Useless Operation Transformation Trainer (Karl Henry)

Mr. CooL ICE · 28-01-2015 09:06PM

NFH wrote: »

Jesus Christ!

No offense man but I've been to chartered physiotherapists with multiple M.Sc. who charge €30 less than that for intensive hour long sessions! I'm sorry but no personal trainer can tell me they obtain specialty knowledge and skills worth that kind of money when other more highly trained health professionals charge less. That's one of my problems with personal trainers, there's an awful lot of going around acting like they're saving people when in reality they're just trying to see how much money the stupid rich people (who can't arsed doing it themselves) will pay! Do ya not get sick just of only training "people who can afford it". And lets be honest, the free stuff online is simply to help ya sleep at night

I've gotten PT from Transform and I'm far from rich. I just regard my health, fitness and general wellbeing very highly and don't see the point of cutting costs

ford2600 · 28-01-2015 09:06PM

NFH wrote: »

Jesus Christ!

No offense man but I've been to chartered physiotherapists with multiple M.Sc. who charge €30 less than that for intensive hour long sessions! I'm sorry but no personal trainer can tell me they obtain specialty knowledge and skills worth that kind of money when other more highly trained health professionals charge less. That's one of my problems with personal trainers, there's an awful lot of going around acting like they're saving people when in reality they're just trying to see how much money the stupid rich people (who can't arsed doing it themselves) will pay! Do ya not get sick just of only training "people who can afford it". And lets be honest, the free stuff online is simply to help ya sleep at night

I don't know @Transform from Adam(but lots of guys on here sing his praises) but why are people so slow to pay for quality/reliable advice? A trainer with 3rd level qualifications, contionous professional development, experience isn't entilted to charge €80 an hour? The facility also costs money probably/tax/insurance/diet plans etc etc all cost money.

Say he charges €80 and after 10 sessions helps an overweight, disillusioned 30 something who has tried multiple times to get their sh1t together but failed. So for €800 they will be
* healthier
* more confident
* maybe looking at a new sport/social outlet

Some people, need guidance/motivation/advice on how to develop new habits and get fitter/healthier. I don't maybe you don't either but lots do.

If for €800 a client learns good nutrition/training habits for a lifetime it'll be repaid many times over in terms health/confidence etc etc.

I've pisssed €800 up against a wall multiple times/bought gadgets I didn't need/bike gear etc etc.

If he does what it says on tin, charge the money and best of luck to any good pt out there.

28-01-2015 09:11PM

I won't quote hanley's price or compare it but I'm quite happy to pay it for what I've gotten out of it and I'd pay more, too

Don't tell hanley I said that though shhh

eclectichoney · 28-01-2015 10:01PM

People who compare PT costs with gym memberships costs are comparing two completely different products - like McDonalds an a Michelin Star Restaurant - it's a meaningless comparison. It's a completely different experience.

28-01-2015 10:02PM

I think we should do a big mac index comparison

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 10:04PM

NFH wrote: »

Jesus Christ!

No offense man but I've been to chartered physiotherapists with multiple M.Sc. who charge €30 less than that for intensive hour long sessions! I'm sorry but no personal trainer can tell me they obtain specialty knowledge and skills worth that kind of money when other more highly trained health professionals charge less. That's one of my problems with personal trainers, there's an awful lot of going around acting like they're saving people when in reality they're just trying to see how much money the stupid rich people (who can't arsed doing it themselves) will pay! Do ya not get sick just of only training "people who can afford it". And lets be honest, the free stuff online is simply to help ya sleep at night

Thats exactly what i was thinking, theres no way they can justify that price, PT is not exactly a unique skill, I cant see a "Good PT" being 80 euros better than an "average PT"

if it was me i wouldnt be able to keep a straight face asking someone for 80 euro s for an hours work, most of which they did themselves!

