to return to Spain to play one day.

Now I have no memory of this, and I can't find anything from him, but I didn't want to say that this fella on FB was wrong as he seems so adamant.

Anyone got anything on it?

Pretty sure what he is taking it from is his farewell letter to athletico fans

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/771317-world-football-read-david-de-geas-touching-letter-to-atletico-madrid-fans

Cantona's Collars · 04-02-2015 12:12PM

Trond wrote: »

Never seen anything definitive.

Mostly what I've read is that he's very happy here. As are his parents who he's very close to. They actually prefer life in England to Spain.

Jorge Mendes on De Gea:

'He has one year left on his contract and I think that he will stay in Manchester,' Mendes told the BBC. 'The player will decide, but he's happy there, at the moment.'

bangkok · 04-02-2015 12:14PM

zerks wrote: »

Jorge Mendes on De Gea:

'He has one year left on his contract and I think that he will stay in Manchester,' Mendes told the BBC. 'The player will decide, but he's happy there, at the moment.'

mendes also clearly doesn't rate lvg

Lord TSC · 04-02-2015 12:16PM

bangkok wrote: »

mendes also clearly doesn't rate lvg

Please do expand and explain how you're getting that from that quote....

Al Capwned · 04-02-2015 12:19PM

astradave wrote: »

Pretty sure what he is taking it from is his farewell letter to athletico fans

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/771317-world-football-read-david-de-geas-touching-letter-to-atletico-madrid-fans

Nice one, thanks for that....

Rayne Wooney · 04-02-2015 12:23PM

It's hard to see what Van Gaal's plans for the future are, he's had 7 months now and between changing the formation sporadically and often playing players in bizarre/wrong positions along with a philosophy that seems to have cut out the cutting edge through the middle completely and is solely reliant on wing play now, things are a little up in the air at the moment

keeponhurling · 04-02-2015 12:23PM

With all the posters wondering why Herrera doesn't play (he came on as a sub last night), maybe he just hasn't done enough to force himself into the first 11 ahead of
Blind or Fellaini?
Blind was MOTM v Leicester, and Fellaini offered important height v Cambridge.

LVG is right in his press conference that he is always being asked about the players who don't play and whether there is some problem, e.g. Januzaj for a while, Falcao for a while, Mata for a while etc.

Now that the players are coming back to fitness, there will inevitably be cases of hard choices being made.

If he had such a big issue with Herrera, would he be happy with letting Fletcher and Anderson leave in this window?!

bucketybuck · 04-02-2015 12:34PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

With all the posters wondering why Herrera doesn't play (he came on as a sub last night), maybe he just hasn't done enough to force himself into the first 11 ahead of
Blind or Fellaini?
Blind was MOTM v Leicester, and Fellaini offered important height v Cambridge.

Forget Cambridge, a cup game against a team divisions below us is irrelevant.

Its not last night, its the previous league games where Rooney has been useless in midfield while the likes of Herrera are sitting on the bench, that is what has given rise to the questioning.

bangkok · 04-02-2015 12:39PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Please do expand and explain how you're getting that from that quote....

sorry, no I was on about the whole interview and not the first time he has made a dig at van gaal.

"Having Sir Alex Ferguson ensures at this moment you have 12 or 15 points more. He's finished his career, but he's someone that makes the difference"

also when he talked about falcao earlier in jan he was saying how he wished fergie was still in charge as falcao would have been managed better.

I see also Januzaj is coming out saying the "system" is not suiting his game at all.
to be honest im not sure it is suiting a lot of players

beno619 · 04-02-2015 12:40PM

Am I the only one who remembers our first few wins of the season ? Di Maria, Herrera and Blind running the show. Generally when Herrera plays we play well.

Trond · 04-02-2015 12:40PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's hard to see what Van Gaal's plans for the future are, he's had 7 months now and between changing the formation sporadically and often playing players in bizarre/wrong positions along with a philosophy that seems to have cut out the cutting edge through the middle completely and is solely reliant on wing play now, things are a little up in the air at the moment

Im still certain we'll go 433 if he gets a Strootman/Vidal type in midfield. Its his preferred system but he doesn't have faith in our current midfielders to operate it.

The 352 is his more cautious formation as seen with a weak Dutch team in the world cup.

bangkok · 04-02-2015 12:41PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's hard to see what Van Gaal's plans for the future are, he's had 7 months now and between changing the formation sporadically and often playing players in bizarre/wrong positions along with a philosophy that seems to have cut out the cutting edge through the middle completely and is solely reliant on wing play now, things are a little up in the air at the moment

yea he kept going on about his philosophy and it will take 3 months for it to work, we are 7 months in now and I don't think anybody has any idea what sort of style/formation etc he is trying to do with the players

jayo26 · 04-02-2015 01:02PM

No doubt lvg likes to change things around but infairness its hard for any manager to get consistency in a team when you have had over 50 injuries over the first half of season. I think lvg knows his best system is four at the back but he hasn't had a strong enough defence for that so he plays 3 cbs to shore up the defence now we can not argue with that we have third best defence in the league with our injuries that is an achievement in itself. We have been better last few weeks with injuries so he changed to four at back. Fellani played up front last night and it worked for us he won alot of balls against there tall players. I'm not saying all is perfect but by heck if you had of given me third in table and fifth round of cup at start of season id taken it

Cantona's Collars · 04-02-2015 01:03PM

https://twitter.com/Carra23/status/562702987181953024

Show him your EPL medal Michael & remind him where you won it.

04-02-2015 02:01PM

bangkok wrote: »

sorry, no I was on about the whole interview and not the first time he has made a dig at van gaal.

"Having Sir Alex Ferguson ensures at this moment you have 12 or 15 points more. He's finished his career, but he's someone that makes the difference"

also when he talked about falcao earlier in jan he was saying how he wished fergie was still in charge as falcao would have been managed better.

I see also Januzaj is coming out saying the "system" is not suiting his game at all.
to be honest im not sure it is suiting a lot of players

Strange, that's 2 seasons in a row with 2 different managers the system has been the problem. Must be a coincidence.

bangkok · 04-02-2015 02:06PM

wonder what sort of team will take to the field this weekend v west ham?

if rooney starts midfield again I think I will crack up!!

Mitch Connor · 04-02-2015 02:07PM

Liam O wrote: »

Strange, that's 2 seasons in a row with 2 different managers the system has been the problem. Must be a coincidence.

Is it?

I thought he got his first chance under Moyes and looked fairly good for a kid. I don't remember there being issues about a system, or talk of it. Can you provide some examples? Sure, people questioned his actual performances and consistency - but I don't remember people saying it was because of the system. I think they may have said it was because he was (a) young and (b) playing in a team playing poorly.

This season we mostly aren't playing with wingers. We have played 532 or a diamond formation. So I don't think it is strange, AT ALL, that a young winger is struggling to play in a side that doesn't play with wingers.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Comments