Useless Operation Transformation Trainer (Karl Henry)

Precious flower

evo2000 wrote: »

Karl henry is abit stupid after that, if the lad was doing an extra bit of running and felt up to it fair play, id say something if he was ignoring the trainer altogether or not training atall,

Typical trainer ego only a fool would put someone down for trying to work harder instead of directing there attempts and encouraging it

Have you been reading the comments? It has been stated several times that the guy had a suspected damaged hamstring and that they were concerned that extra strain would make the injury worse. There is a reason they draw up detailed exercise plans like this especially for people who are overweight. You don't run before you walk. Baby steps have to be taken or else at the weight he is he could be putting unnecessary strain on his heart, lungs and limbs. It's good that he is motivated but he has to follow the plan strictly to ensure he does not overtax himself which could lead to health complications and injuries especially at his weight. Slow and steady is better. You have to build up your fitness however tempting it might be to run full force into it that will only lead to failure and injury.

NFH

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NFH

Precious flower wrote: »

Have you been reading the comments? It has been stated several times that the guy had a suspected damaged hamstring and that they were concerned that extra strain would make the injury worse. There is a reason they draw up detailed exercise plans like this especially for people who are overweight. You don't run before you walk. Baby steps have to be taken or else at the weight he is he could be putting unnecessary strain on his heart, lungs and limbs. It's good that he is motivated but he has to follow the plan strictly to ensure he does not overtax himself which could lead to health complications and injuries especially at his weight. Slow and steady is better. You have to build up your fitness however tempting it might be to run full force into it that will only lead to failure and injury.

Come on, only briefly mentioned the hamstring! He was more worried about his damaged ego and the fact that his authority and expertise as personal trainer was being "undermined". I agree with what you are saying but this lad was not giving out to him because of possible damage etc

Alf Veedersane

NFH wrote: »

Come on, only briefly mentioned the hamstring! He was more worried about his damaged ego and the fact that his authority and expertise as personal trainer was being "undermined". I agree with what you are saying but this lad was not giving out to him because of possible damage etc

The lad himself had mentioned early in the piece about him, i.e. that he was worried that his hamstring injury might have meant he wouldn't be able to exercise.

Alf Veedersane

evo2000 wrote: »

Karl henry is abit stupid after that, if the lad was doing an extra bit of running and felt up to it fair play, id say something if he was ignoring the trainer altogether or not training atall,

Typical trainer ego only a fool would put someone down for trying to work harder instead of directing there attempts and encouraging it

I know it said I should only be deadlifting 90kgs this week but I said I'd try and lift 150kg.

I lost 4 pounds!!!!111!!!

I hope ,my snapped up sh*t is ok next week.

Precious flower

NFH wrote: »

Come on, only briefly mentioned the hamstring! He was more worried about his damaged ego and the fact that his authority and expertise as personal trainer was being "undermined". I agree with what you are saying but this lad was not giving out to him because of possible damage etc

Even if the damaged hamstring was a side note staying within the exercise plan is important. It has nothing to do with his ego. At that man's weight taking on additional exercise is counter productive and unsafe. They don't just pluck these plans out of thin air, they are tailored to the fitness levels capabilities of the participant. Pushing himself too much too fast will lead to injury and failure. Taking baby steps is key. However, I did not watch the exchange but I well believe that was the reason then the trainer's alleged ego.

nice_guy80

I really wonder about people who go on the likes of this show

They want to turn their lives around.
But yet aren't prepared to put in the effort beforehand.

So many people actually let themselves go for most of the year with the excuse that they can go on the weight loss and fitness buzz in the new year.

evo2000

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I know it said I should only be deadlifting 90kgs this week but I said I'd try and lift 150kg.

I lost 4 pounds!!!!111!!!

I hope ,my snapped up sh*t is ok next week.

Because thats comparable to abit of extra running... good one.. NOT!

Precious flower

evo2000 wrote: »

Because thats comparable to abit of extra running... good one.. NOT!

For a man at his weight, running would be a considerable strain. Do you not realise that? They are out of breath just using water bottles as weights or walking. If he pushes himself too soon he will injure himself or put unnecessary strain on his joints that is the point we're trying to make. These exercise regimes are tailored to them for a reason.

evo2000

Precious flower wrote: »

For a man at his weight, running would be a considerable strain. Do you not realise that? They are out of breath just using water bottles as weights or walking. If he pushes himself too soon he will injure himself or put unnecessary strain on his joints that is the point we're trying to make. These exercise regimes are tailored to them for a reason.

Do you realise that

"I know it said I should only be deadlifting 90kgs this week but I said I'd try and lift 150kg."

and

"Abit of extra running"

Are not comparable

I realise what your saying, what i disagree with is the way in which the trainer handled it was absolute ****e

The big lad went running with the right intentions no matter how wrong he was to go off the plan abit

Precious flower

evo2000 wrote: »

Do you realise that

I know it said I should only be deadlifting 90kgs this week but I said I'd try and lift 150kg.

compared to

Abit of extra running

Are not comparable

I realise what your saying, what i disagree with is the way in which the trainer handled it was absolute ****e

The big lad went running with the right intentions no matter how wrong he was.

