Useless Operation Transformation Trainer (Karl Henry)

LuckyLloyd

walshb wrote: »

I don't need to see anything else. Training and personal trainers. The clue is in the title. It's personal. I don't care who uses the gym. I use it and I get excellent value.

As to your figures. 90 + percent of the members only utilize the gym a handful of times per year? I would disagree there. Disagree as regards the big gyms I have been a member of. They have always been fairly active and busy. Unless there membership is astronomical then I would say your figure is well off the mark. Most of these gyms are open 14-16 hrs per day. Most people probably spend between 60-90 minutes there. That's a lot of groupings and time intervals.

BTW, I would view 2 or less visits per week as not utilizing your membership. That is about 100 visits per year from a possible 363 or so available days. You seem to be implying that 90 percent of the members are going a lot lot less than 100 times in a year. I assume a handful to me is the same as to you. Say 10-15 times per year?

Yes. I would assume that ~90% of the membership of a Ben Dunne like gym average 10 - 15 trips to the gym per year. The business model is based on that being true.

walshb

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Yes. I would assume that ~90% of the membership of a Ben Dunne like gym average 10 - 15 trips to the gym per year. The business model is based on that being true.

That, if true is dreadful.

ashling1973

I joined a gym just after Christmas. Great intentions... 3 visits. Luckily only joined for 3 months

Hanley

It's ironic that people get the least use out of the cheap option, and the most use out of the expensive.

Gummy Panda

Hanley wrote: »

It's ironic that people get the least use out of the cheap option, and the most use out of the expensive.

Cheap option isn't valued as much.

evo2000

COH wrote: »

People will spend as little as possible on their health... but they will spend 5euro a day on coffee, 8 euro a day on bad lunches, 30 quid for a few drinks after work on a Friday, 10 euro a day on cigarettes, 15 a week on the odd take away... add that up as a yearly number for the majority of your adult life then see where spending a few quid on a good coach fits in in the grand scheme of things. Then all of a sudden when thin6gs start breaking down the same people don't bat an eyelid at paying 60euro for a 5 minute meeting with a GP to get a referral for a 300euro consult with a heart surgeon, thousands on operations, hundreds on medication, thousands on health insurance, then whatever else it takes to fight their way back into the light. When in the meantime the same financial investment could have had them doing spectacular feats of physical achievements, living pain free, being sick less often, not dying younger, being happier, more confident, more productive etc etc etc. Yeah - 80e for a coach, rip off :rolleyes:

Others like to know that the person they are investing their physical well-being are top of the food chain.. that they walk the walk and for the most part spend a good portion of their spare time investing whetever is left after the cost of living, rent to the gym they work out of (no this isn't 5 euro per session jesus christ), taxes and the billion other day to charges in finding ways to offer a better service to their clients.

Quantify it this way. The 'standard' average PT rate in Dublin is probably in the region of 40 an hour. Assume the majority lose up to half that in in-house charges (rent etc) then pay tax on the rest. They probably do a 15 hour work day to train 4 people if they are lucky. I read last year the average personal trainers take home income is 12k per annum and the majority live at home! That's what any old idiot with a weekend cert 'can' charge. You're trying to tell me that someone with a decades experience, huge knowledge base, industry specificity, charisma and a proven track record of excellence isn't worth twice what the weekend cert guy charges? 'Well if my mate makes 20 quid a game playing up front for UCD's reserve team then Ronaldo only deserves 40 quid for offering the same thing for Real Madrid because f*ck it anyone can kick a ball'.

If you don't value the service then the service isn't for you. It doesn't matter if you agree with or not and while you are entitled to your opinion you should be aware that value is an individual thing 100% of the time. That's fine - no judgement here.

I will say this though - I have worked in the fitness industry since 2007/8 and in all that time I've met less than ten people out of 100s if not 1000s of 'industry professionals' in the entire country who I would trust to train my clients and each of them are 'worth' whatever it is they decide they charge and probably more.

They'll get you more in less time. 'But I just google everything and I'm 11% bodyfat and can bench 100kg so why would I need a coach?'...

Because the good ones will get you to 9% and have you doing things with your body and your life that you can't even quantify as possible on your own.

Karl Henry isn't one of them though

Anyway - that's all I'm willing to contribute to this train wreck.