But hey if people pay it and are happy! more power to em lol

Alf Veedersane · 28-01-2015 10:32PM

It's a charge out rate of €600/day in industry. I wouldn't balk at it there either.

eclectichoney · 28-01-2015 11:09PM

evo2000 wrote: »

I cant see a "Good PT" being 80 euros better than an "average PT"

Actually I think there absolutely is a difference. From personal experience even at a gym/class instructor (and not PT level) there are a large amount of instructors who are technically qualified and can do the job, but a much smaller number who are genuinely great at motivating people and getting the best out of a people in a training context. This is the invaluable part imo - sure, anyone can do a part-time course and learn 'how to teach people to exercise', but it takes somebody who is exceptionally good to connect with people effectively and inspire and motivate them to achieve their goals. That's worth paying *a lot* for in my view. Especially as there are not enough trainers like that around from my experience.

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:10PM

ford2600 wrote: »

I don't know @Transform from Adam(but lots of guys on here sing his praises) but why are people so slow to pay for quality/reliable advice? A trainer with 3rd level qualifications, contionous professional development, experience isn't entilted to charge €80 an hour? The facility also costs money probably/tax/insurance/diet plans etc etc all cost money.

Say he charges €80 and after 10 sessions helps an overweight, disillusioned 30 something who has tried multiple times to get their sh1t together but failed. So for €800 they will be
* healthier
* more confident
* maybe looking at a new sport/social outlet

Some people, need guidance/motivation/advice on how to develop new habits and get fitter/healthier. I don't maybe you don't either but lots do.

If for €800 a client learns good nutrition/training habits for a lifetime it'll be repaid many times over in terms health/confidence etc etc.

I've pisssed €800 up against a wall multiple times/bought gadgets I didn't need/bike gear etc etc.

If he does what it says on tin, charge the money and best of luck to any good pt out there.

**** man i think most people would help the dude you described for free! never mind charge him 800 euros

I think most average trainers would do the same thing aswell, for alot less.. I think people are over exaggerating the abilitys of these "Good" PTs and making them out to be some miracle workers that should never be questioned,

i personally think 80 a session is extortion but hey if ppl are willing to pay it fair play to the trainer! if you can convince someone to pay 80 quid an hour for that i think they re in the wrong career path wall street is where they should be at lol!

Magenta · 28-01-2015 11:14PM

evo2000 wrote: »

Thats exactly what i was thinking, theres no way they can justify that price, PT is not exactly a unique skill, I cant see a "Good PT" being 80 euros better than an "average PT"

if it was me i wouldnt be able to keep a straight face asking someone for 80 euro s for an hours work, most of which they did themselves!

But hey if people pay it and are happy! more power to em lol

If being a PT is so easy and meaningless then go off and do it yourself.....

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:15PM

eclectichoney wrote: »

Actually I think there absolutely is a difference. From personal experience even at a gym/class instructor (and not PT level) there are a large amount of instructors who are technically qualified and can do the job, but a much smaller number who are genuinely great at motivating people and getting the best out of a people in a training context. This is the invaluable part imo - sure, anyone can do a part-time course and learn 'how to teach people to exercise', but it takes somebody who is exceptionally good to connect with people effectively and inspire and motivate them to achieve their goals. That's worth paying *a lot* for in my view. Especially as there are not enough trainers like that around from my experience.

Thats fair enough, but if im honest i dont think because someone can get you going or has the banter with you it should be worth 80 euros, sure its a good trait but i mean seriously 80 euros a ****in hour?! lol

Id say theres brain surgeons strugglin to make that sort a money lol

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:15PM

Magenta wrote: »

If being a PT is so easy and meaningless then go off and do it yourself.....

Point out where i said that?

papu · 28-01-2015 11:16PM

evo2000 wrote: »

Thats fair enough, but if im honest i dont think because someone can get you going or has the banter with you it should be worth 80 euros, sure its a good trait but i mean seriously 80 euros a ****in hour?! lol

Id say theres brain surgeons strugglin to make that sort a money lol

You're just trolling now..

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:17PM

papu wrote: »

You're just trolling now..

Neurosurgeon Salary - How Much Do Neurosurgeons Make?
www.wikiprofessional.org/Neurosurgeon_Salary
Hourly Wage, $59.09, $90.00+, $90.00+, $90.00+, $90.00+.