But it's not just "an extra bit of running" and it is comparable to a person moving up in weights too soon, it's an invitation for injury and unnecessary strain. You can't just jump from doing zero exercise to going for a run, it simply doesn't work like that. These things have to be built up to and that is way he's following an exercise plan pure and simple. It's good that he is motivated to exercise but sticking to the plan and taking baby steps is the most effective strategy. If he rushes into strenuous exercise before he is fully able he could end up with an injury and be unable to properly exercise for weeks especially if the contestant has expressed concern that his hamstring injury might act up again.

evo2000

Precious flower wrote: »

But it's not just "an extra bit of running" and it is comparable to a person moving up in weights too soon, it's an invitation for injury and unnecessary strain. You can't just jump from doing zero exercise to going for a run, it simply doesn't work like that. These things have to be built up to and that is way he's following an exercise plan pure and simple. It's good that he is motivated to exercise but sticking to the plan and taking baby steps is the most effective strategy. If he rushes into strenuous exercise before he is fully able he could end up with an injury and be unable to properly exercise for weeks especially if the contestant has expressed concern that his hamstring injury might act up again.

Im pretty sure a person that randomly jumped from 90- 150kg would be alot more ****ed up than a lad that went out and did abit of extra running i mean he didnt do a triathlon or anything and he was still standing for the weighns so obviously he must been alright and his running must not have been that hectic!

going from 90kg to 150kg is not the same as abit of running which is what the lad did dont make into something its not

Again my point is the way the trainer handled it was ridiculous pure ego trip, not with the workout itself i dont disagree with the risks of someone running before they can walk as u put it.

Precious flower

evo2000 wrote: »

Im pretty sure a person that randomly jumped from 90- 150kg would be alot more ****ed up than a lad that went out and did abit of extra running i mean he didnt do a triathlon or anything and he was still standing for the weighns so obviously he must been alright and his running must not have been that hectic!

going from 90kg to 150kg is not the same as abit of running which is what the lad did dont make into something its not

Again my point is the way the trainer handled it was ridiculous pure ego trip, not with the workout itself i dont disagree with the risks of someone running before they can walk as u put it.

Still, moving up weights (of course not as extreme as the example) is still unwise when you can barely do x amount of reps with the weight you have. I just watched the scene there and it was fairly obvious that despite advice given to him about his hamstring injury (which it was stated that Karl had devised a careful plan to nurse it back to full strength) he went on a jog/walk that was inadvisable because he seriously risked doing further damage to it which could leave him unable to exercise for weeks. Prior to that there was a scene of him lifting weights which he admitted were too heavy for him and too much.

Clearly, eager to see results and to really work at it when told to do "x" amount of exercise he went off and did above and beyond that thinking it was better when in fact it isn't. It needs to be made clear in no uncertain terms that the plan is what needs to be followed especially when the risk of injury is high and I suppose that is what the trainer was making clear. If he did more than what was on the plan he risked injury and would he would be forfeiting the race at the end. However, I agree from watching it he could have gone into his reason for being annoyed more thoroughly and more politely so that he is still encouraging him and praising him for being motivated but making it clear why the plan is there.

Alf Veedersane

evo2000 wrote: »

Because thats comparable to abit of extra running... good one.. NOT!

You and your other personality are terrible at trolling.

groovyg

NFH wrote: »

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I shouldn't have clicked on that link !! more delusional comments from posters, one such comment was this

I love that operation transformation really encourages the nation to get up and get moving but I hate that it focuses on weight loss, rather than fat loss and muscle gain ... Making the contestants feel bad for 'only' losing 2lbs ect when at this stage they would be gaining a lot of muscle....what annoys me more is they use a tanita machine which gives you all the readings you need..and no need for guilt trips like that from the trainer #rantover

the contestants are gaining a lot muscle :

evo2000

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You and your other personality are terrible at trolling.

Trolling ? more like pointing out how dumb your comparison was, laughable to say the least !

Oryx

Less backseat modding and sniping please guys

conzy

http://www.henryfitnesscentre.com/general-articles/six-week-eating-plan-46

jesus wept..

1)Eat this 600-800 calorie a day diet with minimal protein and fibre for 6 weeks,
2)try and figure out what the fúck "Clear Consommé Soup" is
3)give up

Seeing these kinds of "fitness gurus" getting mainstream media coverage sickens my mickey.. On this very forum there are trainers like COH, Hanley and Transform (who's website is an awesome resource) who are top class and can only dream of that kind of exposure...