Thats excellent amount of waffle, but what is it they do that justifys the 80 euro price? Are you saying you re the Ronaldo of PTs? are you comparing the skill and effort to being a good PT to that of ronaldo? lol

Lets get this straight now and cut the bull****, Anyone can be a PT, you can only show someone how to do a push up so good, if im showing someone how to do a correct push up the same as you, yet im charging lets say half ur price, whats you re excuse?

Lets not forget people can get fit without PTs they arent even an necessity, so to see people over exaggerate there importance on here and try to justify such sickening prices so much so to make em seem normal is ridiculous!

80 Euro s a hour is a bull**** extortionate price, for the service these so called pro PTs that like to sell intangibles...

I call bull**** on these prices! a fair price for a fair service and 80 euro is far from that!

Transform

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You the man who trains the neurosurgeons?

Take a bow

Transform

evo2000 wrote: »

Thats excellent amount of waffle, but what is it they do that justifys the 80 euro price? Are you saying you re the Ronaldo of PTs? are you comparing the skill and effort to being a good PT to that of ronaldo? lol

Lets get this straight now and cut the bull****, Anyone can be a PT, you can only show someone how to do a push up so good, if im showing someone how to do a correct push up the same as you, yet im charging lets say half ur price, whats you re excuse?

Lets not forget people can get fit without PTs they arent even an necessity, so to see people over exaggerate there importance on here and try to justify such sickening prices so much so to make em seem normal is ridiculous!

80 Euro s a hour is a bull**** extortionate price, for the service these so called pro PTs that like to sell intangibles...

I call bull**** on these prices! a fair price for a fair service and 80 euro is far from that!

I've booked in two clients on the back of this so far

Keep going please

I'm too long in this game to enter into price arguments when I'm booked solid all the time

evo2000

Transform wrote: »

I've booked in two clients on the back of this so far

Keep going please

I'm too long in this game to enter into price arguments when I'm booked solid all the time

Fair play to you man, im not begrudging you at all, if people have more money than sense lol

Doesnt mean im gonna agree and say the bull**** prices are right lol id say you do be laughin all the way to the bank after a session lol

Brian?

evo2000 wrote: »

Fair play to you man, im not begrudging you at all, if people have more money than sense lol

Doesnt mean im gonna agree and say the bull**** prices are right lol id say you do be laughin all the way to the bank after a session lol

Mod note: you've made your point. Can you leave it there please.

evo2000

Brian? wrote: »

Mod note: you've made your point. Can you leave it there please.

No prob good sir, im just replying to the people that reply to me be ruude not to!

Transform

evo2000 wrote: »

Fair play to you man, im not begrudging you at all, if people have more money than sense lol

Doesnt mean im gonna agree and say the bull**** prices are right lol id say you do be laughin all the way to the bank after a session lol

Wow like I'm sitting there counting my cash instead if thinking about the million other things I have to do once that single session is over

Yup being a trainer is easy - simply charge way more

Here's what I think is taking the piss -

- bootcamp classes that beast people for an hour and calling that training

- trainers in gyms that get clients to perform movements way beyond their ability just because its cool

- physios that claim everything is a core or glute activation problem

- trainers that have no clients over the age of 60yrs or a pregnant client(s) - good indicator they really know their sh1t because you're typucslly dealing with multiple issues

- bs Ebooks and 6-12week transformation programs bought online that offer nothing more than a bastardised version of p90x or insanity training

Your paying for the direct answer sometimes not the round about way

evo2000

Transform wrote: »

Wow like I'm sitting there counting my cash instead if thinking about the million other things I have to do once that single session is over

Yup being a trainer is easy - simply charge way more

Here's what I think is taking the piss -

- bootcamp classes that beast people for an hour and calling that training

- trainers in gyms that get clients to perform movements way beyond their ability just because its cool

- physios that claim everything is a core or glute activation problem

- trainers that have no clients over the age of 60yrs or a pregnant client(s) - good indicator they really know their sh1t because you're typucslly dealing with multiple issues

Your paying for the direct answer sometimes not the round about way

Im not allowed discuss further due to the admin above we ll just have to agree to dis agree on certain things

but I do agree with a good bit u said there but, had another point but ill leave it!