After a quick google

:D

Alf Veedersane · 28-01-2015 11:31PM

evo2000 wrote: »

Neurosurgeon Salary - How Much Do Neurosurgeons Make?
www.wikiprofessional.org/Neurosurgeon_Salary
Hourly Wage, $59.09, $90.00+, $90.00+, $90.00+, $90.00+.

After a quick google :D

There's a difference between what someone charges and what they get paid.

Even using the ridiculous example, neurosurgeons don't have to pay for the hospital or the equipment.

Some day, when your old enough and you have to pay for an electrician or a plumber, you might remember this thread and facepalm yourself.

NMB · 28-01-2015 11:32PM

Uh Huh - that's it

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:34PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There's a difference between what someone charges and what they get paid.

Even using the ridiculous example, neurosurgeons don't have to pay for the hospital or the equipment.

Some day, when your old enough and you have to pay for an electrician or a plumber, you might remember this thread and facepalm yourself.

funny that i see alot of personal trainers using public gyms, so ehh lemme see 80-5 = 75 into the pocket damn the struggle is real!

And even if they had to pay for there own stuff.. 80 euros an hour.. if they do 9-10 hours wtf are they paying for ? gold coated dumbells? random hot chicks walking around making there clients feel comfortable???

NMB · 28-01-2015 11:38PM

Make a living - but work hard and deserve the pay. That will let you get up in the morning and go to heaven at the same time.
NMB

Alf Veedersane · 28-01-2015 11:39PM

evo2000 wrote: »

funny that i see alot of personal trainers using public gyms, so ehh lemme see 80-5 = 75 into the pocket damn the struggle is real!

The plumber out the back fixing the heating gets more.

In all the gyms you apparently use.

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:41PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The plumber out the back fixing the heating gets more.

In all the gyms you apparently use.

Say what? sense can you make it?!

Alf Veedersane · 28-01-2015 11:42PM

evo2000 wrote: »

And even if they had to pay for there own stuff.. 80 euros an hour.. if they do 9-10 hours wtf are they paying for ? gold coated dumbells? random hot chicks walking around making there clients feel comfortable???

Yes.

And more.

Chocolate digestives in the kitchen.

evo2000 · 28-01-2015 11:43PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Yes.

And more.

Chocolate digestives in the kitchen.

How many digestives are you being paid to defend there honor?!

Your the first to go for the pitch fork when anyone questions PTs

Alf Veedersane · 28-01-2015 11:43PM

evo2000 wrote: »

Say what? sense can you make it?!

Manuel?

Alf Veedersane · 28-01-2015 11:46PM

evo2000 wrote: »

How many digestives are you being paid to defend there honor?!

Your the first to go for the pitch fork when anyone questions PTs

3.

Mr. CooL ICE · 29-01-2015 12:05AM

What can a Ferrari do that a scobed-up Honda Civic couldn't?

NFH · 29-01-2015 12:32AM

Why do you want to be a personal trainer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ6_t0DUXZo

Essien · 29-01-2015 08:39AM

Supply and demand equilibrium ftw.

Darkest Horse · 29-01-2015 09:57AM

I think €80 is a lot for a trainer and is probably over the odds as cheaper, equally good, or better, solutions can no doubt be found by a consumer. Somebody described it as extortion but there is nobody holding a gun to anyone's head to pay it. We live in a free market and if €80 is what he can get well why not get it? What obligation has he got to any of you to charge less than he is? Should he apologise and decrease his prices as a result?

walshb · 29-01-2015 10:02AM

80 EURO per hour is extortion, assuming it's per hour? But, as said, nobody is forcing anyone to part with that. If people have that sort of cash and are willing to pay it then best of luck to Karl.

Essien · 29-01-2015 10:12AM

walshb wrote: »

80 EURO per hour is extortion

The same could be said about €100k for a sports car or €80M for a professional footballer.

At the end of the day, whoever is paying it has done some form of cost benefit analysis and decided that the cost is worth the benefit.

If Transform, Karl Henry (or any other PT for that matter) is currently operating at capacity he would be an idiot to charge any less.

Edit: I'm not picking on walshb here in particular, considering the rest of the post I quoted.

Useless Operation Transformation Trainer (Karl Henry)

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