And finally does he even lift

Minimal protein? I duno day 2 looks bad but the rest has protein in lunch and dinner
breast of chicken for lunch, loads of fish for dinner
large tin of tuna lunch, breast of chicken dinner
cottage cheese lunch, 340g beef dinner (which is 500-700 cals on its own isn't it?)

conzy

Some days are as little as 50g of protein, its an extremely low fat diet, and the calories are way too low even for a 50kg woman

Its a one size fits all "6 week" eating plan, There are so many things wrong with it

papu

That's allot of Hot Water and Freshly Squeezed Lemon

Yeah I dont like the low fat bit at all

Essien

conzy wrote: »

http://www.henryfitnesscentre.com/general-articles/six-week-eating-plan-46

jesus wept..

1)Eat this 600-800 calorie a day diet with minimal protein and fibre for 6 weeks,
2)try and figure out what the fúck "Clear Consommé Soup" is
3)give up

Seeing these kinds of "fitness gurus" getting mainstream media coverage sickens my mickey.. On this very forum there are trainers like COH, Hanley and Transform (who's website is an awesome resource) who are top class and can only dream of that kind of exposure...

And finally does he even lift

Eh, you're grand Karl, thanks. I'll just have a plate of dust and a small glass of misery of you don't mind.

evo2000

conzy wrote: »

http://www.henryfitnesscentre.com/general-articles/six-week-eating-plan-46

jesus wept..

1)Eat this 600-800 calorie a day diet with minimal protein and fibre for 6 weeks,
2)try and figure out what the fúck "Clear Consommé Soup" is
3)give up

Seeing these kinds of "fitness gurus" getting mainstream media coverage sickens my mickey.. On this very forum there are trainers like COH, Hanley and Transform (who's website is an awesome resource) who are top class and can only dream of that kind of exposure...

And finally does he even lift

They should call that the concentration camp diet! warped with the hunger ud be lol

Magenta

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah I dont like the low fat bit at all

FAT MAKES YOU FAT THOUGH!!!!!!!!!11eleven

Transform

conzy wrote: »

http://www.henryfitnesscentre.com/general-articles/six-week-eating-plan-46

jesus wept..

1)Eat this 600-800 calorie a day diet with minimal protein and fibre for 6 weeks,
2)try and figure out what the fúck "Clear Consommé Soup" is
3)give up

Seeing these kinds of "fitness gurus" getting mainstream media coverage sickens my mickey.. On this very forum there are trainers like COH, Hanley and Transform (who's website is an awesome resource) who are top class and can only dream of that kind of exposure...

And finally does he even lift

my two cents -

Karl is an extremely nice guy but his methods of training are very dated and im not convinced with the arguement that he has to "tone things down" for the masses.

Ive done screen tests for this show twice now so im not sure what they're looking for as havent had my ugly mug on that show once - face for radio maybe.

The problem is in his delivery - he made a mess of it also with a lady that dropped 11lbs the first week then 1.5lbs the following week and told her if she wasnt really killing herself in her sessions then shes wasting her time - baffling, when most of these people could lose a pile of weight each week with some light walking, foam rolling, mobility work and use a nutrition approach thats half way sensible (their nutrition approach is full of holes).

To be fair the show almost purposfully picks people that can be good for tv (like big brother) and has a complete over emphasis on running which is crazy considering you're dealing with high risk people to begin with

overall, as my philosophy teacher would say when faced with a situation or person that just wont change when change is badly needed - its a pity

nice_guy80

its a tv show

they carefully screen the participants
they want people who will create dramatic moments

just think of the people who watch this show for inspiration. jeasus wept

JayRoc

NFH wrote: »

And how does it take a lot of time to make up a flippin training plan, eat this and do this blah blah blah, the hard part is doin that damn work and if hes gettin the results then give him the encouragement he deserves!

Karl Henry doesn't have a rashers what he's doing and seems to want to be a Paddy version of Jillian Michaels, and is perfectly happy to sacrifice any professional credibility that he might possibly have had for TV exposure, along with every other "expert" appearing on Operation Transformation...BUT...

That doesn't change the fact that writing an individual program for someone is difficult, time-consuming, and in my experience way, way more hassle than it pays.

JJayoo

Karl is a beast

Magenta

Transform wrote: »

complete over emphasis on running which is crazy considering you're dealing with high risk people to begin with

+1000. I'm no PT but anyone with a basic knowledge of fitness knows that a 26 stone man jogging is going to be putting a lot of unneccessary pressure on his joints which is silly when there's several other types of cardio that would be just as beneficial to him for weight loss. He should be on an elleptical or bike but sure they have that all important 5K to train for........

nice_guy80 wrote: »

just think of the people who watch this show for inspiration. jeasus wept

The Facebook page makes me cringe sometimes. Not the posts by OT, but the comments from some people- this show is literally their bible for weight loss and they can't or won't educate themselves any further.